*** Official Clevo P65xRS(-G), P65xRP6(-G) / Sager NP8153(-S), NP8152(-S) Owner's Lounge ***

Hey guys,

I found a review for the 15" 1070, it's not as 'precise' as notebookcheck but still, if that can help :

http://www.trustedreviews.com/xmg-p507-review

 

Yeah they have a bit of a premium. Buying drives yourself, and getting the OS yourself (if you can) can help offset the difference. It was about a 50 dollar difference for me as they had a nice student discount. I would mainly go with them if your interested in the Prema bios and liquid ultra. At least know that they and LPC have the most responsive and helpful support out there. Poor Donald has answered me at like 2:30 am before.

 

Lol that trackpad deduction makes no sense, who on earth games with a trackpad? Also the bland looks are like half the reason I bought the thing. Still nice to have another review, though no real temp info.

 

I haven't hooked mine up to an external yet. Just built a standing desk and I need to migrate everything over to that. Probably this weekend. If I run into this issue I'll mention it here.

 

I'm a little confused about the 60 vs 75 Hz panels. I asked Larry about this and he was a little vague but said essentialy that panels rated as 60Hz by the panel manufacturer are run at 75 Hz for G-sync. He wasn't clear as to whether or not my P650RS-G is going to have a 60 Hz panel but I suspect the answer is "yes"

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I have an NP8153 and I (P650) and I can confirm, that with G-sync on, the monitor is still at 60Hz. You can overclock to 63-64Hz, but that's it. Mine has significant light bleed and a weird issue with dithering/banding on oranges and blues. More info and a photo of the banding/stripes here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-s-owners-lounge.795090/page-84#post-10333917

 

They are the same panel, with a different bios. But that doesn't mean a 60hz one can do 75hz, if they came as 60.

 

From what I heard (again from Larry@LPCDigital), the panel has to run at 75Hz to support g-sync. If it can't then that would be a factory defect.

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Well no, if it comes at 75Hz that's true, if you can't OC the 60Hz to 75Hz it wouldn't have been sent that way in the first place. Like the ones that can't hit 75Hz will still be sold as 60Hz ones.

 

Did LPC get back to you on this? It sounds pretty bad.

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Hmm.. I should have asked more questions. Maybe I will try to do that. Perhaps builders have more control over this than resellers?

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If it's sold as 75Hz and wont do 75Hz then it's bad. If it's sold without description assume it's 60Hz.

 

Gah... Well I'll wait to hear back from LPC on this...

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The panels are rated from the factory at 60Hz but have been qualified for 75Hz after the fact for those models I believe. It's basically binning.

 

@nadawhy seems to have a panel running at 60Hz in his P650 that he believes won't handle much higher than this.

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Like if Larry said your getting a 75Hz it won't come as a 60. Its just the way they make the 75 ones is push the 60s and check if they're stable.

 

Your panel may overclock of course still but then you are playing the lottery with some wins filtered out of the pool.

 

I'm getting 75hz when using the GTX1060 in discrete, 60hz max when using the Intel 530 in hybrid. P670

 

I saw this post and realized my P650RP6-G was doing the same thing so I pulled the 368.83 driver off of Sager's website and rolled back to it from the latest Nvidia driver and my G-Sync now works properly! Thanks so much it's smooth like butter now and my temps went down a few Celsius as well!! I believe the driver off Sager's website might be a specially tweaked version for these laptops but I'm just speculating.

 

Friend's considering a P650RP6, but I have potential concerns about the internal keyboard since the one on my P870 is infuriating due to ghosting issues with the U and J keys. Does the P650 have a similar problem? On my P870, if I hold the U or J keys, none of the other letter keys or the windows key function.

How does the build quality feel?

 

I take it you are a Sager representative

Sorry, I'm still a bit confused. For my P650RS-G with the 4K g-sync display, what refresh rate should I expect to observe with the 1070 g-sync option enabled?

Will Sager replace the display if it doesn't reach some mininum performance level in terms of the refresh rate? What would that minimum refresh rate be?

Thanks!

-Fred

 

60Hz 100% nothing higher exists anywhere for 4K. A dell desktop monitor does for 5 thousand bucks though lol.

Build quality is very solid, the lid is flimsy but the chassis is strong. Not sure about the keyboard, haven't really heard much of that issue on any of the models, I don't think your P870 should normally have it.


@Meaker@Sager Are there any 75hz 15" displays?

 

Thank you for clearing that up! Of course now that I think about it it makes sense - a lot more pixels to light up per second.

 

I've been waiting for Asus to release their 144Hz 4K IPS monitor they prototyped at Computex. Nothing else like it exists at the moment.

 

Guilty. I game on a trackpad.

 

Yikes, why? What notebook is good for that? Like many gaming notebooks have the trackpad on the left. That seems horrific for trying to play any kind of fps.

 

I used to play starcraft brood war on a little pointing mouse stick in the center of the keyboard.

Think of it like Goku training in the hyperbolic time chamber at 100x gravity.

The only problem is fending off all the women, but whatever.

 

Not that I am aware of.

 

LOL. That analogy 10/10.

You may just wanna get this: https://www.amazon.com/Pictek-Wirel...words=wireless+mouse&psc=1&smid=A913ZGO5BGAGD

Worth the investment lol.

