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As far as I know, IGZO refers to the semiconductor material used to make thin-film transistors. It doesn't say anything about what technology is used to manipulate the liquid crystal molecules (twisted nematic, in-plane switching, vertical alignment, etc).

Specifically talking about that SHARP panel, I think you were right, it's some IPS-like technology. MVA or whatever.

 

you can always install an IPS that fits you, since that barebone uses slim Wled panels at the opposite of the older p1x0SM barebones.

Personnally i bought the best glossy ips for the p650 ^^ the spectre XT one ^^.

IGZO panels for TV/laptops won't be released before 2016 i read.

 

Anyone use the mythologic financing before? I put in my application but not sure how long it will take to get back to me. I also never received any sort of confirmation regarding I applied.

 

I would recommend against this, for all I know they do a perfect job on financing, but even then it is not going to be a good idea. If you cannot afford it now, or are on a tight budget, you should probably figure out how much you like a few comparable laptops, then wait for Black Firday/ Cyber Monday (only about 2-3 weeks after they get the 980m model anyway). You may be able to get great savings on a good laptop then. It might not be this one, it might be a Gigabyte p35x, or MSI GT60.

Alternatively skip on certain features, like just get 1x8gb ram or only a regular HDD. Then upgrade them yourself later. This will save you money instead of costing you extra on interest. Unless you need the laptop with certain features right now for work to produce money (Professional gamer? not sure what else would).

 

Ya its not like I can't come up with the money its just I don't want to spend it all at once. It would help if I could make payments let's say 200 a month vs dropping 2000 all at once... I have a dirtbike for sale that once it goes will pay this off anyways. I just want the flexibility of having the option to make smaller payments and build credit that being said I am opting to upgrade overtime like u had mentioned. I think I am even going to purchase without any hard drives I have a ssd from one of my desktop rigs and also thinking I am just going to opt for the 1080p screen. Definitely want the 980m tho. I can't even look at other brands I'm set on the look of this laptop.

 

Yeah the more I am looking the more confusing it is, Sharp seems to only ever say IGZO, totally ignoring the actual LCD type. And yes looking further it does vary greatly. Can't believe it is so hard to find good information on the different displays (I mean this for all monitors).

 

Couldnt have put it any better myself Were in love my friend, thats whats up

 

interesting news! my reseller Schenker/mySn changed their config pertaining to the PSU: they now offer the 180W PSU for the 970M and list a "tba" for the 980M version. maybe i wont have to upgrade to a stronger PSU myself!

makes sense if u ask me, since the available reviews found that the 150W PSU is already pretty much maxxed out under stock conditions.

 

PC Specialist also allow the option to get the 970M version with 180W adapter too, if anyone in the UK is reading this.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Check again, I was the one who posted the www3 Sager link. So in response, I quoted you because I'm tired of waiting to see something from Sager (and, therefore, a XoticPC option). I went for the Clevo-Dia/Mythlogic option, hence the quoting, as you were responding to me.

It's still a subdomain of sagernotebook.com, so they control it. If I had to guess, I get both www2 and www3 are "staging" web sites. The fact that they finally put it out there with some info, but without all the development complete, makes sense.

Apparently you missed my post where I said I actually wanted 48-64GiB of RAM. But I'm not going to find that for under $4K in much, much bigger workstation notebooks.

SIDE NOTE: I heavily run Linux and run lots and lots of VMs for testing and professional work. Right now, having only 16-24GiB is a major and I mean major limitation in my work. Gaming is a secondary function, as I travel heavily. Gaming notebooks usually hold the most memory for the least cost. More expensive and capable than commodity, but cheaper and smaller than typical workstation notebooks.

I went back and forth on this, but with a 4K panel, I decided it was probably worth it. I've never broken a screen before, but it only takes once.

The 28mm/980m options are coming out closer to the end of November from what I've heard now from 2 resellers, which is looking more like a 3-4 week delay versus the 25mm/970m. I need something ASAP, hence why I opted for the 25mm/970m now.

Trust me, I went back and forth on this for a good 10 days. When the Sager/XoticPC options didn't appear, I finally just pulled the trigger on the Clevo-Dia/Mythlogic option, based on when they are getting the units and their current order queue.

 

Right, but how'd YOU find it it did pop up for me as the first hit for a google search for "sager NP8651" so that's probably it, but at the time I asked, I had been doing that search fairly regularly but hadn't seen that page.

Either way, I'm hoping it's valid info - especially the ETA of Oct 28!

 

I went for the 4870 without even a moment's hesitation, it's the obvious choice IMO.

The reason is you gain a massive 128MB L4 cache, which elevates the raw performance close to the (extreme) 4930MX - at a fraction of the price. Bargain!

(Sources: Best Processors October - 2014 and PassMark Intel vs AMD CPU Benchmarks - High End )

 

The impact in those benchmarks massively over states the real world impact. At least as a 48xx chip yo you can add 400MHz through xtu.

 

Why are the sager versions taking so long to turn up for preorders.... Example: Exotic PC is losing customers by not having it up for preorder...many have already done business elsewhere. Seems like they would want to jump on the ball along with the others? Or am I missing something here?

 

Very soon it will be up. Sager usually waits until Clevo gives a confirmed date of shipping the shells into the US. Then you will see Sager and the Resellers posting them on the websites...

 

Exactly, no jumping the gun and giving unconfirmed dates so people don't get frustrated.

 

i thought it was 200 with 47xx chips and 400 with 48xx models?

 

Thanks, after so much talk about the 4710hq auto correct is trying to change all mhz figures to "200MHz"

 

phsew u already got me worried there for a sec

 

That makes sense but just seems like all the sager retailers could still put it on sites and offer preorders and just put a TBA status or something. But I know there is a lot more that goes into it too.. ... Anyhow I can't wait to see the sagers released.

