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Give the over clock fan profile a shot. I noticed much better temps!

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I did it. Its done. I just pulled the trigger on a 650rs 4k took. From hid. With cool labs liquid metal on the cpu.

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Nice!
I'll probably order mine soon as well, but I'm caught on the fence between the 4k and the 1080p screen. I'll be coming from a 15' Macbook pro Retina and I'm not sure how much I'll be able to tell the difference between that screen and the 1080p one on the Clevo. I'm also concerned about the scaling issues for apps/windows 10 on the 4k screen. What do you guys think?

 

What exactly are people using to set fan profiles? Clevo CC or something else?

 

I personally went with 1080p. Consumes less power, and IMO, now is not the time to go 4k, given the hardware. Also gives you piece of mind that games will still look on at 1080p (as the hardware is not powerful enough to run games at 4k, max settings).

 

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/g-sync/faq

 

Thank you but still no answer on my questions...

 

Gsync synchronizes your FPS to your monitor refresh rate. It prevents the image from 'tearing' (FPS going higher than the refresh rate). It makes the game run/look smoother.

You can disable it if you would like. You will actually have to for some games (it doesn't work for ESO for me).

I think it will actually make your GPU run cooler. Instead of it running to max out FPS, it will keep it at a consistent 60fps.

Its a nice feature to have, but not a game changing feature.

 

I had the same tough decision. I compared LPCDigital and HIDevolution for roughtly the same configuration and HID was more expensive. I ultimately decided on HID for two reasons:

1. In house support. You can talk directly to the people who build and support your hardware at HID. It doesn't get sent back to the Sager factory for indirect support (I will say that this is why you want @Larry@LPC-Digital as he is your support advocate if you buy a Sager system).
2. Thermal paste. When I originally research this laptop I saw that a number of people were having thermal issues and had to repaste their P650RS (or in some cases repaste their friend's P650RS). The factory paste job seemed to be a crap shoot. I decided right away that I would repaste the system if I got a Sager, but then I felt like I was getting in over my head. I certainly didn't trust myself with liquid metal paste. The fact that HID offers liquid metal paste under warranty support was a huge factor in my decision (FYI thanks @Donald@HIDevolution for handling my system purchase!)

Point 2 is really the main factor for me and I will say that based on the temperatures I'm seeing my decision was a good one (so far).

 

I'm gonna try to repaste, worst case scenario I'll have to send it back to my reseller due to my awful application lol.

I think I'd stick with kryonaut, since it's still supposed to be superior to ICD. Should be fine with it or ICD works better in this model for some specific reason?

 

Um, I have the 4K display. Witcher 3 on Ultra settings runs beautifully at 4K. At least to my eyes. The hardware holds up very well.

 

Not exactly. Vsync syncs monitor refresh and fps. Gsync dynamically adjusts the refresh rate of the monitor to match the fps. If you drop below 60fps on a 60hz display using vsync, it will lock fps to 30. Gsync doesn't do this so it actually makes games feel smoother if you experience fps dips. It also doesn't cap the fps. You can tell gsync is working when you get really low frame rates like 20 and you can actually start to notice the screen flashing slightly because it's also running at 20hz. Hopefully this clarifies it a bit. I left some stuff out but it's a general explanation.

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Does it run at 30fps at least? I'm looking at youtube videos for other games; Battlefield 1 for instance, is running at around 23-25 fps at 4K (highest settings).

 

This video explains G-Sync, V-Sync and Fast Sync

 

close enough lol

 

Most of the time I get 60FPS with occasional drop downs to 30FPS. This is according to MSI afterburner. I actually never notice the drops to 30, maybe that is when I have the game paused and a menu open or something? The game is surprisingly smooth (and I have to say stunning looking at 4K).

 

The reason ICD is preferred is that it has a higher viscosity. The laptop differs from typical desktop applications because it requires some work to get the heat sink perfectly flat against the cpu and gpu dies. This is confounded by the small space to work in and the fact that both heat sinks are connected together via a heat pipe. When the heat sink is no perfectly flat against the die you are more likely to have "pump out" (i.e. paste all over the inside of your machine and high temps). From what I've read, ICD is less likely to pump out than other less viscous TIMs.

I believe HIDevolution uses CLLU because it is a more viscous liquid metal paste, but that is just conjecture on my part. I don't know if it would be harder to get a good outcome using Conductonaut (or naut heh).

 

So initial impressions on the P650RS - It's huge! I'm not sure where or how they measure the .4 inch difference in height compared to the Razer, but it's really about twice as thick overall. Fortunately does seem to only weigh a 1.5 lbs more. I'll have to see how easy it is to pull in and out of a laptop bag on a regular basis since I move around at work quite a bit.

