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Its software issues and itll get ironed out. For fans flash xmg ec that corresponds to your model

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Just ordered my P650RP6-G from Obsidian-PC (1060/ 6700HQ). Expecting to get it by Saturday. It's my first Clevo, so I'm quite excited. Just hope it won't have much backlight bleed.

However, to fix the fan problem, which bios should I get from XMG? Quite confused as the model name changes. Thanks

 

If its just ordered it seems to have new bios...at least according to someones newer order in this thread.

@Meaker@Sager are the new P65_7X indeed shipping with updated bios already from clevo? Any word on what it improves?

Also...latency issue IS nvidias drivers NOT sagers or clevo. High DPC has always been an issue with their new releases and they literally just fixed it with 372 for the gtx 1080...along with fixing windowed gsync.

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Long time member, first time poster. I've been really interested in getting a new gaming laptop after a long break since selling my NP8660 about 4 years ago. I really want to get a P650RS and have read this entire thread but a little concerned by the issues people are having since they've been delivered. Are people generally very pleased with the laptop for actually playing games? Or are these issues causing the laptop to be unused or returned?

 

Hmmm ok, I'll look into it as soon as I get it, and I'll post a pic afterwards.

 

As Kittys said: New model should have latst bios. XMG says: "EC_XMG_P507_mit_1060_1.05.02TR1" for 15" Modell with 1060 / "EC_XMG_P507_P707_1.05.02TR1" for 15" model with 1070 or 17" models with 1060/1070.

As to the backlight bleeding. I do not cate to much, but against a black screen expect it to be really bad. At least my model has the worst bleeding I have ever seen on a notebook an I had 3 clevo / 1 Gigabyte and 1 from MSI.

The 6820 might get you some extra FPS/speed in Games ("Anno" for example) or Apps that rely on the CPU a lot. If I had had the option in my 15" I´d had gone for the 6820 - just for the fun of OCing.

About the RAM: I guess you will bearly notice any difference when it comes to gaming. You might notice the faster RAM when you zip or unzip archives though.

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phila

 

Ok, thanks. If by any chance I still have the old one, I'll change.

Damn, that is bad news. Guess it's a matter of luck now.

 

As far I read in my the FAQ of my clevo reseller (mySN), UEFI has to be enabled to asure the system works well with windows > 8.x

Quote: "If you plan on upgrading to Windows 8 oder Windows 8.1 please be sure to activate "UEFI" and "Secure Boot" in the "Boot" section."

This has something to do with the possibility to use GTP partitioning of you HDDs and soe other stuff (all of which I do nt have the slightest idea ;-)

Hm... First of all: I had my P651RS with 6700qh and 1070 sent in yesterday as it always crashed in idle mode. I checked all the drivers but still had those issues. It also has backlight bleeding and does no support 120hz (I`ll certainly get a 120hz monitor with volta ;-).

On the other hand: This 15" notebook performs like a charm. The temps are fine - even out of the box. If not for Prime95 I never hit temps above 75 c with the CPU and never got over 77 C on the GPU in the most demanding games with FPS unlocked.

As my model was one of the fist ones shipped (recived it on 19th of august) I suppose there might have been some BIOS, driver and whatnot issues. Still I am happy with this machine. I`d say: got for it (I as well had my eys on the AORUS X5 V6) but I did not want to wait until it was released, and I am not sure if it will has temps as low as the somewhat thicker P651RS...

My 2 cents

Best regards

phila

Best regards

phila

 

I would think its performing well. My P650RS as well as my friends ships today, so I'll report when I get them. The fan issue shouldn't affect actual performance, and if you aren't using an external display you should be good to go.

 

That's a fair point, but how much of a difference does that make though, considering the 0.4-0.5Ghz OC over the 6700HQ at most while keeping temps and longevity in mind.

 

You're wildly underestimating how easily the 6820HK can be overclocked. You can hit 4GHz on all four cores with an undervolt to 1.25-1.3 and have very reasonable temps with adequate cooling. Even a 0.5GHz OC is a solid 16% over the 3.1 that the 6700HQ can pull.

 

It honestly comes down to if you can keep throttling in check. Liquid metals and kryonaut would be the tims to use for best thermal performance while overclocked based on dissipation rating. But otherwise and potentially even with these youll get throttling when OCing both cpu and gpu or just in something generally intensive. Someone with setup should know more.

