*** Official Clevo P650RG, P650RE3, P650RE6/Sager NP8658 and NP8657 Owner's Lounge ***

There won't be any battery savings in optimus based machines that have a mux compared to optimus systems that don't. The new chipset will help a bit though.

 

So I've been reading through the P650RG Manual and while it doesn't call it "Gear Display" it definitely implies having MUX with Discrete AND Optimus working simultaneously which is rather interesting. Makes me think that the MUX chip isn't a simple 1 way switcher and actually has 2 stages.

The settings are called "MSHYBRID" and "DISCRETE" modes. MSHYBRID seems enable Optimus to function and DISCRETE being self-explanatory. The interesting thing about MSHYBRID is it is referred to separately to Optimus in many NV patch notes. I'm guessing MSHYBRID stands for Mux System Hybrid or something like that which then enables Optimus to function. AFAIK mshybrid and Optimus haven't been used in conjunction before now.

There's also a "GPU Performance Scaling" BIOS option which says "NVIDIA Card does the scaling if this option is on, and has less latency than the Intel GPU". Not sure if this refers screen scaling (ie. resolution resizing) or performance scaling differently if/when using Optimus. Interesting...

Switching also requires a full reboot. No higher level software switching unfortunately

 

- MSHYBRID is the iGPU
- DISCRETE is the dGPU
- There is no Optimus >>> on the fly switching between them EDIT: Explained HERE
- GPU Performance scaling is just a switch to disable/enable GPU OC (135Mhz) and has nothing to do with the above.

 

This is the what the manual reads:
After selecting MSHYBRID, the computer’s operating system (and some applica-
tions) will automatically switch between the integrated UMA (Unified Memory
Architecture) GPU (iGPU) and the discrete GPU (dGPU) when required by the ap-
plications in use.

Sounds like Optimus to me..

On top of that you can find references to it in these NV Patch notes along side Optimus (I'm guessing because the Optimus version of NVCPL strips out the output specific settings as they are non-functional with the IGP in control):
http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/347.88/347.88-win8-win7-winvista-desktop-release-notes.pdf

 

that would suck, an igpu only option should be included!

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"MS Hybrid" is actually the official name for Optimus - Optimus is more of a marketing/sales name for it.

The options int he BIOS are "MSHybrid or dGPU switch". MSHybrid is Optimus, it auto switches. dGPU forces the dGPU on ;-)

Correct!

EDIT - hot off the press ;-) http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Schenker-XMG-P506-Clevo-P651RE-Notebook.150692.0.html . English version is usually a couple of days behind but google translate will do the job for you!

 

Right! My bad. I was wrong and a switching between iGPU/ dGPU during MSHYBRID mode is of course possible!
Minus the g-sync and screen refresh alteration capabilities, plus there will be an additional delay time for the dGPU signal until it reaches the screen (compared to direct dGPU mode).

On the other hand "Optimus" is a NVIDIA licensed branding/technique (just like 3D, g-sync, SLI), which the P6xxRx BIOS simply do not contain.
They are not Optimus ready/licensed, so "technically/legally" speaking they should refrain from using the term Optimus...

MSHYBRID ≠ OPTIMUS

MSHYBRID - Switching is licensed by Microsoft (aka Micro soft Hybrid Graphics)
OPTIMUS - Switching is licensed by NVIDIA

 

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Too bad they didn't fix the second GPU fan cut-out on the bottom panel like they did on the P650SG. Not a huge deal I guess.

Man, those surface temps though...that's Razer Blade territory, as is the noise. Probably worst-case scenario, but still.

Still somewhat bewildered that the BGA machines (meaning the ones that could most benefit from an eGPU solution) don't get a TB3 port, while their MXM-equipped machines (those that least need an eGPU) do.

Doesn't make sense to me.

 

@Ramzay

AFAIK the vents are all open on the underside as can be seen in the photo.

Agree with the eGPU point, it's the same thought that we had before the new range was developed but we don't make the ultimate decision on Clevo specs...

Compared to the Razer Blade (this is fromnotebookcheck's review of the Blade) the max noise level of P506 is 56dB(A) vs the Razer Blade 59dB(A) so the Blade is noticably louder on load. Plus the top surface temperatures are slightly lower than on the Blade ;-)

 

Oh the vents are open, but you'll notice that the second GPU vent cover isn't properly centered on top of the fan. The P650SG corrected this.

 

So since the RG is the same as the SG, I can put two HDD or an SSD and HDD in without any problems? Got it with the 1tb HDD (standard) and want to throw in the 850 Evo SSD (500gb).

