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Freesync is only to do with AMD GPUs.

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Try Gooface's update. Maybe it'll work for you....

 

There's about a 0% chance this is a bad "batch". It's almost certainly a firmware, driver/environment, or hardware design issue, most likely one of the first two.

 

The impression I got from everyone here is that the external monitor lag is a software issue rather than hardware. Did Sager confirm it was otherwise? Because if it is a software issue my inclination would be to ride it out and wait for a fix - I don't often use an external monitor. But if it is a hardware issue then it is more serious.

 

I got that impression too, but people with exactly the same system and drivers were not having the same. I last reached out to Sager a week ago, to ask for an update, and never heard back. The re-re-seller also asked them, and said they were waiting to hear back from them.

I don't necessarily mean the whole line is a "bad batch". I just mean that there is obviously a problem with a small amount of them, and it not being a larger issue means its just an anomaly. Maybe the UPS man was a little too rough, or something like that.

If yours works 100%, then awesome

 

Right, but in that case it could be monitor-related with software being weird with some models. Or something else. Some people are saying that this only happens when you keep your laptop screen on, etc. I guess I am leaning towards software issue, but like everyone would like more information.

I am getting mine on Tuesday, so I will make sure to test it. But I guess even in case it causes high CPU usage with an external monitor I am inclined to keep it and wait for a fix. But obviously if you are using it with an external monitor every day that's not an option.

 

I heard that as well, but keeping the laptop screen off didn't work for me. I also tried different screens and using different inputs/outputs. I literally tried everything I could think of, or that the techs recommended, or anything suggested on a forum. I look forward to buying it again, at a later stage.

 

sad external monitor bug, only this making me sad about my clevo. Btw xmg got same bug or not

 

I'm past the RMA stage with mine, as I've had it for more than a month. Xotic's return policy is two weeks.

 

Unfortunately, nothing you've said proves it is a hardware bug though... That's the nightmare of firmware and software, behavior can be different from system to system and it can be very hard to figure out why.

 

Is this not covered by warranty?

 

Abnormal system behaviour would be covered, I suggest reaching out and discussing options with support.

 

I had same process loading PC like external monitor, when I had driver problems with my killer network adapter.
So, maybe, in future it will be fixed with drivers updates too!.

 

Ok my friends , my NP8153 has finished the first bug free 24 hours, my system is with 4K monitor and the image quality is beyond what every one suggest, the image quality is great, there are two small light bleeding spots directly above hinges each is less than quarter an inch, the black isn't pitch black but still black, the touch pad is not among the best and not the worst but I don't like it, the keyboard has some nice travel distance and it's nice to feel that you are pressing a button not hitting the base plate with your fingers, the light is nice but I can't be a fair judge why? because I will compare it to my Logitech G910 Orion Spark and that can never be fair, The GTX 1070 and the Core i7 6700HQ drive the monitor to play Tomb Raider with wired 2560x1600 DPI and got temp less than 70C for CPU and 60C for the GPU. Only problem is the battery life. I love this laptop and it looks like I got the perfect game to play on it (Thanks Xotic, nVidia and Sager for the Gears of War4 Key), The battery life out of the box is about 3 - 3.5 Hours and that is fairly low.
Clevo, Sager and the resalers can make an application that run the ultimate power saving mode that shut down any unused hardware and stop the background apps, drop resolution of the 4Ks to 1080P so we can get 5 hours of using internet and running office applications from the battery without any external power source.

 

Sounds like an excellent laptop!

I have been warned that it is hard to go beyond 4 hours with this type of laptop. The hardware is very demanding. Are you getting over 3 hours with the discrete graphics running? I would consider that quite good but perhaps not if you are running on internal graphics.

 

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No I can't go beyond the 3.5 hours mark I tested it for an hour and the laptop finished the hour with battery meter of 72%

 

Panel sounds almost the same as mine. On MSHybrid mode with the iGPU and power saver on it should be more like 4 hours. Also dropping the screen to 1080p doesn't save any power unless you literally turned 3/4 of the pixels off which running at 1080p doesn't do lol. It may save a tiny bit of power by the gpu not having to render quite as much, but it won't be significant.

