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Nope. you'll have to buy a separate copy.

 

Cheers for the heads up on this! I've been keeping an eye on the 256GB version of the M4 but this price is making me want to double down! Think I may get one for me and one for my dad for a combo Father's/Grandfather's Day.

 

80% is the "value" but really, that is true for spinning too. When *ANY* HDD gets close to filled, it is a problem (though the REASON that a spinning disk and an SSD are COMPLETELY (seriously, *C* *O* *M* *P* *L* *E* *T* *L* *Y*) different reasons) should never be totally filled.

Another lesson for you "experts" on SSD:
SLC vs MLC:
SLC is a single value per cell. MLC is 4 values per cell.

... There are 4 values that an MLC can have because it is ENCODING 2 bits. SO, though there is a 00, 01, 10, 11 per cell, there is ALSO 4x the chance of a physical issue coming into play and f-ing us up for those 2 bits. (THIS IS WHY SLC IS "BETTER" THAN MLC AND ALSO WHY SLC IS MORE $ THAN MLC) So with MLC, we get the ADVANTAGE of 2 bits per (metaphorically speaking) BAUD, but also have more values that it needs to accurately decode the value, so more "fragile."

The ERASE (not to be confused with an OS file system "delete") is the "thing" that can only be done so many times on an SSD. SLC rated about 100k write cycles and MLC is about 10k.


Now MLC and SLC are close (not order of magnitude, anyway) performance-wise, so the cost benefits are no-brainer when you get into consumer-level stuff.
SLC vs. MLC : Solid State Drive Buyer's Guide

good quote:
"Fortunately, SSDs don’t write to the same block over and over. The drive controllers use “wear leveling” to distribute the programming cycle load evenly across the drive’s million’s of NAND memory cells. An 8Gb NAND die with 4,096 blocks, if perfectly leveled, wouldn’t start exceeding its 10,000 cycle mark for 75 years. This is why having a controller with good wear leveling algorithms is so important. Moreover, the more cells are in a drive, the more real estate there is for wear leveling. This is why there’s a nearly linear relationship between SSD capacity and drive endurance. Wear is also why enterprises have historically gravitated to SLC drives. The extra performance is good, but large corporations are positively phobic about the possibility of premature failure."


Blather, blather. SSDs are NOT the same as HDDs, and so I would REALLY, *REALLY* recommend not applying "knowledge" of HDDs to the Flash (SSD) arena. Really. Seriously.

(Not kidding)

 

by the "feel" i meant the plastic textured case finish or whatever it is exactly not sure.

thanks for the response.

 

You are probably the best guy with less than 10 posts at getting rep I have ever seen. Have some from me, too.

I'm not actually 100% sure anymore that their texture isn't identical. But don't quote me on that.

 

So if I fill it 80 percent then it shouldn't take a noticeable performance hit ? That's really what I want to know ha. Thanks though plus rep

 

Unless you plan on using yourmachine as the server/disk for part of some crazy Internet database (and lots of writing on that db too) you are never ever going to really have issues even at 98% full... but have you ever filled ANY drive that much?? After 80% (-ish) you could possibly see performance start to degrade iff you were using iometer or something but as a notebook with a jet engine harddrive losing 1-5% performance compared to the steam locomotive it replaced? SERIOUSLY? Ignore the "I read this article in "PCMag.com about ssd ..." advice. You treat it the same. Only much better. MUCH.

 

Sweet I'll be filling it to 85 to 90 percent then, leave a good 15-20GB just in case trim or page file needs it idk the engineering of it but a few GB free probably helps. Thanks a ton

 

sounds a little high, my 2920xm @ 4ghz and 85w tdp would just about reach 90c in prime on a p170hm and as far as I'm aware p150em uses the same heatsinks. What method did you use to repaste? I used to do a very thin spread as advised many times by people on teh intewebs and get ok temps, - then one time i tried to use the line method and my temps were far lower, despite the excess paste.

 

Regarding folding, every time I see someone mention it with these laptops the CPU seems very hot. I'd definitely tilt up the back a bit and make sure your fans aren't dirty before doing any folding. What a shame jet mode was removed.

 

My 9150 is brand new

 

I keep hearing this term "folding" does that mean closing your laptop lid and keep it running on an external monitor.. or what exactly.

i'm new to the laptop scene .

 

This is what is meant by folding

Folding@home - HomePage

Folding@home - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

My OCZ Vertex 256gb has been 75 per cent full for 4 years with daily use and still running. Time to change it soon. But no issues yet

 

So has the performance of the vertex decreased ? Test it and compare to stock speeds ? I want to run mine 80 percent full. Its only for games and windows 7 and MS office . and I'll cycle through most games I only play a few at a time so my 256 should be OK. I plan on throwing another msata 256 in a few months when those prices drop.

 

For day to day use it starts up faster now than with Windows Vista and I've never really noticed a dip in performance. I'd benchmark it but I have no origionally base line for my drive to compare it to as I never benchmarked when new. It is getting old now though so a nice Vertex 4 or revo drive is next for my desktop.