Also guys if you care about 120hz panels....or overclocking the IPS please dont go 15 inch.

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I honestly don't have an estimate to begin with, just basing this off of what I managed to find and (somewhat) understand. Define reasonable temps? My concern is like what Kitty mentioned; when factoring in OC'ing the GPU, how long will temps stay reasonable?

I'll do more reading up on this when I get home, but can't beat first hand experience on this so if users could chime in I'll most likely make my decision tonight and make the order tomorrow :3

 

I just installed 372.90 and the same issues are still present. ACPI.sys is going nuts when I plug in an external monitor.

 

I don't own a P6*0, but if it's CPU cooling is anything close to adequate, it should be able to hold a 3.8+ overclock very easily with a decent undervolt and a high quality paste like Gelid or Kryonaut. If you opt for CLU, I have no doubt you'll could hit that target.

 

The only time you would notice any difference is in games that are constrained by the CPU. Most games aren't but there's a few that can be depending on the location in game. The Witcher 3 benefits from a faster CPU mainly in novigrad. The arma series is notorious for being poorly optimized and having complex ai which taxes the CPU pretty hard too. As for ram you will never tell the difference outside of benchmarks. I'd save the money. You can always overclock it anyways.

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To my knowledge the 6700HQ has zero officially supported overclocking bins, although I don't know what the case would be on an unlocked BIOS.

 

i found the problem to the external monitor lag. the Intel drivers don't seem to work right from the Clevo site. i downloaded Intel Driver Update Utility and got them. works great now. here's the link http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html

 

Yea that's a shame will definitely be checking it when I get mine today though.

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Thanks @phila_delphia @Galm17 I had a feeling that was the case, just wanted to be sure as does anyone else who is plunking down $2k or more. I do expect minor issues here and there with any laptop, and especially these being brand new GPUs.

In terms of the specs, I think I've settled on: 1080p, 6700HQ, 16GB RAM. I'm considering getting just one SSD and no HDD, to save weight and heat/power even if only a tiny amount. Does it matter if I put that SSD in the 2.5" bay or the M.2?

 

Completely unrelated to this, since we are running on Discrete mode which disabled the intel GPU. The ACPI driver goes nuts when you use an external display (I found a way around the issue myself, but it seems to not be working for everyone)

BTW, I just got off the phone with Allen @ Sager and he told me that they are having a meeting about these external display issues and have received reports from multiple people about this issue. He also mentioned that they will be reaching out to clevo about this as well if needs be. (Fingers crossed!)

I also asked for the latest bios for this laptop from him, he said he will email it to me, and said he would email me the update when that comes out too, I will post that here when he gets it to me.

 

A couple people indicated they had seen this in an earlier post, but I'm curious how prevalent this issue is. Is anyone else noticing this pixel inversion/vertical banding on the 1080p displays? It's hard to capture by taking a picture of the screen, so here's short video:

And here's a picture taken with my phone:


And another:


It is very noticeable on blues and oranges. It looks like every other column of pixels is brighter than the others, like a vertical pinstripe. It's very noticeable on the intel site: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support.html

 

Got my RMA's unit back yesterday and I'm also experiencing the display lag Restarting with the screen plugged in doesn't help :/ I hope there is a fix soon, because I need an external monitor.

 

it worked great for me. the laptop hasn't worked better since i got it. i had to do something since my temp was so high running dual monitors and playing a game. having just the external monitor on changed the temp by 3 C

 

That's promising. The vendor I'm buying it from has either Gelid or Kryonaut by default, I pick though.

I read that on my search (but didn't know that it affects specifically Novigrad) but couldn't find before and after OC benchmarks. If you happen to know where I could find them that'd be amazing.

 

So I ordered my Defiance III (p650rp) last night and today it's already in "testing" phase, I hope I will get it by next week if things are going this quickly, also ordered a Dell up2516d and can't wait for that too

 

Go Kryonaut! Gelid extreme has a 8.5 W/mK while Kryonaut has 12.5 W/mK for example.... AS5 is claimed to be 8.9 W/mK but it was found out to be a complete lie at around 1 W/mK and ICD7 is 4.5 W/mK

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I second this.

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I only got noticeable vertical banding out past 100hz so I know how it feels I thought I was going crazy at first.

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I ordered mine on 7 September.

