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And I'll be happy to be the guinea pig for the P650SG too. See how the Clevo handles cooling of the 980M inside that. HTWingnut has already done extensive testing of the P650SE with 970M and that handled cooling just fine so the chances are looking very good for the P650SG. I still intend to get around to finishing off my review of the P35X v3 as best I can, I've had enough time spent with it to give a fairly detailed opinion (just have to try and not go off on a raging tangent when describing the Intel AC 7260!). I still have lots of coursework deadlines in the first half of this week, but after that I'm free to write a review of the P35X v3, regrettably send it off back to OC UK and start counting down the minutes to the 'early December' delivery estimate for the P650SG

I'm very lucky to have enough savings in the bank to be able to afford to preorder the P650SG from Scan before the refund for the P35X v3 from OC UK is processed. So in all likelihood as soon as I hear back from OC UK tomorrow regarding confirmation of my plans to return, that will be the green light for me to preorder the Clevo from Scan. And then abuse the F5 button of my poor old Clevo P170SM when viewing the tracking page

 

Should totally help with an order for me since no US sellers here have what I want and have it shipped straight to my place! I'll pay for it all.

 

I've just heard word from jb7 over on the main 900M series thread that Scan currently have nowhere near enough orders of the 4K panel to stock them at all, even though it is still listed on their website currently. He got in contact with them on Friday so the situation probably hasn't changed.

Very unfortunate. This makes things... complicated.

Assuming they still don't have anywhere near enough orders to go ahead with it that leaves me with these options;

1) 3K IPS matte (4K is inferior Samsung PLS)... and AC 7260 from pcspecialist, errr :S (or a wait until after Christmas for Killer 1525 - which is too long to wait for me)
2) 4K IPS from MYSN - I'm not a big fan of their sandblasted finish or their added XMG branding though :/
3) I don't think Scan's 1080p panel is IPS or else surely they would have mentioned it on their website like they did for the 4K screen so looks like they would be out of the running display needs to be an IPS at the minimum.

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Have you tried asking PC specialist if they can put a older 6235N or something instead of 7260ac from their stock?

 

DisplayPort was designed to be a 4 channel, serialized, point-to-point (system to single, end-device) digital interface that usually carries video, audio and, optionally, USB compatible bus ("dumb, half duplex"). Most devices designed for DisplayPort are going to be end display devices with optional audio and possibly some devices that communicate via USB and/or have an USB hub. Many VESA standards and use cases are still being built around DisplayPort.

Thunderbolt adds a full, high-speed I/O bus using a full duplex, single PCI Express channel (PCIe x1), and some peripheral intelligent (e.g., a bit like IEEE 1394 FireWire in API/controls), along with power, in addition to being pin-out and backward compatible with DisplayPort for some other functions. Most specifically, Thunderbolt v1 is DisplayPort 1.1 compatible and v2 is 1.2 compatible, respectively. I.e., 2.5K and 4K display on a single connector, respectively.

But no, unless it says Thunderbolt, DisplayPort doesn't talk Thunderbolt. It's not something the user can change. I.e., either the port is bridged to a PCIe x1 channel, with all the added controls and commandset, or it's not.

Only Apple seems to be offering this, while Intel continues to be way, way behind on adopting Thunderbolt, or even DisplayPort for matter -- especially compared to AMD in the latter case. E.g., AMD has included DisplayPort in everything, even their low-cost, low-power, SFF and other mainboards for APUs, for years now.

 

Thanks for the thorough explanation. IMO it's regrettable that Windows PCs haven't adopted Thunderbolt like Macs have.

 

Is any US reseller shipping any P65x yet? That seems to be a bigger issue.

Blame Intel. They've been behind on DisplayPort too. But is that any different than IEEE 1394 FireWire before?

I.e., remember, block devices were never supposed to exist for USB, only FireWire, per Intel's own agreements and support for IEEE 1394. But they failed to ship it in SouthBridges, so any manufacturer that wanted to include it had to add an external chip.

Intel's lack of putting even DisplayPort connectors in their reference designs are in stark contrast to AMD's reference, $30 mainboards (and even sub-$100 mainboads with low-power, quad-core APUs) including them as standard -- for several years now.

So if Intel won't even put DisplayPort on their boards, why would they even consider Thunderbolt? History repeats itself, they just don't redesign their peripheral controllers often, let alone often fab at 40nm (or larger) sizes sans for low-power.

 

Indeed. Always the short end of the stick over here in terms of availability.

 

just send mysn an email that ud like to put in an order without the xmg branding, not a biggie and definitely possible with them

 

I heard that the 980m was delayed until the 9th of December?

