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I'm wondering if there will be a 15.6" version of this. 17" is just too big and heavy for me to carry around :\

 

15.6 cannot support 2 video cards for any companies

 

I dont think there is enough space in a 15.6" for SLI/CF

 

No, the width of the memory bus has nothing to do with how much memory the GPU can access. The 256bit memory bus just means that the bus is 256bits wide. It affects the bandwidth though and the total bandwidth is essentially width * clockspeed. For 680m's there is 4GB per card and the GPU can easily make use of the entire 4GB. And you are correct in that the memory is not doubled in SLI/CF, it is essentially mirrored, so you only get 4GB VRAM with 2x4GB cards. So while there is technically a total of 8GB of VRAM, for all intents and purposes it is really 4GB. And likewise for the 7970m's but it is 2x2GB so it is 4GB total but effectively only 2GB.

 

Does that mean that the total bandwidth is doubled?
also, the memory band width of the two cards are:
115.2 GB/s-680m
153.6GB/s-7970m
As far as I know, the "better performance" of the 680m comes for the 1344 Cuda cores, where the 7970m has "only" 1280 Stream processors.

 

Yes this is true. It is hard enough to get this to work efficiently is a 17" chassis...

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No the memory bandwidth is not doubled. Essentially, when you do SLI/CF the memory stays exactly the same, but the GPU power goes up. Due to this fact, it is better to start with cards with more memory on them, otherwise you can end up where you have too much GPU power for the amount of ram available. Say if you had a 1GB 680m, that would probably be ok as a single card in most cases, but if you put two of them together, you would find that you will not have enough vram to run at the higher resolutions/AA settings you would need to use in order to make use of all that GPU power.

As far as quantity of vram, adding more does not necessarily make it faster, you either have enough ram to render the scene at the resolution/aa/af/etc levels selected or you dont. If you don't have enough ram then you hinder performance SIGNIFICANTLY, as the card needs to use system ram to compensate and that is way slower. I mean dropping from potentially 100+fps to 10-15. If you have enough ram and add more, then the performance wont change.

The bandwidth of the memory needs to kind of 'match' the GPU speed. If you make the GPU way faster but not the ram, or the ram way faster but not the GPU, you wont really get much performance. Most cards come relatively balanced out of the box, but there have been some notable example where raising the clockspeed of just the GPU or RAM will yield a pretty significant speed increase. The 7970m and 680m are fairly balanced, although the 680m definitely benefits a bit more than the 7970m does from a ram overclock alone.

You cannot directly compare the shader cores in ATI cards vs nVidia cards. For example, the desktop GTX 680 has 1536 shader cores, while the ATI 7970 has 2048, yet they are of similar performance when they are running at the same clockspeed.

 

Hello there fellow NBR members, I'm new and this is my first post.
Btw, sorry for my bad english lol.......

Can any one give their thoughts about this review. Since I'm planning to to get this product through XoticPC.com. I know that the two brands (Sager & Schenker XMG ) both uses the same Clevo P370EM barebone but in my mind they have different "BUILD Quality". Anyone agree on me? CAn somebody enlighten me or share their thought about this subject matter. Do guys think that the same review can be told to sager version of Clevo P370em?

Please help.

Thanks..

 

They are the EXACT same machine, both built by Clevo, infact ALL of them are built by Clevo, no matter who you buy it from. Same build quality, same everything.

EDIT: Even from the 'builder' companies, they receive an assembled barebone from Clevo, and then add all of the components. Where as the re-sellers order a machine with components installed from sager and then they do their customizations, if any, and then you receive it. Sager is a builder just like any other, where they receive the empty barebones from clevo, and then put parts in.

 

Origin PC, Eurocom, Sager, Schenker XMG, AVA Direct, Pro Star, Malibal, Metabox, Reflex Notebooks (and I am sure there are more) "build" their own Clevo based machines. The build quality is the same across the board, as the barebone kits all come from Clevo. The only real difference is the components installed by the different OEMs. Then there are some discounts, warranties, prices and such that also differ.
As for the review, it would be the same as long as the hardware was the same.
So I would suggest, going through all the sites, build the same builds, look at the prices, discounts or offers, the warranties, then email them about shipping costs. Right now, all Sager resellers have a back to school promo, free upgrade to HDD and RAM

 

I'd also be interested in what others think of this review as I'm looking at this as well as the AW M18X. I know I'm going to pay a lot more with AW, but the build quality of the M18X seems solid all around.

