*** Official Clevo P570WM | P570WM3 / Sager NP9570 Owners Lounge ***

Might as well get an early start here.

Basic system specs found at :

http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo_2.asp?productid=451
http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo_2.asp?productid=452


Anyone pre-order this yet? What CPU are you going with the i7-3970X? Anyone itching to attempt something like an E5-2670 Xeon?

 

Just wanted to post some pictures of our exclusive BIOS so you can see some differences

Advanced Menu:

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Advanced Menu -> Advanced Chipset Control:

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Advanced Menu -> ACPI Settings:

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Advanced Menu -> CPU Configuration:

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Advanced Menu -> CPU Configuration -> CPU Socket 0 Information:

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Advanced Menu -> CPU Configuration -> CPU Power Management Configuration:

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Advanced Menu -> Performance Tuning:

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Advanced Menu -> Performance Tuning -> Memory Configuration: (Note you can only set timings or XTU timings right now, Clevo broke the ability to change the memory multiplier from anything other than 16)

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Advanced Menu -> SATA Configuration:

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Advanced Menu -> USB Configuration:

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Security Menu: (You can also set a password on the HDD itself to enable self encryption on drives that support it)

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Boot Menu:

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Boot Menu -> OS Select / UEFI PXE Support: (You can set UEFI boot without setting windows 8 mode so you can UEFI boot any OS that supports it)

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We'll be more than happy to answer any questions about these

 

Prema BIOS Mod link for this model in my signature!

 

I've seen that requested before, but never seen a mod do it. Don't know if it's possible.

If a mod wants to merge or rename, I won't object too much. However, I'd like this thread to be free of the chaff, and dedicated to actual people who purchase, people running actual benchmarks, configs, driver downloads, etc. Being the P270WM thread was never officially released there is a lot of supposition, outdated and sometimes incorrect material in the other thread that we may want to break away from. Just my $0.02.

 

I agree with jclausius. Keep this one separate. This machine exists.

 

Is there anyone who placed an order for the beast? What i really liked is that 2 available screen options are both free to upgrade and those are not just some low quality displays...

 

I would recommend the P370EM instead, can't figure out why one would really need this, the cooling doesn't seem to be fixed..

 

jaug1337 me to, but still) what if the cooling problem has gone and there's some room for OC? hope some resellers could enlighten us

i could by this DTR with an 8-core ive-e, 2x next gen GPU and updated design some day... but of course, p370em looks far more better in all maters right now)

 

What cooling problems are you referring to? I have a x7200 with a 980x and 2 480Ms and never had any cooling problems.

I don't feel the need to overclock anything. It is not necessary with a desktop processor and sli video.

 

a) I wouldn't be so fast to recommend anything to anyone until I knew how they're wanting to use the machine.

b) How does you know this? Do you have one yet? Now, will one be able to OC the components to their fullest? Probably not. But, I'm sure its adequate. For my requirements, an 8/12 core physical CPU in the laptop would be a huge benefit. Myth is building an 8-core one now, and I wIll be looking for an upgrade before too long.

 

The story about the heat issues with p570wm was quite some time ago, and was one of the reasons the release date was pushed that far. As for me i always seek for the 10-20% oc for the laptop to be future proof even if its enough for nowadays usage. Benching is another thing, though)

Anyways 8-core desktop cpu laptop sounds tempting!!! The only problem is that the new gpu's wont be released till 3rd quater 2013... So but p570wm now, upgrade to ive-e in2-3 months and upgrade gpu's in 2-3 months as well. Way too costly

 

Larry from LPC-Digital posted this great quick overview video of the laptop showing us the exterior and brief look at the guts of this system.

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This system will be inbound to me next week for a thorough review! Heads up!

 

HTWingnut, looking forward to your review.

If Aikimox & johnksss are out there, I'd be interested if you have anything you would like to see out of HTWingnut's review.

p.s. -> This is for you HTW -> Go Hawks!!

 

They want to see it melt!

 

I know Red Line that's why haha))

 

Don't think Larry would be too happy to see that happen.

I will push it to its limits within stock config though, and any software overclock that's available.

Please me know any benches or software you'd like me trial out of the ordinary. Are there any decent GPGPU benchmarks, and preferably for free?

 

There are no questions at this time. Just enjoying the show

Haha, good one! No, I have no stake in this anymore.

 

Same here, no questions right now. Will wait for the first couple of showings.

 

I don't quite understand why they didn't install a second 2-bay HDD cage? There is plenty of unused space above the 3rd drive. Or they could have at least flipped the connector, which would allow installation of a 15mm drive. Also, that grey / blueish base color looks quite yucky. Is that a Sager special or will they all come with this finish out of the (Clevo) box?

Edit: ok, just saw that the extra space above the 3rd drive is for the battery. Too bad.