Screen looks good. Could be a little brighter, but colors are fine. Ive read of some people having a yellowish tint, but I dont see that at all (I did get the calibration). Minimal backlight issues, though this doesnt bother me really.

Keyboard will take some getting used to. Not sure why, but I kept mistyping (and I don't type super fast).

I was sitting in a really hot room (80-85 degrees) and my first Firestrike run hit 91 on the CPU without max fans. With max fans, Firestrike and Firestrike Ultra hit around 75 on CPU, and 69 on GPU. I will have to rerun at normal room temps, but seems like if I am keeping it no repaste needed yet.

Games run great. With 4K, no need for AA really. I also dont play a lot of FPS, so I dont need it to be 120Hz (have DTR and Desktop for that). Rise of the Tomb raider benched at 44 on high preset. NBA 2K17 runs flat out at 60 with Vsync and gsync on. Will try a few others this weekend after I get everything else set up, including Doom and Gears of War 4. And Starcrafft if I can ever find the time to finish it

Too soon to say about the verdict though. I really like the screen and the 1070. Not sold yet on the form factor. BTW, build quality is pretty good. Lid is surprisingly a little wobbly - not the hinges, but the lid itself. Not used to that coming from Alienware, then the P870DM3 and the Razer. I'm guessing this is the thinnest and lightest 1070 out there. Please let me know if I'm wrong ... I suppose I could also consider the MSI GS43VR or GS63VR but then I lose the 1070 and the CPU ... or go back to Razer.

 

Gigabyte has a thinner and lighter 1070, but its hotter and louder. Build quality is a little spotty too.

 

I believe that the thinnest and lightest GTX 1070 equipped laptop is an Aorus X5 v6

 

Remember that not all 1070s will be created equal, TDP levels will vary.

 

If I remember correctly, the Gigabyte p35x is thinner than the Aorus x5.

EDIT: Yes the gigabyte laptop is thinner at 20.9mm vs 22.9mm
EDIT2: For those who still use the imperial system (Pretty much just America) that's 0.82" vs 0.90"

 

My nvidia driver menu seems very dumbed down. I don't have the v-sync "fast" option. Anyone know what's going on?

 

Try using nvidia inspector to set fast sync

 

Hi guys. Has anyone noticed a big difference in fan noise between mshybrid and discrete mode? When I switch it to discrete mode the fans are always pretty loud even if GPU utilization is 0%. Maybe this has to do with some power settings in nVidia Control Panel? It is completely quiet if I go into hybrid mode, so I am pretty sure it is the GPU that is generating heat and forcing the fans to work even at idle. Under load, in games or with benchmarks, the GPU does not go above 70-75 degrees, so I don't think the issue is a bad paste job or anything.

 

Yes, I have noticed this. I'm sure it has something to do with how I have my power/performance settings configured within the Nvidia Control Panel, but I haven't tested empirically.

 

@Kenny Garreau Cheers. I'll play around with it sometime this weekend and I will let you know if I find anything. If you discover anything yourself let me know.

 

Any word on availability of 120hz panels?

 

If you set the Power Management in the NVCP to High Performance, the GPU is always running at a high clock which explains the increased fan noise.

Set it to Optimal, and the GPU almost doesn't work when there is nothing happening on the screen. Set it to adaptive, and it only ramps up when it needs to.

 

FWIW, after 5 or 6 weeks of owning a P650RS and using it every day, I regret getting the 4k screen. I have a new baby in the house, so there hasn't been a lot of time for gaming, but i've managed some.

Colours, viewing angles are fine, but I compared it with my dads Dell xps13 with 4k, and the sharpness and clarity on his was MILES better, in fact that it what made me choose the 4k in the first place.

Gaming, Witcher 3, Mechwarrior Online, Far cry4 all run at 4k, but I struggle to read in game menus and HUD items. Maybe my eyes aren't good enough...

the biggie though: the scaling is very poor. I thought if i struggled, I could just set the screen to run at 1080p, but when I do that, it just looks BAD, fuzzy and blurred. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I'd love someone to tell me "oh you need to set so and so this way" and fix it, here's hoping... Currently it's bad enough that I'm looking to buy a new external monitor... I wish I had the extra £100 that the 4k upgrade cost me, to put towards it... sigh.

Performance and temperature wise- very happy, but very dissapointed with the screen. If I could return it, I would.