 

Well I think it is all up to you and what you want it for. If you just want to game and you dont mind shelling it out, AW looks cool, has cool features, and has a nice fit 'n finish.
Correct me if I am wrong, isnt the Clevo lighter, smaller, and just as powerful? And it still looks professional enough to take to work and/or school.
It is true that Clevo machines have a known "crappy" key board (doesnt bother me I cant type worth a damn), but have been able to upgrade to a Steelseries KB in the past. IDK if one can still be purchased...
Doesnt AW have there own downfalls? Its really a Dell (lol sorry I hate Dell), havent they had quality issues? And the former executives of AW, Origin, use Clevos.
But its your choice.

 

I have my doubts regarding the cooling of the Clevo. 100C on a non extreme CPU is way over the edge, even for a sloppy factory job,... even in Prime95 + Furmark + relatively high room temp. For comparison , my last M18x machine would never get that hot even with an extreme CPU overclocked @ 4.5ghz on all cores. A normal quad would never even reach 70C. Cooling is a major factor when it comes to gaming rigs, imho.

AW M18x:

PRO's:

Great cooling -> very good overclockability -> more powerful
Next-Business-Day Support
Lower price after discounts
up to 5 hard drives
better build quality (anodized aluminum shell, strong hinges)
macro keys
higher quality keyboard
2 headphone jacks
HDMI IN&OUT
WirelessHD transmitter
graphics switching - 5hr+ battery life

CON's:

Lower quality control (more systems arrive with defects)
Heavy
Big
Flashy lights (can be turned off)

Clevo P370EM:

PRO's:

Higher quality control (less systems arrive with defects)
Smaller
Lighter
Anti-glare screen option
Up to 4 hard drives
Lower average price for complete configuration.

CON's:

inferior cooling -> lower overclockability -> less powerful

 

keep in mind p370em is a 17 inch laptop， you should compare it to m17xr4, it is not fair to put p370em and m18x together.

 

1) That was primarily for the person who was debating between the two.

2) IMHO, it's still a fair comparison, flagship vs flagship. The difference in screen size isn't that great.

 

I miss the M17x R2... did you know that had the capabilities to run duel VGA? I wonder why they changed that...
As for the heat, I will record my temps while gaming.
On the same note, just a little left, I wonder if there will be a way to customize the fan speed protocols. Like If I want 100% fan at 50C instead of 95C... Or will there be a key Fn for 100% fan speeds?

 

The flagship of clevo this year is the upcoming 570wm actually

 

Whoa wait a minute, there will be new a model from clevo? Can you give me the details about it. Will it support dual gpu?

Regarding about the review Eurocom Scorpius (Clevo P370EM): Conclusion, One
of negative things is the " hallow plastic feeling". Did anyon notice this in other models? Also about the keyboard it seems they improve it.

 

Definitely a fair comparison between the two: price point, weight and configurations on the P370EM are way closer to the m18x than the m17x. Not having seen the P370EM, but having owned a couple m18xs, DF900s and x7200s, I'd go with the m18x. While the performance difference is likely negligible, the design (Clevo has GOT to get away from their cheap-looking plastic designs, maybe go with something like the w90vp they did for Asus), cooling and battery life of the m18x win IMO.

I think Clevo should have gone the route they did with the x7200 and designed a system with a desktop CPU, behemoth cooling and oodles of storage options. This way, they'd offer a new option to a different market segment rather than trying to compete with an already-solid product.

 

If these rumors are true, they soon will be... See http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ger-np7280-owners-lounge-614.html#post8822119

 

The P570WM is the one that will support a socket 2011 desktop CPU.

 

From the pics and specs, same chassis as the X7200

 

thinking about buying one of thses from xotic pc. i would like to start out small with just one 7970 but upgrade later on. does anyone recommend this idea. also is it all-round a pretty good buy. this laptop???

i also noticed the copper heat sink upgrade they offer does anyone recommend this or know anything about it??

 

How do you guys think the SLI 670s would do vs a single 7970 or 680??

 

I agree.
I'm new here and looking for a mostly stationary gaming laptop. Just finished reading 150+ pages in the P170EM/P150EM forum. When I first learned of this model it seemed to be the right combination of features/price but when I read the reviews and saw the high temps, which I attributed to dual gpu, I began considering the single gtx 680m option instead.

I figured that a single gpu would logically be positioned in the far slot away from the heat of the cpu and on its own hs and fan. Hard to believe they designed it so a single gpu has to sit right next to the cpu. I'm guessing even a single gpu is gonna run hot under load in this poor design, but I'll keep an open mind till I see more reviews that more closely match the modest machine I am considering as opposed to the maxed out ones.

 

I would not suggest getting this machine unless you get two 7970's or 680's. If you get one card you are better off with a P150/170 with a single card and then upgrading that single card to the next gen card when it comes out. That will cost you less money.

