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Uh... Gsync is working for me on that driver. I was playing blops 3 locked at 58fps for testing. No input lag, no tearing. Either GSync was on or I had a miraculous 10 minutes of gameplay.

 

Weird. Which bios are you using? I've not had it work since I updated. It was working great in every game before with only gsync on. After the update I had terrible tearing in games like tw3 and had to turn vsync on. I'm on xmg bios and ec.

Edit:
If you are capped at 58fps why would turning on vsync effect gsync being on?

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The estimate can shift a fair amount, turning the screen brightness down a bit can have a large impact.

 

Was that directed at me? Yeah I kept it at the lowest brightness that wouldn't cause eyestrain in the room. It was like two ticks from the minimumish.

 

I was just wondering, how is the screen technically not 4K? Not that it matters - I'm just curious.

I was even thinking in a few years I could install a 120Hz 1440p panel if I'm somehow not happy with the 4k panel.

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It's probably pentile so you lose a bit of resolution technically.

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Yeah its an RGBW pentile. The "pixel" count is technically accurate, but the sub pixel groupings are larger and white pixels are shared between groups of RGB pixels. This effectively drops the true resolution by a decent percentage. The effective resolution is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1600p -1800p instead of 2160p. Its still really good. The colors are also much more vivid than I feared. I like the panel, especially since the response time is quicker than the 1080p one haha (25ms vs 16ms).

This diagram shows what I'm talking about: http://www.clivemaxfield.com/diycalculator/imgs/pentile-07.gif

 

My notebook is back from RMA. The "idle shutdown" issues seems gone

The Notebook is more quiet now

But in discrete GPU mode the temps of the GPU are higher (49 Degree after leaving the notebook on for about 1-2 hours).

To me this seem quite high. This is of course due to the lower fan frequency. Still I wonder what long term idle temps you get?

I am thinking about repasting but though I did this four to five times on other notebooks this one seems more complicated.

Anyone knows the link to a dsassemble video of the latest clevo 15", please?

Best regards

phila

 

Idle temps wil be higher in discrete because its on. In mshybrid mode the gpu is literally not getting power. Mines like 28C or something in that mode. Load temps are what you need to worry about are those still fine?

 

Very nice! I'm quite excited about the screen and happy to hear that it works out so nicely!

 

You can also bump up the vividness of colors in Nvidia control panel of you go to the desktop color tab and set it to Nvidia control. I forget the exact name of the slider but it basically makes everything more or less punchy depending on which way you go. Personally I like my colors a bit punchier even if it's less real as I'm used to AMOLED displays on my phone's.

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Sager has no current fix for the external screen lag, and does know anything about updated BIOS or EC. Waiting to hear back from XoticPC about a refund or an exchange. I'm so disappointed....

 

BTW, what does HWiNFO64 tell you about the panel make and manufacturer? I'm curious if I will get the same or a different panel (I don't know if they ever switch manufacturers).

 

I got it calibrated actually, I wanted it to match my desktop monitor. So it's quite accurate right now.

 

Those have not changed - as far as I can tell. I have not had to much time ingame, but they seem to max at 77 Degree with OC active...

So this seems o.k. for me.

Best regards

phila

 

Samsung lffl156fl02-101? @Meaker@Sager what is that? I thought this was it. http://www.panelook.com/LTN156FL02-L01_Samsung_15.6_LCM_overview_23360.html

Also I have bios version 1.05.02, what's the newest?

 

Wow, I may wish I had done this. I take calibration can be done in Windows if you have the right external hardware?

 

Yeah you definitely need the external hardware though lol, that was the hard part. (HID offers this service, Xotic as well if you don't wanna do it yourself)

 

I'm using xmg 1.05.03a I feel like it may have broken gsync for me. Because I could've sworn I was using gsync before I updated to the new bios and I was on the Sager 1.05.03 bios before and the latest Nvidia driver. Maybe it's in my head tho...

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Wow, you did a nice job with your config =)
Definitely the new hotness.

As you know I have almost the exact config with the exception that the paste job is factor IC Diamond. That worries me a bit, though it is a chance to get hands on with the hardware which I generally like.

I'm really encouraged by your experience so far. The display sounds great and even the battery life sounds pretty good. I may get a chance to test drive my new unit for air travel no long after I get it =)

 

I have the same laptop but 1080p and it definitely exceeded my expectations in almost every aspect. Also flash the new EC asap when you get it. It's night and day improvement. Assuming it doesn't come with it. It's actually a bit thinner than I thought.