Was kinda hoping for a new chassis, but I guess if they kept last gens that they worked enough. I think the new MSI models run a bit cooler and quieter, however are thinker.

So what is the story with Windows 7 and these models?? They only have Win 10 64bit on the Sager Site.. Mine arrives Friday.. What should I plan to do? Go out and by 10? I only have 7 at the moment..Or will the Win10 drivers work on Win7 install?

 

Clevo seems to have updated their website and show four models containing the GTX980M.
I was wondering what the differences were, but the only difference I could find was the G-suffix meaning it has G-sync.

• P650RG
• P650RG-G
• P651RG
• P651RG-G

Basically, does anybody know any other differences?

 

I imagine the -G is for the G-sync compatible models, while 651 models are the European versions, which for some reason have a different trim on the exhaust grill in the rear of the laptop.

 

Why does Europeans gets a different model compared to the rest of the world? Is there a reason why they needed a different model?

 

cuz thats how us EU folks roll on a more serious note: only clevo knows the answer to that! theyve done this with several laptop series already, including the P6xSx series and P7xxZM and DM series.

fun "fact": i always thought the european version looked a tad better than their american colleagues

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@ipwn3r456 @jaybee83 - I'll take the comment "cuz that's how us EU folks roll"

Actually Clevo can't answer that, but I can - we choose to take the version that we sell - we could order either or both if we wanted to! The main reason that Clevo builds different exterior designs of the same chassis is simply because some sales areas prefer a slightly more blingy look in general and some others like a less blingy look - simple as that ;-)

 

How is the build quality on the hinges? Do they last the test of time?

 

u should head over to the P650S / P670S owners lounges and ask the actual owners there the chassis remains the same in the P6xR series so they can give u valuable insight into build quality

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Roger that! Already made a post over there

 

I was rather disappointed with the screen hinges on my P650SE. In the time I had it, it didn't have any issues, but they aren't very sturdy - any kind of shock/vibration to the surface the laptop is on will cause the screen to wobble. Unlike, say, an ASUS ROG or Alienware machine, which have rock-solid hinges.

This machine was advertised as being one where you can open the screen lid with only one hand. That means the hinges can't be very stiff. There's two sides to that coin, and I'd personally rather have a machine that requires two hands to open than one where the screen jiggles every time I breathe on it.

 

oh no! I didn't read that part.. a little wobble like an 1/8" tops is ok I guess, but anything worse than that is just not acceptable.. My Lenovo W500 got that way after YEARS of use..

Other than that since it is metal hinges they should break or anything right?

 

What?! No fair. *Packs everything and move to Europe*

I can't really see the differences between them though, maybe a few high quality photos can help?

 

I believe the European versions have shiny chrome like this:



And 'Murica version is slightly less shiny like this:



Hopefully someone who has actually seen these models in person can confirm.

 

Nope.

P651Sx - matte non-brushed aluminum and black exhaust grills
P650Sx - brushed aluminum and chrome exhaust grills

The Rx versions should be the same.

 

I don't see them breaking, and its not like the screen is loose. It just doesn't take much to get it to wiggle a bit.

 

I don't think there were any big issues with the previous SE / SG versions, I don't see them breaking either.

 

This.

The further complication, is that the RE and RG variants ALSO use a different rear plate.

Best shown here:
P650RE Rear: http://www.metabox.com.au/images/Gallery-P650RE-1.jpg
P650RG Rear: http://www.metabox.com.au/images/Gallery-P650RG-1.jpg

Note the RG uses angled vents and slightly more surface area whereas the RE has a plain rectangular mesh structure. The RG also has a clearly visible Copper heatsink which also seems to come far closer to the outer edge of the laptop, whereas the RE doesn't. That could just be a difference in lighting though but it does make me wonder if the cooling is slightly different (maybe the RE/SE heatsink is just painted on the rear?).

 

well yeah thats normal though. the 980m requires a different backplate for improved cooling compared to the 970m and 965m. it was the same with the previous S gen of machines due to this, the G variants with the 980m also have a few mm added z-height

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Has anyone got one of these badboys yet?

 

Cheers Alex, you've completely made my mind up!
If these pictures are at all accurate, then it looks (imho) a lot nice and more mature than the Aorus.
Cheers again!

 

Mine is out for delivery !

 

Lucky you!! (Super Jealous)

Mine (RG) has an ETA of tomorrow
Once I get it I will take a few photos and post them. Then I will open it up (take more photos if you want and pop an SSD in it and get that bad boy going!

 

Thanks !
Mine is the RG as well. Which screen did you end up going with ? I have the 1080p, I didn't want to risk scaling issues with the 4k. Still question my decision though.
I have a SM951 waiting to be dropped into it for the SSD, I can't wait!