 

you dont really need to worry about killing your ssds from filling it up to much. it not going to happen sure you may be writing to the same potion of the drive alot but you are never in normal circumstances going to use up all of the cycles before you upgrade it where that be even 4 years from now. i have a 120gig sd in my desktop and it generally only has about 3gig free and still runs very fast

 

You can read indefinitely. READ performance is the same (awesomeness) at 100% full. AND read does not wear out the drive (or cells). AND there is no variability in seek, so fragmentation doesn't matter at all. Since most of what a typical user does is read, performance is not going to be degraded. EVEN at close to full, unless you have an application that is doing a ton of writes (not too common) you won't notice. don't sweat the 80% full. unless you are some sort of corner case user, you are never going to notice a thing.

Also, "...sure you may be writing to the same potion of the drive alot...." is not true. SSDs are written to like a lazy-susan. They write along the cells in one "direction" and don't go back to the same cell again until the end of the drive is reached and it loops to the start again. This is part of the management controller feature called "wear-leveling."

Finally, think about a traditional drive... at 90-95% full, it starts to really be a dog. the reason for that is different (seek time, fragmentation, etc) than the reason for flash (write amplification) -- and read suffers on a traditional drive where write is what suffers on a nearly full SSD. You are using your machine much much more for read than write.

 

Hey guys! I am going to order a sager np9150 and i have a question. A friend of mine told me that if i have HDD and SSD on the 9150 i wont have the cd-rom and that i cant download games with discs im pretty sure that this isnt correct, but i just wanna make sure that tgis isnt the case

 

Hey guys, two quick questions:

I am trying to decide between a Sager NP9150 w/Radeon HD 7970m and an MSI GT600NC-004US w/GTX 670m. I really like the details of the MSI-keyboard, turbo fan, etc. But I know that the 7970 is a better card. What should I do?

Second is, regardless of what computer I get, how important is it to get a SSD? And how much should it hold?

Thanks in advance

 

The 9150 has 2.5" SATAIII slot (you can put either an SSD or HDD in here) and one mSATA slot (an mSATA SSD goes here). If you replace the cd-drive with a caddy, you can have a standard HDD, an mSATA SSD, and a standard SSD.
mSATA SSDs are not as fast as the standard ones.
What a lot of people do is put a standard-sized SSD in the hard drive bay in the laptop and put the hard drive in the caddy(replacing the cd-drive). If they need to use a cd-drive, they use an external drive.

Buying an external cd-drive is an option. These cost around 20-30 dollars.

 

Alright guys, I got a review up if you want to read it thread's in the forum.

 

the keyboard on the clevo is very similar to the keyboard on the msi so that should not be an issue. as for the 7970m it is probably about twice as fast as the gtx 670 i don't know exactly thought. but i have bought a the p150em with the 7970m as it is well worth the extra $200~

SSDs use less power than hard drives which can help battery life and they are much much quicker. boot up times are around 20 seconds depending on bios, windows root is virtually no existence and they just make a computer so much more responsive as generally a hard drive is a computers biggest bottleneck.

if you buy one, i would go from something around 240gb. i have 120gig ssd and its just not big enough. but it all depends on your needs.

 

Hi guys
Im trying to decide whether to get the NP9150 or the NP9130.

Ill be getting them with the same specs and everything so im wondering do you think its worth the extra 100 or so for the lightup keyboard?
And how is the rubberized finish on the NP9150?


Thanks

 

Lol. "Folding@home is powered by the idle processing resources of thousands of volunteered personal computers and PlayStation 3s." Sure seems power hungry for being a background task.

Um... Not sure what to say here...

The keyboards are practically identical. Get the P150EM. Then again, what exactly did you expect to be told in the P150EM owner's lounge?

It's actually at least $50 more than that, and you also get a better power supply. This should be on the general Sager/Clevo forum, though.

 

Sorry im kinda new off to the general forum then.

 

That's OK, you'll learn soon.

 

hi so i am pretty much sold on the np9150

few questions tho about customizing it

1. the 7970 vs 675... is it worth it for me?

im going to be at university next year and will be using laptop for lots of coding, gaming, etc computer science major but i doubt it will be hardcore 3d stuff
im trying to justify the $200 but im not very experienced with graphics cards
games i play are just like some mmo's some rts and fps

2. secondly if i get 7970 (or not) will 1333mhz ram bottleneck it at all or should i stick with 1600?

3. third.. the msata ssd would that be just for OS or what?
also i dont really use that much hard drive space and i clean out old files regularly
would money be better spent
+130 for 40GB Intel 310 Series mSATA SSD
or +140 120gb Intel 520 Series Solid State Drive (SSD2 Serial-ATA III) as primary hard drive

ordering from xoticpc

thanks for the help

 

1. sounds like you're not that much into graphics intense games, therefore, 675m. it will last you a long while, unless you decide on seeking the latest and most gpu using games.

