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It will give better results yes.

 

The scary throttle flag stopped me from doing so.
but ill find some courage.
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there is always a hope Nvidia will come to their senses and fix it.

 

I have not flashed the VBIOS yet, nor have I moved to the Prema BIOS. But I am considering doing that now.

What kinds of performance improvements have folks seen just by installing these two BIOS?

Is it easy to flash back to original (how)?

Any driver issues to be aware of?

Also, I assume these are the right ones: VBIOS and Prema ?

Are there any other changes/mods/drivers I should be looking at... assuming stock cooling (except maybe thermal paste)?

And speaking of thermal paste. I had the IC Diamond paste put on by Sager when I ordered... any need to change or do something different?

Thanks All!

 

I suggest you read this thread and the nvidia vbios thread over at techinferno.Com.

 

Hi guys I have a question how do i know if my sager np9570 /Clevo P570WM has 3d vision or no

 

It would specifically say it was 3D.

You ordered the NP9570 which is not a 3D model. Sager NP9570 only has one display option, the 90% color gamut glossy screen. 3D requires a 120hz screen and a built in emitter. I don't think any currently shipping Sager models have the emitter built in so your only option for 3D, even with the 120hz screen, is to run external display through HDMI or displayport to a 3D TV or monitor.

 

The 3D model is called P570WM3 and also shows as such in the F2 BIOS Menu.

 

Maybe just a little condescending. I have been looking through them, but rather sort through 100s of pages of misc information, I was thinking someone might have summed it up or put a guide together for our platforms that is kept up to date.
Thanks anyway.

 

Considering that you can actually kill your machine if you haphazardly flash things, Meaker has a point about reading. If you're too lazy to do that, you shouldn't be tweaking your machine to those extremes.

 

Guides already exist on each part at prema's site and tech inferno.

 

Lazy? Really? I asked some questions... all I wanted was some answers to those questions. As I suspected this thread is made up of a clique that feeds on themselves. Sorry to mess with your little love in. Carry on.

 

I'm sorry you feel that way but if you have issues following the guides you were directed to then feel free to ask questions, it's just a lot to go through from the very beginning.

 

i have been feeling down forever cause no one make high end laptop with dual screen =(

 

@ Mikla, The thing is you will spend more time waiting for answers to your questions, because those questions tend to lead to more questions...the most efficient way to get the information is to actually dig through the thread. Meaker in particular has spent more time explaining things than anyone else here and is not condescending an any way. Don't take things the wrong way. People here WILL help you. I know because they have helped me.

 

Is there any OC guild out there for the P570WM? Tired to look at the BIOS setting (PermaMod ofcourse) and didnt make to much sense.

Aditional Turni Voltage? How that that unit apply? Every unit here is the same as you add 0.0039 voltage? And it only applies for Turbo mode? (any frequenzy above 3600Mhz?

Turbo Boost max amd Turbo Boost Short Max? Same here, mine is set to 1040 and 1300, meaning that the CPU can get maximum 130Watt during Turbo operation and 162,5Watt as a short peak?

Should I also keep the same multiplier on every core? or should I step it on the last 2 cores?
OC desktop is so much easier

My score on stock

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8467459

Trying to OC the 780M cards but 3Dmark11 freezes with Memory above 50Mhz. Core seems to head to 100Mhz but stops there, even with 1.1V on the core.

 

You have both power supplies connected, correct? If not, make sure you hook up your second power supply with the supplied converter, this system needs it.

As for overclocking, don't mess with the BIOS, just use XTU. It doesn't get any simpler than that imo and unless your system freezes or restarts and triggers the watch dog, your XTU settings stay across reboots without worrying about not being able to boot the machine and having to pull the CMOS battery. Just don't mess with memory timings unless you are prepared to pull the battery since being too aggressive on memory will cause the system not to POST.

 

I give up these cards, not stable at all with some OC. I was at least hoping to get 880M clockspeed on these but nope....anything over 50Mhz give me a total computer freeze.

Either my new P570WM is very bad or my old Alienware M18x R2 (with a silly 3840QM/680M SLi) was very good.

Result

Since I cant seem to get much OC out of my P570WM, upgrading my old R2 with 3940MX/880Mx3 and then to this P570WM has been a very very big waste of money.

 

Try the extreme test instead of the performance one (more relevant to high end systems) Also make sure you have a proper profile set up in Nvidia manager for 3DMark 11. I was getting lower scores on my GTX 780m till I realized it was on "global settings" which had a bunch of shaders and other stuff maxed out.

Also you won't see too much gain from 680m to 780m, (something like 10%) the main reason for the 570WM is the Desktop processor which won't affect games much (except physics heavy games and simulators like Xplane). You will see heavy gains in multitasking and dual monitor setup with multiple multithread apps, due to 6 cores and quad channel memory.

 

What makes the laptop suddenly restart during a stress test? Temperature?

 

Either Temp or Unstable clock speeds

 

Too much cpu voltage.

 

Hmm, cuz my laptop restarts even on stock setup during Prime95 and XTU Stress-Test. Might not be the best application to test stability on, is there any one els?

 

You bought a (supposedly) fully tested and functional P570WM from a reseller right? You didn't just buy the barebones and assemble it yourself? Because it just sounds like something is terribly wrong with your P570WM.

 

Me and my laptop luck.

I bought it brand new from Clevo distributor here in Norway, only thing I did was to press the power button on this one.

 

If I were you I would just email them the problems you're having and tell them they sent you an untested and non-functional machine and you want a replacement or a full refund.

 

You have some really bad luck there Arotished...

 

why is that?

Okey, can someone please explain this to me?