 

Do this and tell me if it gets any better:

• Windows 10 DPI Fix

Note: First set the DPI Scaling back to the default 100%

Now, run the tool and then reboot

Now set the DPI Scaling that you want, I recommend 200% or 250% for your screen. Then logoff and relogon and check if things get any better

 

I am 99% sure this is correct since it started happening after I changed some settings in NVCP. So what exactly is the difference between adaptive and optimal? And are there other settings in the NVCP I should look at and tweak?

 

I just told you bro.

Optimal - GPU is almost idle / not working at all if there is no screen activity but it does cripple the performance as I've seen on some systems

Adaptive - GPU runs at a lower clock speed than the full high performance but bumps up on demand

Think if it like the Balanced vs the High Performance mode in power management

Your CPU runs at 800 mhz or so in balanced mode and randomly bumps up to full speed depending on the load. In High Performance, it always run at full clock speed

 

Thank you for the quick response. Before I try this, can you clarify, is this to make things look better at 1080p? My biggest issue at 4k is that Remote Desktop (which I use all the time for work) doesn't seem to scale AT ALL, so it's minute and unuseable. I've been using RoyalTS to manage my remote desktop sessions because it does scale things, but it makes them blurry too :/

 

please read the link I gave you. It shows you the problem with the scaling method in Windows 10

You see, in Windows 7, when you apply a scaling setting, it applies the scaling to EVERYTHING. In Windows 10, some things are scaled and others are not which causes the issues you may be having.

This method enables you to run at 4K whilst having scaling so things aren't super small and look AS IF you were running at 1080P. The best of both worlds.

That tool makes Windows 10 use the old Windows 7 / 8 DPI scaling which was far better.

I feel sorry for all those people out there who buy a 4K screen and don't know this little trick to make scaling work as it's intended

 

You can set the resolution under Options->Display to 1080p, then once connected, you can right click the top left icon and zoom to 200%. It won't be full-screen, but it should be usable at least.

 

Thank you Phoenix, I've applied that fix, and I think it does look sharper, however I can't increase the scaling past 200%, which is a bit small for me, you recommended 250%, but the app only goes to 200%, am I missing something? I probably am, it's been a long day and the baby didn't let me sleep much last night...

 

Oh I think there was a 250% option on Windows 8

Ill PM you

 

Big thank you to Phoenix, who's helped me fix the scaling issue I was having, I'm much happier with the screen now. Thanks dude!

 

Thank you for reporting your success story.

The reason he was not seeing a display scaling more than 200% with the DPI Fix is because on their site surprisingly the author has listed the v2.1 version although Major Geeks has a newer 2.2 version which he submitted to them. Download from the Major Geeks Server NOT from the Author's site link:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_10_dpi_fix.html

 

Hi, I have recently gotten a P65xRS, sure I had my problems with backlight bleed and that pesky Killer 1535. My retailer agreed to change the Killer 1535 to an Intel 8260 for me soon.

Now I have issues with undervolting and was wondering if anyone here could help.

Attached is my TS apparent settings, I am not sure why the temps and VID is still so high

 

Are you still having this problem?

Are you connected to an external monitor? I am pretty much always connected to an external only and I had quite a bit of trouble with NVCP not allowing me to change advanced settings. I'll be honest - I don't know what I did to make it work but eventually with enough playing around it finally let me.

 

This may be obvious, but also double-check that you are in discrete rather than hybrid mode - the settings you can change are different.

 

Very close to pulling the trigger on this laptop, but I'm not sure if I can part ways with my Late 2013 15' MacBook Pro Retina and OS X. I've really come to love the MBPr form factor and OS, I'm not sure if the potential bump in performance is worth it.

 

There is no comparison. This stomps all over any MacBook

 

Spec wise, definitely, but when you factor in OS, aesthetics, portability, battery life, screen, build quality I feel like the choice isn't as clear cut for me.

 

^Question is, what do you value in a laptop? People who generally value portability, and aesthetics (and Final Cut Pro; yup, there are people who think Final Cut Pro is worth the price of admission for the new Macbooks) go for Macs; everyone else gets a Windows PC.

 

yeah true, it's two totally diff. things. What do you want to do on your laptop is that what matters when making such a choice.

 

I do light gaming like World of Warcraft, Overwatch, League of Legends etc but also I do audio engineering and music production with Ableton Live and Pro Tools. Both those applications are available on Windows I'm just worried about lugging this thing around to peoples houses and the studio.

 

Looks like we'll need to prioritize your livelihood: since it seems like your tools can be used in Windows, as long as you're fine with carrying around something much heavier (but still manageable; I don't work out, but I can at least lug something like this around for at least 2 hours straight) than a Mac Book, and will always be near some power source, then this laptop will work for you.