 

I have a Strange issue last 4 days now with my p670rp-g. Sometimes i cant shut down programs like steam or chrome and other stuff they just freeze but i can still surf anf lising to Music when i do ctrl+alt delete and try force close nothing happens And even that Window freeze too. And i and up restarting the laptop by pushing the button becuse i cant turn it off true Windows. Anyone having some issue?

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Hi guys,

I already reported on wednesday that I finally received my new P670RS-G - thanks again for the help in setting the nvidia driver up correctly. After a clean install of Windows 10 I started to download some games to check the tempretures of the system and in games like Crysis 3 or Far Cry Primal my CPU reaches about 83 degrees celsius in Crysis 3 and about 75 degrees celsius in Far Cry. What is concerning me right now however is the GPU temprature - the GPU reaches about 90 degrees celsius after 30 minutes of playing - I use the "automatic" fan mode. In the shop I ordered my laptop I could choose the thermal paste that would be applied so I went with gelid solutions gc-extreme. What do you guys think about the GPU Temp?

Other than that I absolutely love the look and feel of the laptop and I am absolutely happy to have picked it up!

 

If those temps concern you, hit Fn+1 for jet engines max fans. If that's too loud or doesn't solve the problem, you can repaste if you think the reseller botched the paste job or check heatsink mounting alignment with the die, switch to a liquid metal paste if you're comfortable with them, or undervolt/underclock your GPU.

 

I also have p670 with 1060. Even with stock paste I wasn't getting close to 80c on gpu or cpu running games and benchmarks for over an hour. 90c seems really high. Seems high even for a 1070. I repasted with gc extreme and got 3-4c drop.

What is your ambient temp? Try elevating the notebook so it is easier for the intake fans on the bottom to get air. Def try max fans but I think you need to repaste.



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I think I am going to try to repaste or undervolt the GPU! thanks for your feedback!

ambient temp is at 24 degrees celsius. Thanks for your advice about elevating the notebook, definitely gonna try this out and see if temps improve!

 

Is the 4k screen IPS?

 

Hot off the press, new bios just got sent to me from Sager:

https://www.mediafire.com/?379ejncc6ob6nfe


Let me know if it fixes any of the issues people have been experiencing (like the high CPU usage issue with external displays)

Instructions from Sager:

If you flash this bios you will be on 1.05.04

Also I uploaded Control Center 5.0001.0.85 (from Clevo's Asia server which took hours...) here, might fix thing as well:

https://www.mediafire.com/?7w6n8j396hb1m2n

 

Is P650RP6 compatible with this bios?
I have installed 0.85 for two days now, haven't notice any changes tho. If I have time I'll check for the external monitor prob.

 

Overwatch VSYNC is disabled for all of the below:
With GSYNC+NVCP VSYNC enabled Overwatch is giving me ~74 fps with avg 24ms SIM/input delay [no/little tearing]
With GSYNC+NVCP VSYNC disabled Overwatch is giving me ~84 fps and avg 11.8ms SIM/input delay [with tearing]
With GSYNC disabled+NVCP VSYNC enabled Overwatch is giving me ~74 fps and avg 20ms input delay [no/little tearing]
With GSYNC and OW frame limiter set to 73fps I get 13.8ms and very very little tearing at the bottom.

And of course turning off GSYNC, NVCP VSYNC and adjusting Overwatch to max at 300fps gives me ~200fps with avg 4.8ms SIM/input delay [with tearing]

I have the P670 with 75hz on the display, what should I make of this? Keep GSYNC and NVCP VSYNC enabled?

Edit: Tried the new 10/6 Nvidia drivers. Same results.

 

Do people still use DDU to remove old drivers for clean install?

 

Did your try Gsync OFF and Vsync ON to compare the delay with Gsync?

 

I assume this BIOS works if your laptop has a GTX 1070 (15" or 17") or GTX 1060 (17") just like the previous releases.