 

Really jealous. Eurocom hasn't even got these up on their website yet, not sure what the delay is all about.

 

I was happy with the IPS Panel with the G-Sync as the RG was already high end on my budget. I am sure the 4k would be stunning, but I think for this laptops life span the G-Sync will be enough and I will pick up 4K+ in a few years.

Dang that SM951 will be sweet. My game plan is to wait 6 month to a year for it to be more main stream. $200 for 256gb is a bit much for me when I got the old school 850 Evo 500gb for $150. Also went with 8gb of RAM and will be waiting for higher mhz ram to go 16gb.. But for now it will get me buy..

How much of a real world difference does the SM951 in games?

 

For most games you won't see a difference in frames per second. It will help with loading in to games, and for loading times in games (like joining a new game, going to a new map, etc). But you don't really see much of a frames per second boost in most games. There might be the occasional game where it will help with loading in objects in the world, but that is about it.

 

Compared to a "regular" SSD? I'd say none.

Ultra-fast SSDs are only really useful for people who need it for intense professional work, transcoding/encoding massive files or things like that.

For gaming and normal every day use, a basic/budget SSD is just fine.

 

That's what I was looking to hear haha.. Don't want to get the itch to go spend another $340.. Broke after buying the laptop..

 

Breathlessly awaiting reviews of this model. I'm pretty sure this is the one I want, but I'm trying to make sure to do my due diligence first.

 

Well, if you had the money lying around and nothing better to spend it on, sure go right ahead.

But a basic SSD like a Crucial MX200 is just fine for most people, and the extra cost of the high-end SSDs like the Extreme Pro or the SM951 is hard to justify for normal activities like gaming, browsing the web, email, Netflix/Youtube, etc.

The few extra FPS you might get do not justify the massive price increase in my opinion. That $350 would be FAR better spend on upgrading to a better GPU (980M if you were originally planning on the 970M), or more RAM, or a better CPU. All of those will have a far greater impact on FPS and general usage of the laptop than going from an 850 EVO (or other decent SSD) to a SM951.

 

Unless something drastic has changed, the only thing you really want to have reviewed is the G-SYNC and switching between the dGPU and iGPU (no Optimus with G-SYNC).

Beyond that, it's pretty much the same laptop as the past P650SE/SG, so just look up reviews on those and you should be 90% informed as to what this will be like I'd think.

 

This was posted a few pages back and simply needs to be run through a translator.

As Ramzay said it is pretty much the same as the last gen with the exception of G-Sync, DDR4, and the Skylake CPU which doesn't bring that much to the table. Oh and support for the new fast SSDs. Plus get you 8gb VRAM from the 8658 model as opposed to 4gb..

I see some promise in DDR4, but it's too early to see an improvement and it will require an upgrade to better mhz chips later..

There only small differences and you have to weigh if it is worth the premium as there is one.. I also couldn't find last gen anymore from Sager soo...

Despite it not being a HUGE difference and that fact I waited 3 months before placing a laptop order.. I doubt I will have buyer remorse unless it dies the moment the warranty ends haha.

 

Thank you, let us know when you get it! It is an awesome machine!

 

I think we will start to see in users hands very shortly

 

Thanks. As I understand it, we get the benefit of the new HM170 chipset too. Anyway, willpower fading; urge to pull trigger rising!

 

It should also support the 6820HK processor which is overclockable from intel

 

Unless you plan on holding out for the long haul.. I see no reason in not pushing the trigger now if you need/want a laptop unless its to save a few more bucks for a few upgrades.

Unless you are waiting for the reviews to come in, but they won't be much different than the last gen units so really no surprise there.. you basically already know what you are getting.

 

Ya, I'm just waiting for reviews to come in. I understand that they aren't expected to be much different, but I prefer to wait for confirmation.

 

Alex, can you offer any explanation why in the world Sager has two SKUs for the same chassis and mobo, the only difference being the initial configuration of customizable parts? I could customize a 8578 and configure it the same as a 8578-S and vice versa and there would be absolutely no difference, right? What the heck is the point?

 

I didn't try customizing it myself, but when I did the 8658 and 8658-S and with the last gen there is a price difference in the consumers favor for going with the 8658-S. It includes typically an SSD, 16gb RAM, 30 Day Pixel Warranty, and IC Tim as stock items and is like $75 (dont quote me on it) cheaper than if you start with a base 8658 and put all the pieces as upgrades in their menu.

I guess it could be offered as bundle option under the base sku, but I am sure it is probably easier for them to do it this way as you can remove components or still upgrade on say the 128gb SSD the S type comes with..