 

This all look very anticipating) Also, Myth, could you please test the 2133Mhz ram stick on this one by any chance? tnx

 

Of course we will be MORE than happy to test them

 

Great! Also is there a particular reason whu Sager sells the beast with 680M and K5000M GPU's while Clevo ones ship with all the variety of cards including AMD

 

That you would have to ask them, Clevo cleared all the cards we listed..

 

It might just be the markets they envision for this machine.

 

It could also be related to existing inventory, exclusivity deals, or a whole other variety of reasons. I think if enough ppl complain about this to resellers, and Sager is losing sales to builders, one might expect change.

 

I'm going to try 2133MHz. I have 2x4GB 2133MHz RAM chips. But not until I do a little bit with the stock 16GB 1600MHz installed. It is a major PITA accessing the RAM in this thing. You have to remove three screws on bottom, the top LED indicator panel, four ribbon cables, 5 screws, keyboard, keyboard backplate.... only THEN can you see the RAM slots.

I just got my review sample from LPC-Digital yesterday and let me say it is a BEAST. Larry from LPC was joking how it was a 25 lbs shipping weight... for a laptop! lol. But this thing is quite impressive so far. And thick is an understatement, but hey, it's got dual 100W TDP GPu's and a desktop CPU, room for 3 2.5" HDD's, optical drive, and a plethora of ports.

I just got Windows 7 installed, CPU temps were running in low 90's with Prime95 and throttling according to HWInfo64. So I just repasted the two GPU's and CPU. Now it approaches 90C a lot more slowly but still reaches it, although HWInfo64 hasn't shown it "throttle" yet. Running at 3.5GHz across the board... all SIX cores. Access to the primary components like CPU, GPU, and HDD is easy as expected with Clevo boxes. Only difference is you have a lot more screws to remove. Three for the fan on each the GPU's and 6 heatsink screws in addition, and 3 for CPU fan and 4 on the CPU heatsink. But the wi-fi and CPU are a bit more difficult to access. The battery is surprisingly small for this machine, and is secured with three slotted screws, but can be easily removed with a flat head screwdriver or coin, which is what I'm sure the intent was. I know this thing isn't expected to have much battery life, but it will be fun to test how long a desktop CPU will manage on battery.

Like the NP9370, the GPU's don't boost to higher clocks on their own, but have yet to try the P-state nVidia Inspector overclock like I did with the NP9370.

Still lots to do and little time until this weekend. Feel free to make any requests or post questions, although I hope to cover all of it in the review. Please thank Larry from LPC for allowing me this opportunity. It's something I would have never had the chance to evaluate otherwise, and want to answer any additional questions users may have.

 

HTWingNut
AWESOME!!! Well, it's a 150W CPU you had inside this beast - top of the line. My guess is that 130W IVE-E or even Sandy-E should work not approach 90C at all, especially in games. Do you have Far Cry 3 for testing? Could you please run it the first few minutes where the hero sits in the cage (not real gameplay) and test the CPU/GPU temps? You have 90% NTSC display, correct? How does it sound at full load?)) And of course what is the power consumption of the beast, can it run Far Cry 3 with just one PSU? Tnx a lot

Larry is superb, thumbs up)

 

I'll be looking into all of that. Will provide power draw figures for games and apps, along with CPU/GPU temps like my other reviews. And yes including all the latest games like Sleeping Dogs, Far Cry 3, Crysis 3, etc. I am just fussing with peak temps and power draw right now to make sure it's a stable machine. I work full time and have two small kids, so weekdays I can only manage so much but am hoping to hit it hard this weekend.

Here's the specs of the machine:

17.3" Full HD LED AUO B173HW01 V.4 90% NTSC 1920 x 1080 Gloss Type
Standard Thermal Compound
Intel® Core™ i7-3970X Processor Extreme Edition (15M Cache, up to 4.00 GHz)
Dual NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 680M 8GB Total GDDR5 DX11 in SLI + Extra AC Adapter & Power Converter Box
16GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz - 2 X 8GB
RAID 0 Enabled ( Striped Set) Dual Hard Drives Req
180GB Intel® 520 Series SATA 6.0GB/s SSD
180GB Intel® 520 Series SATA 6.0GB/s SECOND Bay SSD
6X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive and Software
Intel® Centrino® Ultimate-N 6300, 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN
2x300W PSU

 

You lucky dog!! Once you're done w/ whatever benchmarks you're planning to run. I'd be interested in what kind of minor OC you can accomplish w/ the CPU / GPUs. What do all the BIOS screens look like? My guess is the standard Clevo BIOS is used and that won't allow too much changing in there.

You'll probably need to use Intel XTU if the BIOS doesn't allow changing settings. johnkss & Aikimox have more experience at this than I do, but if I recall correctly from other threads, the idea was to see how far you could raise the base clock along with other possible tweaks to push the CPU to 4GHz running stable. Perhaps they can chime in with some ideas.

 

Yup, will have all that covered too.
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2nd part I agree, but 370em? no freaking way!! all 3 usb 3.0 ports on the right side where i use my mouse? thats a BIG thumbs down already.