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Its funny the current bios doesn't bother me at all lol. The default fan profile kicks in too hard but like... It's only when I'd be gaming anyway, not when I'm doing normal work then its silent.

 

Which ec do you have? On my laptop in over clock or auto the fan would kick in pretty high randomly just doing basic things like downloading a game through steam not just gaming. On new ec I'm using the over clock profile and it does a great job of being quiet when I need and cooling it when gaming without going overboard. It's far more granular. Auto fans is quieter but I prefer the slightly better cooling of oc.

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Im not with it right now, where should I check for that?

 

Just hop into bios. It should say at the bottom near where it says bios version. I didn't know where to find this stuff either lol.

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I would probably run everything on hybrid mode since I am using it for gaming and some projects for school.

is the brightness all the way up or the keyboard all lit up to the max because someone said that he can get about the same battery life at 50% - 70% brightness on both the keyboard and display.

 

That is the screen for the 4K panel on the p650rs I did excessive research on this model before choosing it.

 

Does anyone know how much power the Samsung 950 Pro NVMe drive use on your computer and if that effects the battery life massively? I currently removed my 950 pro from my rig and wishing to install it but don't damage my battery life too much...

 

Which, the one I linked is what I've read about but the name I typed has no info.

 

Yah srry for that but this display is my first "4K" display I own since I been used to 1080p and specifically 144hz monitors since they are amazing! But I can sacrifice 144hz for a nice looking image and plus I still have my big rig so im not losing anything!

 

Not specific to this laptop, but I think you guys will know the answer.

What is some of the software that I will need once I get the laptop in the next week? Something for stress testing, something for benchmarking, and maybe something for undervolting the cpu? Is everything else necessary pretty much included with the laptop when it ships? Or is there something else I need to make sure to track down?

I want to make sure to do this "right" whatever that means.

 

I saw some early discussions about the Samsung UHD pentile panel vs the Sharp UHD IGZO panel. I think some Eurocom models offered the option of choosing either.

I think the main difference is that the Sharp panel is "true" 4k while the Samsung is pentile.

I haven't seen the Sharp panel mentioned much recently. Anyone know more about the differences between these panels?

 

cpu stress test -> Prime 95 latest version
cpu oc / undervolting -> intel xtreme tuning utiliy
gpu stress testing -> 3D Mark and or MSI Kombustor
GPU OC -> Afterburner
ATTO -> SSD Benchmark
Best regrds

phila

 

Believe me, I get your frustration. The broken fan profiles and external monitor issue are both significant. In my opinion it is Sager's responsibility to fix the problems. We could patch in some fixes cobbled together by the fine folks on this forum, however these issues don't impact my gameplay enough to push me to do so, or to repaste from the factory IC.

For the time being I'm going to wait for an "official" BIOS/EC update.

I can't even imagine what your average consumer who bought one of these must be thinking. If I didn't have these forums I'd probably have RMA'd mine, too. Because out of the box mine runs hot and too choppy (on an external monitor) for a brand-new 1070 machine.

 

There will never be an "official" BIOS/EC update, not sure if this is your first sager/clevo or not, but they dont release BIOS or EC updates publicly. You have to ask for them, or go to the XMG FTP, its been like that for a few years now, they used to post them and Clevo used to post them as well on their site, but not anymore.(not sure why they dont do this anymore, but that's how its been lately, I have owned 5 sager laptops since 2012)

BTW the EC and BIOS has ZERO affect on the gysnc working or not, that's a software/driver issue, if your frames arent locked on a unlocked framerate game at 60fps with vsync off, gsync is not working, the only way to know its working is if your frames are capped at 60fps on a non framerate capped game with vsync off. The only driver that I got this working on was the official Sager nvidia driver, I tested many other drivers and none of them worked before and after the bios update.

 

Okay this is how it was working for me in the past. I assume the Sager video drivers are the only ones that work with gsync then ATM?

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Unfortunately yes, I have hope that maybe the Gears of War 4 or the Battlefield 1 driver will fix this, we will have to wait and see unfortunately, for the time being I have resorted to using vsync and disabling gsync in the control panel since it caused flickering in my games if I left it on with the newer drivers.

