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old tech? you crazy? thats blasphemy!

 

Is the 4710HQ that bad of a processor that it would be reason enough to not order this laptop?

 

Absolutely not the 4710HQ is good enough to power these beasts especially with the 970M, with the 980M it will slightly bottleneck it but overall will be fine for most games.
Do I wish there were faster CPU options? Oh yeah!
Will I see a performance hit in gaming with the 4710HQ?
Not really, unless it's a very CPU intensive game and if then very little.
Intel XTU will help get the most out of it for sure.

 

Still no other owners able to check the status of TPM in their machines?

In other news, I repasted this bad boy. Stock paste looks to have been machine applied to the heatsink, similar to what Intel does with their heatsinks on desktop processors. Better stock paste than I've seen before on Sagers. I still took it all off and put on some NT-H1.

What is curious is I found thermal paste in a couple other odd places...check out this pic for what I mean. The end of the heat pipe (I assume a vapor chamber design) has a big blob of paste on the end.

 

....Just a Pinch Between Your Cheek and Gum

 

Could someone with a P650SE and an external screen with DP test this for us Rifters?

 

of course everyone needs an iris pro, who doesn't need an extra 35w tdp added to the system ?

 

Here's a current screen shot. Both monitors displayed are on mini displayports (one native displayport @ 2560x1080, one displayport to HDMI)



The 970m is also not enabled at the moment. Pretty sure everything with optimus (as it is on these guys anyway) has to go through the integrated. All my monitors show up in the intel graphics properties too, including the Displayport Topology settings

 

Just an update on some screen options Sager recently added.

LG Brand IPS ETA Dec 12
4K QFHD Samsung 60Hz ETA Dec 12
4K QFHD Sharp Brand 60Hz ETA Dec 12

Don't know the exact models numbers yet and probably wont be able to get them until they are in stock.

 

If only I had waited

 

I've just been told by PCSpecialist that I shouldn't expect my order with a 980M to start being built until December 9th. Apparently they don't have the stock yet, even though the website said they were receiving stock today. That's why there's no fast track option available.

Just a heads up for anyone else ordering from them, although it seems like there aren't many other options in the UK for faster delivery now anyway.

 

Any thoughts on who makes the better 4k panel at 60Hz?

 

Any idea when pre-order for the SG will begin?

 

I think the consensus is pretty solid that the Sharp IGZO screen is the best available screen.

 

Thanks, appreciate it!

 

Thank you so much for doing this.

Looks like us Rifters are out of luck though

Supposedly Oculus may be working to get direct mode working through Optimus, but I'm not sure if it's even possible.

Such a shame Clevo doesn't connect one or more of these external connections directly to the dGPU.

 

So it looks like Scan's ETA of the 12th is no later than any of the other retailers after all.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

If you really want one you can probably send the computer back for the upgrade. The cost should be the same except you would pay for shipping both ways.

 

disregrd post on I7-4720HQ

 

They still haven't replied to my emails but I called them today. Apparently for some reason they automatically block orders where the shipping address country and the credit card issuing country is different. It's not a problem for most people and I can also easily get around this but I'm very disappointed in their lack of support until I started calling them. Also I couldn't find this information on their website.

 

I've noticed that my fans will sometimes randomly go high and then settle back down on some occasions while downloading things and playing games. Is there something I can do to resolve this?

 

try and adjust the fan control in the most recent hotkey version?

 

It is on automatic so that's probably why...however I'm not sure what my CPU temperatures should be if I custom do it. I chose the Quiet setting and the CPU temps are averaging 55 while playing Minecraft

 

Just got quoted early January eta from Mythlogic. Might look elsewhere...

 

As we will get the shells in mid-december, then we have to test, test, test them.. Because with all these switches and delays, we'll want to TEST them And its the holidays too, so just giving you realistic timelines, instead of giving you a date then "magically changing" it

 

Have you tried Xotic PCs?