2. 1333mhz is fine. the difference is barely noticable for the casual user.

3. msata's are more expensive now than the ssd's, price per gig wise. people who go for a msata would put their primary os on it and use the extra bay for a storage drive. for me, 40gb as a primary drive is definitely not enough, I would barely make 100gb work. I'd go with the larger capacity option.

good luck on your purchase

 

It basically just runs at low priority.

 

Is the layout the same as the stock keyboard? Are the Fn+Fx keys located in different spots? Can you post a picture of the new keyboard?

 

The layout is the same, but the FN keys are relocated (visually that is).

Here is the stock Clevo keyboard above with the steelseries beneath.

Spoiler

the steelseries in the Clevo P150EM in action:

Spoiler

Enjoy

 

But do the new fn keys that are printed on the steel series work as they are printed? Or do you have to remember the stock layout of the sager keys?

 

You have to remember the stock layout or manually change them.

Manually changing them isn't the easiest thing in the world either.
Mystery of the Fn key - A guide to remapping the Fn key in Windows

 

Yes sadly..

 

It seems from the pics posted that the backlights work when one installs the steel series keyboard in the NP9150. IS THIS TRUE? I will definitely buy one if the only issue is making it fit into the notebook.

 

If you buy the np9150 with the steel series is this still an issue? Why would they ship something that doesn't function as labeled from the factory? I just want the fn key combos in a different location!

 

Sadly, yes. I think the layout on the Steelseries is much, much better too.
Whoever put the sleep button by the mute AND volume buttons on the Sager needs to be fired right now. It's bad enough that it's by one of them.

Yes, but Sager's software is a little limiting with the back lighting options. It's not too bad, I think.

 

Hey guys so I have come to the conclusion that the speakers in this laptop are subpar. As the reviews have said as well. So I was thinking of putting the speakers from the m14x in the sager np9150! Would i have driver issues or power issues by doing so? I wanted to use the m17x speakers but there speaker unit is too big. I could literally pop in the ones from the m14x with minor modifications. Also I owned the alienware m14x and the speakers were amazing! I hope this can work because I am definitly excited about this project!

 

Hi I have questions about the mSATA caching drive and the hd drive. I have the 750gb hd 7200rpm and 32gb mSATA for caching. To open programs much faster should the programs be installed in the remaining space in the mSATA or it wouldnt matter if I installed them in the hdd and they would open the same speed when I install them in the mSATA?

 

@gtlicup162
You might want to just install it as a caching drive. I say that just becausae of the size. It is very easy to fill up 32gb msata ssd and once you reach 80% or more you start to experience a very slow pc. I would say if you go that small to definately cache it. If you go 64gb or higher than set it up as your primiary and install your os and your favorite video game.

 

sooooooooooooooo what is the deal with this gtx 680m that is supposedly shipping from origin now?

they show the 675m as a $175 upgrade, 7970 as a $238 upgrade, and the 680m as a $524 upgrade. Tha shi cray. It must be 3 times as fast as the 7970 at that price. Who's got one?

 

It's grossly overpriced.

 

1) It's only $100 from the 675m, but if you're not doing intense gaming, it's not worth it.

2) It will make no difference.

3) Just get a normal SSD if you don't need space, it's much faster.

Yes, they work. Why else would they be on in the pic?

Sounds cool, let us know if it works and how the difference is. And maybe make a video

32GB is small, just use it all for caching.

Apparently you've never bought Nvidia before, the 580m was like 2x as much as the 6990m and yet they performed equally.

I'm quite sure that chart is bogus. The 680m is 30% faster than the 570m, not the 7970m. Also, it's drawn in a way that makes the 680m look twice as good as the 7970m, while even if it was 30% faster it shouldn't look like that.

 

So basically I see 10-20% faster in most cases and nearly 30% faster in the best case. Only other thing to think about is the maturity of Optimus vs Enduro.

 

These charts are even more skewed than the AMD ones lol. Nvidia tsk tsk ....

 

I like how they made the chart look like the performance is twice as much for the GTX 680m in BF3 the gtx 680m only performs 5% better, which is why I'm not canceling my 7970m NP9150 order just to pay $250 more to get 5% better performance on the only game I care about performance wise.

10-30 % better performace for 200% more cost.

 

Hi Guys, I have big question for those who had or has Clevo/ Sager...I am planning on my next laptop...I am heavy gamer and CAD, 3D programs and simulation software ..and I am lost between the MIS GT60 or the Clevo P150EM...I am new to both brands ..was Dell user for years.....which do you think is better suited for me Clevo/Sager P150EM or MSI GT60??

please help me

 

you can also check nvidia's 680M performance here

in bechmarks 680M is 5% faster than 7970M, but in games performances you can see that 7970M is above 680M is some games (diablo for example)

 

NP9150 advantages:
- lighter
- much powerfull option for video card
- best value for the money (especially because of the simple design)