 

I mostly play MMOs with the trackpad. I plug in a wireless Xbox one controller for FPS, action, RPGs, etc.

My past machinels (Alienware and MSI) both had ghosting issues where clicks wouldn't register while using the keyboard. My new 650RS doesn't have that problem, which is awesome.

 

You are a rare breed indeed lol. Any reason your so opposed to mice?

 

I mostly play MMOs with the trackpad. I plug in a wireless Xbox one controller for FPS, action, RPGs, etc.

My past 2 machines (Alienware and MSI) had

I have a gaming mouse on my desk, I just never sit there. I usually do most of my gaming on the couch using this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K955XUS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

My wife and I watch TV together while I play games. I would much rather do that than hang out alone in the basement where my mouse is located

 

Ah so you need a lapdog!

Or something similar: https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gaming-LAPDOG-Control-Center/dp/B01FGR778O

 

Too bulky. I'm somewhat of a minimalist.

 

Lol that things a beast. But where does the laptop go? I got one of these for college, https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B017...ds=lapdesk&dpPl=1&dpID=41LYj9r-a-L&ref=plSrch mousepad a bit bigger than it looks in pics, but not quite as beastly as the corsair lol.

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That'd be better for @Wonkyfinger but apparently he just likes suffering .

 

Track pad... -shivers-

 

If you disable all the windows delayed input bs its actually not that bad...until you get competitive.

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:/ I can't imagine playing any fps, or even a moba on a touchpad. Even ms word hurts on track pad!

 

Hi guys recently ordered the P650RP6, I'm so hyped !

Just one thing is bothering me... I'm currently using a 15" MacBook Pro retina, but considering the battery trade off and scaling issues with 3k (4k isn't available where I'm ordering) I went with 1080p for my P650. I'm afraid the display will be much worse compared to my MBP... what do you guys think ?

 

I've found that wireless mice work really well on the couch - that's how I game while my wife watches TV

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I am on the same situation with you (late 2013 15" MBP-R). I ordered NP8153 (Sager P650RS) with the Samsung PLS 4K screen (through LPC-Digital).

Notebookcheck review ( http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Schenker-XMG-P507-Clevo-P651RP6-G-Notebook.171275.0.html) suggests that the 1080P panel has about 86% SRGB. In comparison, the MBP-R panel was reported to be typically 99% SRGB ( http://www.jackenhack.com/macbook-pro-retina-color-accuracy/). This will probably be the first thing that you notice. I do not know what is the % SRGB on the Samsung PLS 4K.

For desktop work, I used both Dell 24 inches 4K and 1200P. I enjoyed working on the 4K screen a lot more (sharper text, less strain on the eyes, etc etc) but this is a very subjective observation. You may not consider it as important as I do.

Hope this helps.

 

Thanks for your input !

Yes on a 24" there is no debate a 4k screen is much, much nicer (183 ppi), but on a 15" inch screen I don't know if it still applies. 1080p at 15" is still 140 ppi which seems okayish to me but coming from a mbp with 220 ppi I'm afraid I'll be disappointed.

 

that's neat I like that alot! I'm might ask for one of those for Christmas.

 

Well if you're talking gaming the 1060's sweet spot right now is 1080p and it looks crisp and nice on a 15.6" IPS display. With a 1070 I'd say the sweet spot is a 1080p screen with 75hz g-sync or 120hz display as the high refresh rate reduces lag and eye strain. A 3K screen with a 1070 would be nice but only 4K's seem to be an option which isn't realistic for gaming anyways plus they hit battery life harder if your on the go. I think you made the right choice and will be happy! Just expect some edge light bleeding but it's a non issues during 99% of your screen time viewing.

 

In regard to PPI, this is subjective. I believe the rule of thumb for PPI is the so-called Steve Job's rule of 300 PPI at 10-12 inches from your eye ( http://isthisretina.com/). Worst case, you can always replace the panel like htwingnut did on Sager NP8651 ( )

 

Great video I didn't know it was that simple ! It's awesome, if I'm not satisfied I'll just get a better screen then

 

SO i decided to do the old Pros and cons list of getting this laptop. Please correct me if some info is incorrect and feel free to add in opinions

P670RS-G

Pros:

1. G-Sync (duh hahahah)
2. Insane perf gain over my current 970M
3. Quite portable IMO
4. Good cooling if repasted (GC, Liquid ultra etc)
5. Pretty decent battery
6. Storage galore
7. Great keyboard
8. Ease of maintainence as with most Clevos

Cons:

1. Light bleeding (luck i guess????)
2. Erratic fan behaviour
3. SUb par touchpad
4. BIOS issues
5. FlexiCharge is flaky AF
6. Custom fan profiles dont work yet

 

How is the light bleed on your p650rp6-g guys? I've got some in the top right corner and some at the bottom a bit left of the right corner. Pushing the lid a bit outwards at the side does seem to help tho it makes other parts worse. The panel is a LG LP156WF6

 

I changed my p650SG screen 3 times !
it's the simplest thing EVER, what is the most important :
- unplug the battery ! Yes that means, removing the tons of screws.
- use sellotape / no-conductive duct tape to make sure the eDP panel sticks correctly to the screen