3.5ghz, was hoping to see 4.0 lol. will really have to look forward to 10c/20t ivy EP, TDP at 70watts =/ compare to 3960x at 150..

 

I will see how Intel XTU affects it, should be able to run 4GHz no problem I would think. That's insane performance if it can.

 

So how is this situation unfolding?

 

Don't know that I've seen this posted yet, but here's another overview video.

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Wow, thanks for that one.
The cooling seems even better than on the X7200, though in 3DMark11 the cards stay under 70° here, too.
BUT the score is nearly the same as with my X7200 - 150 more on graphics score (remember it´s with SLI Hack), but physX nearly the same... with my old i7 970 CPU?

Does anyone know if the GPU heatsinks would fit in the X7200? I mean I use the ones from my GTX 485m´s and they seem fine, but the P570WM´s heatsinks seem to be a tad better in cooling... so any idea?

 

Hey everyone, we just put our review up as well.

 

Does 3DMark11 push the CPU that much? I always thought it was mostly a GPU type of test. And given you're running 680Ms in SLI, wouldn't your scores be about the same?

Also, can a builder or reseller list the breakdown of ALL SATA ports? I'm assuming the double cage would be for SATA III (6Gbps) based drives. The drive under the battery - SATA II (3Gbps). What about the optical and E-SATA ports? SATA II? SATA I (1.5Gbps)? Can you correct me on any of these ports?

 

The combined test and CPU test are factored into the final score so it does make a difference.

 

Yes, but at what percentage? In other words, I don't believe it is a 50-50 split. Am I wrong?

One other thing to note is the first review is based on the i7-3820 where the Xotic review uses the i7-3970X. Dunno how this affects the results.

 

It will make a few hundred points of difference usually between significantly faster CPUs, also the extra cores will help since the tests are highly threaded.

 

Power draw so far with artificial benchmarks (3DMark) was up to 330W+ so a single power supply will definitely restrict performance. Also, a round of BF3 resulted in about 315W peak draw, average 300-305W. This is all stock clocks too.

 

two sata 6gbps, optical + 1 bay should be 3gbps, until lynx chipset goes into this thing for full 6gbps, is another 2 years wait.

looks like finally clevo decided to open up the last fan hole on bottom plate it was 4 fans but 3 vent holes for air, now it's four lol, good job also any known fan control software works with this thing? hwinfo?. that aside, CPU heatsink is a beast, design is so-so, is there anyone able to show me what the motherboard of this looks like?.. just really curious and I want to see the full size motherboard.. top and bottom and all sides lol

 

Clevo is in the habbit of encrypting everything now so nothing can read/write to their EC/bios for fan control and such.

 

I never really understood the design. I think the idea was the "closed" fan was supposed to draw heat from inside the case, but not certain how effective that really was. However, given my x7200- has never overheated, it must've been doing something.

 

The specs for the Sager NP9570 say it will support Quad Channel memory. However, at most dealer websites the memory offered is either stated as 'dual channel' memory or no memory specification is given. Intel says the LGA2011 CPU and X79 chipset will support Quad Channel memory. Does anyone know if the mother board in the NP9570 has the arcitecture to support Quad Channel memory? By default, if you have just two sticks of memory installed you will get only dual channel throughput. However, some sales sites list a four stick memory configuration as a 'Dual Channel' configuration. I believe that would cut your memory bandwidth in half compared to what the CPU and chipset are capable of handling.

HTWingNut,(Go Wings!) it would be helpful if you could run memory speed tests with four memory sticks installed and then again with only two SDRAM's inserted. I would think the pass with four memory sticks installed should run the faster times. Also, would it be possible to verify that the factory installed memory is even capable of quad channel performance.

I look forward to any and all input on this performance issue.

 

Its a straight up X79 chip in there, so yup quad channel support is baked in. We offer 2 SODIMM configurations as an option, but we have been advising all of our customers that quad channel is the way to be

 

yes, the same work for some older laptops and their design but flaw is there. drawing heat from inside and send it out near the back sounds good and all but notice that 3rd fan (CPU fan, with no vent on bottom before) is basically 1st fan to cool off CPU. the amount of heat is enormous even on stock yet they want to draw hot air to blow on a hot heatsink? LMAO. I read someone stating their HDD in their machine prior to this revision was around 55-60C.. so that design is umm, dumb lol

chipset/HDD should be fine, unless they go to like 65+C, otherwise just keep the CPU/GPU cool and it's enough. if people still worry, get a cooling pad. they open up the bottom vent means they improved cooling =D

 

Whoa, really? I guess I missed that little tidbit. I'll have to throw in two more 8GB chips. Too bad I don't have two more 2133MHz chips. 4x4GB @ 2133MHz would rock (maybe).

 

HTWingNut
hey there) any test results?

 

All in due time. Anything in particular you're looking for?

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