Bad idea, SLI 670's are slower than a single 7970 or 680m.

 

ok gotcha.. its whats offered as base on the 370em. I might look into a single 680m on one of these platforms and down the line grab a second.

 

Base is either 670m in SLI or single 7970m (same cost). Single 680m is $250 more.

 

ok talkers, anyone has got one of these on hand with GTX680 SLI and 3920XM CPU ????

 

If I buy one of these built by xotic pc, will they come with the Onkyo speakers? If so, how good is the sound quality on this setup?

 

the sound quality is said to be better than 170/150EM due to better sound card/drivers

"ok talkers, anyone has got one of these on hand with GTX680 SLI and 3920XM CPU ????"

^^ that is a beastly machine. you should buy one. ITS $3300+ USD!!!

 

They haven't been released yet, so no customers will have them yet.

 

ok that is weird one... how come they are not yet released, but there are good few reviews online by retailers/resellers???

I wonder where there I should chance my arm again with M18X R2 getting SLI 680gtx, or just dump AW and go this model instead. I am going XM cpu mentioned and I will go SLI with GTX680 ... I dont care about costs now, I need good machine... if yous read what hickup Ive been given by AW few days ago Im just bit dissapointed in them right now... so im on the look out for something again

 

Releasing for the official public is one thing.

Having reviews by resellers and retailers is another thing. It's been like that for ages now

Also public releases tend to have some exceptions and additions... fixes and stuff

 

Found a new video of this beast while poking around youtube


Sager NP9370 (Clevo P370EM) Benchmarking & Review - YouTube

 

Check out what Papa Wingnut has scored for review (courtesy of LPC-Digital):

 

Wow congrats. I really enjoyed your 9150 review .

Something tells me you wont want to send that back when your done .

 

is it just me or touchpad will sound like fail job on this laptop??? so as the bee-grill on GPU vents looks very bad too, in past experience had advent laptop with such mesh over cpu exhaust port and it was seriously heating up untill I removed the mesh all together... other than that it looks weird too............

 

^Get another AW, I think it looks awesome! In game, it will stay plenty cool. And I dont know about the rest of you, but I will only be using this beast at a table/desk top with a mouse, so the touch pad is just there.... to remind me that it is a notebook.

 

Found a new video of this beast while poking around youtube
Sager NP9370 (Clevo P370EM) Benchmarking & Review - YouTube


Did he say that the 370EM uses custom GPU's???
So even with one card it will not use Opt/End? Man I need to get my hands on it to test this!!!

Edit: Wrong Quote

 

I will see what will I get. As a matter of fact I found one seller on ebay listing these, shipped from Japan Tokyo ... what about radiation contamination of the laptop hence posted from Japland??
If Im right they would have been manufactured as parts in Japan and shipped to Canada/USA for assembly and retail, correct?

 

I wouldnt worry about radiation... even if they were made in Japan. Barebone Clevo's, regardless of brand, is manufactured and assembled in Taiwan.

 

Then get the M18x R2, it has better overclocking potential, has a more sturdy chassis, and can be had with better warranty support.

 

Pre-ordered this beast instead of P170EM on my signature!

 

Wicked! How did you build yours? where did you order from?

 

The german reseller Hawkforce (where I ordered) also offers the P370EM, now. Starting at 1699€ with AMD 7970 CF!

 

well, I had one, ordered few weeks ago, still waiting for their again re-scheduled courier to pick it up... returning for refund due to manufacturing flaws... yes chassis is nice metal material but it was either very poorly assembled or wrongly assembled plus bad made chassis in my unit that I received... all I/O ports out of alignment, 7970cfx artifacts in idle screen randomly, GPU running hotter than my previous 7970m seen before, many other imperfections... had it for 24H...raging to return this back... what an experience
you can read on here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...ot-so-great-experience-brand-new-m18x-r2.html

If I reorder another one I would ask to go with SLI 680 but how to be sure same doesnt happen again ... its kinda traumatizing so im hung in an empty space with no laptop haha (but have 3920XM ES CPU bought )

 

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Wondering if anyone here who actually owns a 370 with dual 680 has experienced throttle problems? The temperature is somewhat ridiculous especially regarding to the fact that all the reviews I have read are all with none xm CPUs. I'm interested in this lap but please tell me the temp are not really hurting anything (throttle, lifespan etc)

 

I hope HTWingnut shows temps during game play, Furmark benches at 77-90c is worst case... I bet GPU temps are around mid 70's max during gaming. Nobody has taken delivery of their "owned" machine as it was released very recently. There are plenty of reviews and a good video review on YouTube.