 

between 3 and 9 december for the ressellers to get the p650SG

 

Have you tried emailing them about whether or not they can exclude the XMG branding off of your order? Some Sager resellers (e.g. XoticPC) offer the option in their configurators of removing all Sager branding. Maybe Schenker offers this option as well but to only to customers who ask them about it...

And also, I know tastes in finishes are subjective but why don't you like the sandblasted finish? The fact that the brushed finish gets smudged by our fingers more easily makes me gravitate towards the sandblasted finish. Don't you mind that?
The sandblasted finish also doesn't have the chrome accents on the back vents, which in comparison gives it a more subdued look overall, also a plus for me. Perhaps you want the more eye catching version?

 

You can buy without branding according to their FAQ...

http://mysn.co.uk/support/index.php...0/can-i-order-an-unbranded-xmgschenker-laptop

 

Does pcspecialist ship to the US? The only reason I want them is because I want a 3k matte screen IPS not a 1080p TN...

If they don't ship to the US, is it possible to install a 3k matte screen on my own like what we were talking about earlier? Someone had a 1080p glossy waiting for the laptop to arrive so that they could switch it out since it doesn't come with a glossy one. Is it possible to do this with a 3k screen to? Are the pin connectors the same and such?

 

We only have to hope that the screen is easily replaced. PCSpecialist does not ship to US.

 

Now that I'm thinking about it more, the branding is growing on me. I guess they have to add something to it to give something visually interesting to look at, as the sandblasted finish is not exactly all that exciting. I hadn't noticed those chrome accents before you mentioned it - they do look rather out of place. My main concern is durability I think. One of the main reasons why I have decided to return my Gigabyte P35X v3 is the vulnerability of its anodized aluminium surface - I have already managed to produce a (albeit barely visible) nick in the palm wrest area by accidentally dropping a USB cable from a couple of inches height. My old Clevo P170SM has faced similar accidental USB drops and survived unscathed. This is why I want a more durable finish on the Clevo, one of my reasons to make the switch.

So this begs the question; is sandblasted more durable than brushed, or vice versa?

The lack of a dead pixel guarantee is still a slight worry though...

Good to know I have the option if I choose to do so, thanks for the info

 

Aluminium interfaces will show scratch marks. It doesn't matter it's sandblasted or brushed.

 

All I know is that the aluminium surface of my P170SM seems more durable than the aluminium surface of my P35X v3. The Clevo has nary a mark on it after over a year, yet the Gigabyte already has that tiny nick.

 

From my experience, the rule of thumb is that sager/clevo tend to be more durable and less delicate/feeble than gigabyte/aorus. I've had two Gigabytes, one Aorus, and two sagers in my life, and all of them have led me to this belief.

 

Is there any estimate of when the SG(980m) will come out? Hopefully it will come out before black Friday specials. Also will there be any delay between the 15' vs the 17'?

 

anywhere between dec 3rd and 9th according to reseller/system builder info atm, so very doubtful that its gonna make it in time for black friday specials...

the 17" will arrive around the same time that the 15" 980M version will, although not sure if the 17" 970M and the 980M versions will be available at the same time or one after the other like with the 15" version.

 

So no info from NA retailers?

 

Not yet on the 17" model.
Believe me there are a lot of people interested in the 17" model and what it brings to the table, bigger screen obviously and potentially better cooling due to the larger chassis.

 

Hey all,

My reseller is getting these 4K panels in: -

LTN156FL02-L01 Datasheet download - Panelook.com

Now I've been going through this thread and the Y50 thread, in regards to the Samsung 4K and its been a mixed bag of reviews - so can anyone confirm that these panels are rubbish or actually good?

 

The Eurocom comes standard with a 1080 IPS panel. They are based in Canada and ship internationally. However, you are getting a slightly worse WiFi card and a smaller but faster HDD

 

"Pixel Configuration : RG(BW) PenTile "

This, so far as I understand it, is generally seen to be the most unpopular attribute of that panel - maybe even a fatal flaw.

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JMM89NC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A20FSQL9O0VS6G

This will work right? I have confirmed that it is the exact screen and not a compatible.

 

Yep, that'll work.

 

What was the response time on this one again? Was is like in between 16 and 20ms? Is there even a faster IPS display out there that is compatible with this laptop and currently available? Would the 20ms delay on the monitor make it so that I wouldn't need to worry about having less than 20ms ping while gaming? My ping changes depending on where I sit in my house and if it doesn't matter if the ping is faster than 20ms because of the panel delay then that's nice I guess haha.