 

Is the fan speed based ONLY on CPU temps? For most games GPU gets very hot and CPU stays cool due to undervolting. However, GPU ends up overheating because the fans are spinning WAY to slowly...

 

Install MSI Afterburner?

 

I'm just wondering anyways. What would be the safest temps for CPU and GPU before it starts to become dangerous? If I can figure that out, then I can lower the fan speed/noise down enough to my likings..

 

Usually CPUs and GPUs have a TJ max of 100C. If it hits this point, it'll usually shut down completely to prevent destroyed hardware. You don't really want either one to go beyond 80C, ideally below 70C. Honestly, you want to keep temps as low as possible, I strongly strongly suggest just using headphones instead of risking damaging your hardware just to make the fans a tiny bit more quiet.

 

Ooops, I meant to post it in my review thread...

Link to post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...x-970m-htwingnut-s-review-22.html#post9845801

 

I tend to take the opposite side of this decision. Where I work, I can't have headphones, but I also can't have a noisy notebook. The notebook I've owned the longest (that is still in my possession) is a Vaio Z11 from 2010, i7-620m with a slightly modified fan. I couldn't stand the fan noise stock, but it stayed cool at 50-55c. Modified, it runs 65-70 idle, isn't uncomfortable, but it's silent. I've run this machine for 4 years, and love it. Never had a problem resulting from high temps, despite a lot of gaming and work being done on it. At full tilt, it hits 95c-98c--obviously not ideal, but these processors are durable. Don't think that running at 70 degrees vs 60 will make it lose half its usable life. Heat may add increased wear to the components, but will it fail before you retire it? I have an old 486 motherboard that still runs....sure glad it was never operated at high temps, because its super valuable now.

I've have 3 i7-990x based number crunching machines at work, each on air cooling, each in a 4u rackmount and they have run 18-24 hours a day since we purchased them in 2011. They typically run mid to high 70s in the winter, and even up to high 80s in the summer all day long. Tcase max on this chip was ~67c (Tjmaxx ~ 100c). I retired my own personal overclocked 990x based machine last month in favor of the current build in my signature, and it was still running strong when I sold it. The current i7-5280k is overclocked, and runs all day in the 70s or 80s with water cooling. I expect 4 years out of it as well.

There's a lot of of hype on the forums about temperatures, and how if you somehow run it at 65c instead of 75c, it'll last for a million years instead of dying in 1. Don't kid yourself--Intel designs these processors to operate at high temperatures, and in a lot harsher conditions than that of your laptop. Sager wouldn't put settings on its own hotkey software that would cause it to destroy itself. First thing I did on mine was raise the fan shutoff temp, and raise the fan startup temp.

I'm enjoying the silence...Enjoy the machine you bought, and stop stressing about the details. Go play a game instead of running prime95 and freaking out about a 10c rise. Relax, and you might just live longer too.

 

I refuse to use Xotic as they only offer crappy TN screens. I need 1080 not 4K. I may just wait for Mythlogic as I like their honesty thus far on the forums.

 

Take another look. They added 1080p IPS.

XOTIC PC | Sager NP8651 (Clevo P650SE) - 15.6" Gaming Notebook

I have to say though...with how easy it is to replace the display, you could very easily order it now with the TN display, get the exact IPS display you want (LG, Samsung or otherwise), and replace it yourself pretty easily without waiting until December. Might even save money over the $45 option from the resellers....after selling your TN 1080p display that is.

 

I need the 980M. Thanks though

 

I already ordered an IPS screen... Haven't placed an order for a laptop yet...still debating 970 or 980 but at this point I might as well wait... Can't figure out why they have such a delay between the two? Should have came off the line the same time... Grrrrr... Anyhow I'll prob end up having two IPS screens now

 

As with most notebooks, the EC controls the fans, and afterburner will be helpless to lower the GPU fan speed.