So sadly I don't think it will work on that laptop. I don't understand why they have two different bios set's like this.

You could test it and see if it works or not, the worst than should happen is it errors out saying its not for your system.

 

Just tested. Same results as GSYNC+NVCP VSYNC enabled. sigh

 

All I did was uninstall and reinstall the Intel Chipset drivers (latest version), and I no longer have any CPU issues with an external monitor connected (ACER WQHD via HDMI). Total CPU usage with nothing open is between 1% and 3%.

 

UPDATE: THE ACPI issue is gone with that latest BIOS I posted, I repeat the issue is gone

I also suggest updating to the latest Nvidia Driver and Control Center. (could be a combo of the BIOS, CC update, and nvidia update IDK) The external monitor issue is completely gone now, no more high CPU usage after you plug your laptop into an external display.

To those that lost hope, there is hope now, it is fixed, HAPPY FLASHING

 

Now those are some bloody awesume news

 

I still suggest updating to the latest BIOS,CC, and nvidia driver.

 

Looks like you are in same boat as me. Gsync doing nothing.

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Yep and the latest drivers dont make any difference either... Maybe the BF1 driver will if there is one, if not I am sure there will be a FF XV driver.

 

I haven't pushed yet as I'm still on the fence with this laptop. Mostly I'm waiting a bit to see if we can solve the problems with BIOS/driver updates. And it looks like there's progress.

On an unrelated note - I've got what is probably a ridiculously stupid question. How do I change my display settings with an external monitor? It's all washed-out looking and I'd like to set up a color profile or something like that. I go to Nvidia Control Panel but when I choose the external monitor every single option is greyed out.

 

Are you on Discrete or Hybrid?

 

So basically ATM. Gsync is completely broke. Regardless of driver right :/

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Only works on the stock Sager drivers for me, everything else kills it.

 

Even that doesn't fix it for me. The Sager drivers turn on vsync in Nvidia cp. I tried it just yesterday and still get tearing

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Flashed my P670 with 1060 and updated CC. Only complaint now is "style note". Thanks!

 

Great to hear, yup "style note" is the mark of the stock Clevo bios, I kinda miss that XMG screen but I am over it..

 

Such a bummer. Gsync with NVCP VSYNC performs "worse" (~4ms difference in SIM) than NVCP VSYNC w/o Gsync

 

Thanks goo - you guys are getting clevo/sager to fix the issues.
Guess nvidia gsync is the remaining current major issue.
Hope the external monitor issue is really fixed for all.
'Hotrod' age of laptops or not, for $2k I expect a 'finished' product.
I mean, I can by a 'hotrod Tesla' !!
Maybe I won't have to wait for next model release...

 

Set a frame-cap at 73fps with G-Sync on (V-Sync on/off doesn't matter) and see what happens. Should clear up that input lag without tearing.

Furthermore, the 17" panels are usually good overclockers. You may be able to push it to 90hz+.

 

Flashed my P670RS with 1.05.04 bios and external monitor bug is gone!

 

Tested. Definitely less tearing than before. Instead of 2 tearing sections (mid and bottom) I just get much less tearing near the bottom. 13.8ms SIM which is expected with a lower framerate. I can live with this; thank you very much.

Any idea why Gsync off and NVCP VSYNC enabled looks so much better?

 

It depends on the reseller I guess since most of the resellers are putting in PLS Samsung 4K screens and someone said a reseller is providing a IPS 4K screen but no confirmation yet. To me 4K PLS is fine!

 

If you're showing 2 tears on the screen at such a relatively low framerate, G-Sync is not functioning properly. For some reason Overwatch is rendering to TWO frame-buffers before display, which is the only way you can get multiple tears without being at similar multiples in frame-rate.

Are you sure Overwatch is running in proper dedicated full-screen mode? Many newer games these days assume borderless fullscreen mode in which case G-Sync is disabled by default. If it is using a borderless mode, try double-checking that G-sync windowed mode is enabled.