Also, this is probably a silly question, but I can't get a 3k matte panel and swap the stock 1080p TN for it right? the 3k and 1080p have different pins? Or would this actually be feasible?

 

That and the potential 48Hz lock - of course, we won't know whether Clevo have managed to get around that somehow until someone gets one in their hands!

 

Ah right, thanks guys. Hmm, so this panel can be locked at 48hz? the link I provided stated it was a 60hz panel so I thought it was a different panel or a revised one at that

Also anyone with a P650SE, did any pick up the LTE M.2 3042 Card module?? Anyways cheers for the info, definitely making me think twice about this 4k panel, though it kills me as I'd like the 4K in the SG.

 

It will also be limited to the same battery as the 15" version, no 3K/4K panel options and only two M.2 ports instead of three (plus, if 3G/4G M.2 modem is installed, the other M.2 port cannot be used for storage anymore)

 

Yeah that's understandable, I'd be willing to sacrifice a storage slot if I can eliminate carrying around a 4g dongle and worrying about its battery

 

Just heard from pcspecialist that they can't offer any alternatives other than the official options on the configurator, so if I went with them it'd mean Intel AC 7260 or bust (waiting until after Christmas for the Killer 1525 isn't an option I'm even contemplating).

The Scan rep didn't even know their own products, as they said they could only see one display option on the configurator for the 3XS LG1520 - oh deary me. Sent a screenshot to prove 4K is an option on their website. Still waiting to hear from them.

Still waiting back from MYSN to triple check whether they do indeed have the Sharp 4K IPS display, like it claims on their website, and whether that would add a sizeable delay to my order or not.

Edit: MYSN do offer the Sharp display and there would be no delay on that screen option, they're shipping it already!

 

To whom did you talk to @ scan? If you have a question ask them through their forum. Because guys at forum know technical stuff and their call centre staff is clueless idiots. I asked them about IPS panel options and you can goto below link to know the answer given to me (check the last post)

http://forums.scan.co.uk/showthread.php?3474-3XS-Graphite-LG1720-1520

 

Their email support.

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OK went ahead and purchased Scan 3XS LG1520 with 4K panel and 980M +16gb ram. Notebook is not for me so didn't brought anything other than basic system. Cost me £1550 (approx). ETA early December.

 

Usually their email support is useless.

 

25ms, but remember that that's a typical gray-to-gray response, meaning that it's an average of responses. Some color changes will be faster, and some will be slower. I'm not sure how panel response time relates to server ping time when in comes to gaming, other than that you'll see more movement trails and ghosting with 25ms than you would with a 2ms TN - but with the stock TN, you suffer from poor color intensity and extremely poor viewing angles.

According to Prema in the thread at TechInferno, the cable that comes with the 1080p model will be insufficient for upgrades to 3k or 4k at a later date. I have no idea whether it'd be possible to get a different cable aftermarket.

The 48Hz lock is an Optimus problem, if I understand correctly, so even if you have a 60Hz panel, Optimus will run it at 48Hz. This is for 4k, not for 1080p.

 

So that mean even if we buy the better sharp 4k panel p650 have 48Hz lock?

 

@dabeer, oh so, basically optimus can't support 4K @60Hz? I'm not getting a 4K panel if that's the case.

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My order with Schenker (mysn.co.uk) for XMG P505 Pro with 970m will be sent with a 180w power supply as default, confirmed by Schenker this morning. A welcome update! Since early review samples were sent with 150w.

 

I agree if the 4K panel is so limited I don't see any benefit being stuck at 48Hz.
Bummer.....hopefully it's not true.

 

That's just what I've picked up from reading these forums - I'm not an expert on this I agree it sucks if true.

That Sharp IGZO panel seems gorgeous, though, I wish I could get it even with the potential 48Hz lock!

 

MYSN just confirmed to me that Sharp 4K panel is 60Hz.

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If it's true I'm going to cancel my P650 order. I purchased it few minutes ago for my brother as a gift and I don't want to listen him moaning about his screen. Lol ...

 

See above, MYSN confirmed it is indeed 60Hz

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Disaster averted. The point of upgrading to a beautiful screen should not be limited in anyway, thanks for checking Cakefish.

 

There's zero doubt that the panel itself is 60Hz

The concern is that Optimus will only be able to provide a 48Hz signal.

Because I don't know anything more than that there is a concern, I'll let it go at that. Best of luck with whatever you order, and please let us know how it goes!

 

Ok I'm checking with some US retailers to to confirm what refresh rate the 4K screen uses.
Will post when they answer back.

So let's say you lower the res of the 4K screen to 1080p when gaming is the screen still stuck at 48Hz? Or is that only for 4K content?