With that said, I've been playing with the 970m for a while now, and it seems to be doing its own thing. Fans come on their own, and I have yet to see GPU temps get over 75. The Hotkey settings seem to have zero affect on GPU fans (which Is fine with me...the GPU fans are off when the GPU is off)

 

I would be very surprised if they offer the IPS for the cheaper SE model and not offer it for the SG. Either way, they're both easy to replace if you are handy with a screwdriver.

 

Oh for sure, it's not going to die in a year if you run it at 80C, but it does increase the risk of dying if you run it at 90-95C for hours on end. You're also seriously pushing the limit -- what happens if a game requires more computations suddenly, and pushes the CPU beyond 100C? Notebook crashes and you lose everything you were doing. I still wouldn't run any CPU over 95C (except AMD's latest iterations -- they idle at 95C Kappa).

Ah, most laptops I've used have had userspace tools for controlling the fan. I'm kinda surprised Clevos don't...?

Literally no one has the 980M in stock, Clevo/Sager haven't shipped it yet. XoticPC will have it in stock the exact same time that others do.

 

Before everyone rushes out for an IPS panel... Please heed this part:

The NOT IPS FHD Matte is a LVDS panel, NOT an eDP. Where-as the IPS matte IS eDP so the cable is different, so it might not just be plug and chug.

Carry on

And that doesn't even get into the whole 4K panels, with different numbers of eDP Lanes, and cable connectors etc, there are as many LCD display cables for this as there are screens if that tells you anything

 

Didn't wingnut just replace his stock TN panel with an IPS FHD panel and it was a direct fit?

 

Wait - what? So the TN panel isn't the AUO B156HTN03.6?

I know HTWingNut got his through LPC Digital and not you (Mythlogic) but surely the motherboard would have had the same output, which is clearly eDP...

 

It is eDP, and the LTN156HL01-102 Samsung worked like a charm.

 

There are eDP versions (remember there are 10 different screens and 10 different cables of P650). So just be advised to look before you start ripping screens, thats all =)

 

Ohhhhh great

 

10 different LCD cables for the ONE 1080p screen Sager offers? I find it unlikely. The interface on the mainboard is 30 pin eDP, so the cable has to be 30 pin eDP. I can understand if Mythlogic or Clevo offer several more options, but with a Sager version, it's likely safe to say. I'd like to see these 10 different cables though.

 

Just took mine apart. Definitely eDP and not LVDS.

 

You'd know better than I, but this confuses me. Wouldn't you have to have a different motherboard to have an LVDS connector vs an eDP connector? Prema had indicated in other posts that the difference was not the motherboard but rather the cable... or are LVDS and eDP similar enough in signal and just different in pinout such that a custom cable that switches the wiring around would work?

 

I'm curious too. I think though if users just check the device ID it should tell them exactly what LCD it is and what connector it has. Just a bummer if you have to try to find the right cable too, but if you can find an IPS that works with that cable, then you're better off I guess. In any case if someone has the B156HTN03.6 they can be assured that the Samsung LTN156HL01-102 will work. Unless for some weird reason there's a different cable connection and multiple B156HTN03.6 LCD's, but I'm sure it'd have a different model number.

 

So ... I'm posting for the benefit of everyone here who might consider Mythlogic, as well as Mythlogic to showcase their adaptability/value.

First off, greatly appreciate for the continued information, testing and related advisement.
Secondly, my 1614 order from October is still in "Pre-Order" because of the 4K panel availability.

So ...
1) If I switch to the new 1080p IPS panel offering, can I get it around Christmas?
And ...
2) In, say, mid-2015, if I ship it back to Mythlogic, can I have it upgraded to the 4K panel when their availability is better? (I'd rather do that than deal with cabling and other issues, along with keeping the system under warranty)

Appreciate you assistance and I will send you my Order Number in PM/e-mail. I'm also not against upgrading to the P65xSG/980m model either, but I assume that has little chance in making it by Christmas.