Heck on my 2nd sager laptop (NP7330) we had worse issues with nvidia drivers. No driver that they released for a while (a month or two) worked at all with that model. (GTX 765M) And the only place you could get it from other than the disc they sent with the laptop was Clevos website. (I remember it literally took hours to download)

 

Yeah it's my first Sager. So XMG is a reseller, correct? Why are they producing BIOS/EC updates?
From a consumer standpoint my laptop was released with a bad BIOS/EC and that's why I assumed Sager would update them. Since they're not going to I'll just load the XMG versions. Do they typically go through multiple iterations? I'd rather not do this very often as I'm no expert.

Sager does update the video drivers, though?

 

Yep, XMG is a reputable clevo reseller. Not sure honestly why they are the only site that posts them (I dont complain though), but they are the only place online that you will find any bios updates for this laptop or any clevo laptop. (their driver selection is usually more up to date than sagers is)

Over time you will see newer and newer bios and EC releases until they move on to a newer model (especially with the laptop being as new as it is right now), I would only worry about updating until you are happy with your laptop. (dont worry about the XMG logo when you flash the XMG bios, they are all signed by clevo and are legit and wont void your warranty)

Sager does, but they are usually slower than XMG is at posting updates, Clevo's site has the latest stuff but it takes AGES to download from there and XMG usually is pretty up to date so I usually go with their site over sager or clevo.

But its like any OEM (HP or Dell or the like) for a laptop, their drivers are usually old and dont get updates unless a new windows version is released or some major bug is found.

 

I believe that G-Sync is broken.

A while back they used to run G-Sync under the "Vertical Synchronization" options and then made it independent from that. NVidia admits it themselves, and says that the reason was so people running G-Sync could enjoy less input lag when frames exceed that of the monitor. Makes sense.

The best alternative after they changed that was to limit your FPS to about 1 frame per second lower than your refresh rate to ensure G-Sync worked (and not needing V-Sync) to have that beautiful look and feel of G-Sync. Makes sense.

Sadly, the last three driver patches messed that up and using frame limiting software causes tearing on the bottom of many users screens even though FPS is within G-Sync range.

This guy did a great job writing this up and presenting it into the NVidia community if you want to take a look:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/965224/gsync-not-working-100-/#4986314

 

Yes, I also thought it was only Vsync. So in my testing, I capped the framerate to some values like 45, 47, 50, etc and still NO tearing. Now for what I know if it is only Vsync, my fps SHOULD downclock to 30. But only it didn't. Vsync working in any other FPS than screen hz/N (where N is a positive integer) IS GSYNC, right?

 

I wish XoticPC and Sager would get my frustration I spoke personally to the head Sager tech, and he said he was aware of the issue and that they are working on a fix.

I'm not sure if I should wait or just get a refund, and then reorder the laptop again in a few weeks.

 

It depends on the game tested whether or not it will lock at 30fps if 60 isn't achieved. I've had games that fluctuate down on desktop and don't lock down at 30. I'm assuming this means they use something like triple buffering. A good test would be disable vsync. And cap fps below 60 and see if you get tearing. If you do, gsync isn't working.

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In that reference link I posted on the previous page people were doing that same exact thing. People responding were using FPS limiters and running FPS anywhere from 1-40 FPS below monitor refresh rate with G-Sync On and V-Sync Off and still getting tearing.

Something has to be up with the driver's because everyone that responded to that post, including me, had zero issues previously.

 

Yea that's what I'm saying too. I may go back to the old driver.

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If you have the patience to find a working driver, please let us know which one it is.

 

Guys, only one question about the P670RS.
Is it able to mount a total of 2x 2.5 inch sata devices?
From this pic it seems yes!



I should mount an "old" 2.5 ssd that I already own, in combo with the canonical 1tb hd.
I'll buy the notebook from italy and Santech (our "local reseller") doesn't allow to choose 2 hard disks in the configuration page.. :/
So I'm a bit confused.
What about a compare with the Clevo p775dm1?
I'm looking for the best dissipation system available under 2k euros.
That's my only and biggest priority (except for the double 2.5inch slot) to keep the 1060 cold enough to make the notebook live at least 4 or 5 years.
Which one of these 2 models is better ?
There's a difference of 300 bucks here in italy between P670 and P775..

 

2 7mm drives fit. I have a 2.5mm 850 EVO SSD and the factory 1TB 7200 RPM drive in mine.

 

IMO, this is completely acceptable. I can only hope mine comes in this same condition!

Almost forgot, mine will be at my house within 2 weeks I was told. There seems to be a backorder on the 6820HK, but it's worth the wait to me.

 

I hope the 8153 I reviewed that I RMA'd for IPS light bleeding looks half that good.