 

Hmm... I'm normally running at 60Hz but the other refresh rate available is 48Hz, so after reading your post, I tried that and the banding mostly went away. Something must be faulty with my panel's voltage or something.

 

48hz is intels stupid power savings mode! In igpu panel disable lower refresh power savings to kill 48

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Update from Sager:

"Hi, we just received an EC update. I will send you the BIOS and EC files tomorrow.

Please open the task manager to disable the Geforce experience. Then connect thee external monitor. Let me know the result."


I will share this on this thread once I get the files from him tomorrow, this might be a gamechanger... Also can someone try what he asked, I am not home and it might help!

 

Guys, I have some questions, I ordered my laptop from PCS without windows 10 installed because I have usb thumbdrive and I want to use that. Now, after I install windows 10, I have to download the drivers for the laptop from their website?

 

I don't use Gf EX.., bug still exist

 

Basically yes. Though you could also try using drivers straight from the companies site.(Nvidia, intel, etc)

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Okay but.. where do I find the updated drivers for some of these things?

https://gyazo.com/cd99ebc30a6a6037276c587bdc961ec5

 

Most of those are Intel drivers so just get the Intel driver software that can auto search for anything you need and update. Touchpad is probably synaptic. Not sure on card reader, wouldn't worry about it though if it's working. Also sometimes using non factory touchpad drivers can make things weird

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I ordered without any OS installed. They provided me with a CD that contains all the drivers and utilities. I would recommend to copy them to a USB drive and then install them accordingly. Just to note, the driver for the Intel Wireless (8260) that was provided to me did not work. I had to download them directly from Intel.

You can also download them directly from Clevo
http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_down.asp?lang=en

 

Forgot they include the driver disk. Good advice.

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Can confirm, I ordered my laptop without an OS and I got that disk as well!

 

The problem is that even on my desktop computer I don't have a cd reader haha, I didn't have to use a cd since 2012

 

You might want to grab one of these then:

https://www.amazon.com/Electronics-...GP60NB50/dp/B00C2AMK2M/ref=zg_bs_1292113011_1

 

Even if you guys are running Discrete, odds are your actual output controller is the MH170.

I would absolutely bet on Sager's Intel drivers being 9xx series compatibility drivers, since these would be most likely to have WHQL or whatever.

It's worth moving to the latest chipset drivers, just in case...

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Hi Guys,

Is anyone tried to replace the original fans in P650rs g?
I`ve just got mine 2 weeks ago and i find the fans really loud, and for some reason not adjustable.
Tried to use the custom fan setting in control centre but it just only turn down the fans for 2 second then again goes back to quite high speed, even if its in power saving mode and without any application runing.. Both cpu and gpu is under 50C degree so there is definitely no need to run on this speed..

Using external screen on DP if its matter..

 

There's an issue with the fan controls, so it's either on 0 or 100% (or so I've read). There's new BIOS for that though. A user might have one by tomorrow


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I don't think so. It's more likely that people are unfamiliar with the Sager Control Center. Playing around with that solved it for me...

 

I tried using the Intel driver detection/update utility and all it found was a bluetooth and a wifi driver. I installed them, but no difference. How could I get newer chipset drivers otherwise? I tried manually searching the Intel site for 100 Series/C230 Chipset Drivers, but upon install, it was telling me I already had newer ones!?

 

Intel offer chipset drivers. Nvidia will show you in the control panel which outputs are in control of the dedicated chip.

 

So a bit of an update with the VR/ACPI.sys. I tried rebooting with the Vive connected via HDMI before starting up again, and unlike when I tried to do that with a monitor, this time the ACPI.sys was looking normal... basically it was at 0 after a minute or two. BUT the performance in VR was still terrible. This was in discrete mode. I rebooted into mshybrid mode and it performed much better, but just like before, still was getting some hitching and frame drops when I absolutely shouldn't be.

So this seems to confirm my earlier suspicion that it's not just an ACPI.sys issue. Something else is going on too.

Edit: I did all this after uninstalling GeForce Experience... not sure that actually had anything to do with it, though. I tried the monitor/reboot method again after all this and it was the same as before... ACPI.sys still going nuts. So far the only thing that's gotten ACPI to chill out was rebooting with the Vive via HDMI. I tried rebooting with Vive via MiniDisplay and the ACPI.sys was going nuts.