Result

My 3840QM and 680M SLi gave me 1300 points higher in Firestrike Extreme.....

PS: Even my 3940XM and SINGLE 880M on stock clock beats my 4960X/780M SLi..

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2283463 http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2283463

During FireStrike Extreme, Im pulling max 350W from the plug.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3412342?

 

Wait a second do you have each adapter plugged in to the wall separately or on the same cord with an adapter? I ask because of your pic of the two adapters, it looked like you had only one cord going to the wall. If you have something like that, remove it and run a cord from each to the wall and test again.

 

The proper way to do it would be to plug each PSU into the wall, then connect both to the power converter box, and plug the power converter box into the P570WM.

 

Didnt work, gonna try my 880M cards in the clevo and see how that works.

 

What didn't work? I'm starting to think you might have a PSU or power converter box issue.

 

He likely connected the bricks correctly now but still has the same issues.

 

what is it with me getting faulty parts?! I tried with one PSU now and got 5300 points in FireStrike Extreme

Another question, due to the breathing "hole" in the IHS on the 4960X, is it safe to use Liquid Pro on it?

 

you can connect it incorrectly? how?

 

The image here looks like a y-cable is used to connect the PSUs to a single outlet.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-18-m18x/750830-just-got-my-880m-twins-77.html#post9704611

I didn't know if that could possibly cause problems which is why I asked if they were each hooked up to their own socket.

 

It probably should be ok to be fair.

 

Of course but process of elimination would dictate checking it out anyway which is why I didn't say anything when he first posted the pic but rather waited until he reported that his power draw was only 350W.

 

Liquid Pro is some magic stuff. It lowered my temp (used artic silver 5 before) from 95 to 82 degree during Cinebench test!

The laptop still restarts during Prime95 and Intel Tuning Utility Stress Test but now it restarts after around 15 min test due to tempertures reaching 95+ on 4.2Ghz on all six cores. Before it restarted after 1-2min on stock clocks due to it went to 95 degree right away.

Im very pleased with the results! Since the temp is okey during Cinebench, Im happy

What do you guys use for fanspeed control?

 

You can force max fans on with FN+1 on the keyboard, hit it again to return to automatic operation.

 

Thanks Alot

 

There is no current way other than that to modify the fan profile.

 

fan control, bigger screen and better mobo/bios as well as more storage is my biggest plus. oh and 5ghz with HT off..

 

What? Bigger plus for a M18x R2 over a Clevo P570WM?

Before this P570WM, I had 3 Alienware computers and I must say that Im more happy with the P570WM sofar..

 

right now my alienware would destroy P570WM in single thread applications just because I can oc higher and unless you can go over 4.7 without overheating lol. it will take extensive mod like water cooling to overcome 4.3/4.4 barrier, ontop of that automatic fan control or fan table really sucks which I can't stand.

R2 also have up to 4 2.5" storage bay and a msata, which I turned that into 5 2.5" and two msata, don't think I could do the same for P570.
P570 audio is horrible, and I'm not very fond of plastic chassis as they get scratched/bent too easily. I'd prefer a bigger screen, and newer chipset to support my usb 3.0 devices as x79 is very old already.

im just waiting for a revision and hope for the best =)

 

I have had (or, I still have) a total of 4 Alienware M18x laptops the past 3 year and I must say, I agree on is the plastic chassie but thats really just a gimmick in my view. I find the P570WM much easier to work on, the GPU's runs more cooler and during full FAN RPM, the P570WM is more quieter then the Alienware M18x. Its true that you cant get all the way up to 4.7Ghz on a 4930K/4960X (you need Liquid Cooling for that) but I manage 4.2Ghz pretty easy and during Cinebench, the temp is around 80-82 degree during full FAN RPM. Its true that a 6-core CPU is not really needed in a laptop so that's where the M18x has it advantage but the 4820K is an option too here

I could not care if the M18x had one more HDD bay, you can get 1TB SSD now and if you need more then 3TB storage space in your laptop, hey....get a server I think tthe P570WM has USB 3.0?

 

The P570WM can have 4 2.5" bays with the ODD replaced. There are pros and cons to each system. The 4930k I have may "only" go to 4.3ghz but I get 2 extra cores, more memory bandwidth and cache, it can also go up to 12 cores if you need multi threaded performance (which the x79 platform is all about).

 

Because in test 2 you throttled. Had that test not throttled it would be higher.

 

to each of their own. I like having more storage, but most 1TB SSD 2.5" consumer SSD are worthless in my eye if doesnt meet the level of the performance. only one so far worth getting as a 1TB drive is newly released sandisk extreme pro 960 or upcoming samsung 850 pro, other than that I wouldn't torrent anything off of any consumer SSD.

its pretty funny having so much storage bay isn't just for storage. storage is only a partial factor as raid performance is what im after the most.

full fan would be loud as hell and that isn't very enjoyable, and having that high of a temperature kinda scares me tbh. however there is one big advantage p570wm have over m18x R2 is that theres a chance to pick up a cherry desktop CPU, thats a huge plus, everything else so far seems secondary until DMI 3.0 gets released, or clevo makes a mobo with SSD running off its cpu.

 

You are more interested in storage performance than most tbh. But for you yes M.2 connected to the CPU with a single card on a mobile CPU platform or an X99 with dual cards and CPU connected M.2 is going to be the best bet.

 

Yo dudes, what's new? 880m's no good I see...well maybe? My 570WM sits dormant for the most part, except for the 13 yo playing some games every now and then. They know fan control...keep my 780's cool! Hmmmm...gotta find that bench OS. Hope I didn't write over it, lol