 

I've been wondering the same thing - and I'm sure it has to do with xotic and others selling Sagers rather than putting their own brand directly onto the Clevo, but still. I'm one of those that have already ordered from the one US vendor I could find that offered this system (Mythlogic).

Myth hasn't even given me a date any more specific than "Late October/Early November" but I'm not bothered by that. I went ahead and ordered with them because they offered me what other vendors are not - actual configuration options and pricing. We all know this is a brand new system, and although having a specific date is good, we should all be able to deal with not having one.

I definitely wish other sites had offered this information. I probably would have ended up making the same decision (Mythlogic allowed me to strip it down almost completely, other sites didn't let me do so with the models they currently have, so I don't expect that I could do so with the P650) but more information always leads to more confidence in the final decision.

 

And one has to respect that.

Indeed, I wanted to "get in the queue," so I ordered from Mythlogic. I hit various reviews out there, and I'm quite impressed with several Mythlogic experiences, and how they addressed new or untested configurations.

 

yep, cant do anything wrong with mythlogic xotic and the others active here at NBR are very respectable as well though. choosing from the bunch in the end is just based on personal taste rather than whos got the better reputation its just sager that, as far as ive heard/read/seen here aint the best when it comes to customer service but ive never had any direct dealings with them before, so its just an observation

 

I'm still having troubles deciding on P651SG or P35X-CF4.

Goal is 3K+ IPS display (Matte preferred)
i7-4860HQ (not sure why US sites dont have this listed for either)
GTX 980M (4GB or 8GB doesn't matter too much as native PC games do not use more normally)

Biggest issue is battery performance and cooling at this point. What do you guys think?

 

to quote myself over from techinferno: come to the dark side, get an SG! do it! Do It! DO IT!

on a more serious note though....

are there any available 3K+ screen options in matte, at all? here i thought theres just glare available at this point in time.

 

Certain vendors have the 3K matte screen. I know for sure the P35X has one, just not listed at all available vendors.

 

ah ok, interesting to know i generally wonder why not all screens / displays are listed with matte / glare options when theyre released. there shouldnt be any hold-up due to any technical difficulties, at least i couldnt imagine that

 

Its the same for how there SHOULD be an option for i7-4860HQ for the P651SG and P35X, but sadly I dont see it listed either. That would be one I'd opt for.

My choice will fall between the Clevo or Gigabyte depending on Cooling Performance and Battery. I've seen reviews on only the P650SE and none on the P651SG (thicker chassis) or P35X (manufacturer stated the cooling should have improved since its previous iteration).

 

um...why exactly would u opt for the 4860hq instead of the 4870hq? as far as i can see theres just the 100mhz bump difference thats all....and since the 4870hq seems to be the slightly updated successor i guess it makes sense why they dont offer the 4860hq anymore...

 

The websites updated the specs again? Oh well. I'm not always on the PC to view the information. Still, the 4870HQ is not shown on any US reseller.

 

Notebookcheck.net's review of the P651SE found that the P35W v2 had 121% longer battery life at idle (without WLAN, min brightness) and 66% longer under load (maximum brightness). Clevo has 60Wh battery vs 75.81Wh battery in the Gigabyte and a higher power consumption while idling. P35X v3 has the same battery capacity as before so I would expect similar, if not identical, battery life to its predecessor.

Cooling is an unknown as of this point in time as there are, as of yet, no reviews of the P35X v3.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I went through this entire thread and didn't see anyone mention anything about the vent being off center from the fan. Will the bottom plate be adjusted?

 

I posted about that here http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/762758-gtx-900m-series-officially-announced-nvidia-169.html#post9806869

That was a preproduction model, they seem to have fixed it.

 

But which 3K screen? I've seen 2880x1620 and I've seen 3200x1800. Both are 16:9 aspect, but 2880x1620 doesn't exactly upscale from anything

If I cannot have at least 3200x1800, I'd rather have something like 2560x1440, which is 2:1 1280x720, than having to settle for 2880x1620. But that's just my view.

 

heibk201 had info it was a 3K Panasonic panel. The MSI ghost pro 3K used a 3K Panasonic panel (VVX16T029D00) so odds are it uses the same panel.

So far I think all 15.6" 3k displays have been 2880x1620, its the 14" ones that often have a 3200x1800.

Also note that reviews of laptops using that panel will have some differences from the product you get, as the backlight is not part of the panel and matte coatings and such can be applied.

 

Hmm 2880x1620 doesn't sound TOO bad for a 15" vs a 3200x1800, I almost feel like @ that resolution the 980 should be able to handle plentiful, however as previously stated by b.j.smith, would that be a non native style looking resolution, similar as to what you see on some monitors that don't quite hit market specs on odd resolutions? Or as long as anything supports it should look fine? Or are we looking @ black bars for some odd reasons. If not then I might actually opt for that given its barely much more than 1600p I think it'd be perfect!

Pardon my ignorance as well, just asking as much as possible before my credit comes in so I know exactly what I want to order without worry. Only downside right now for me with this is that it only offers up to 16gb vs 32, which it should be more than capable of.

 

32GB would require 4 slots.

 

Have you guys been talking about a different system? Or am I mistaken in thinking that the P650 does have 4 slots - 2 on the bottom, and 2 on the top under the keyboard?

 

No your correct I think they are talking about the p35

 

I was referring to the P650, however it looks like the P651 May support 32gb, /* begin rant and having 2 slots seems ridiculous for a 15" variant another reason why I hate the slim factors, granted yes, its cost effective to go with one model vs others, however it would be nice to see S and T versions ( slim and Thick ) for ultra portability and ultra cooling. My hands aren't so frail as to having an extra .5-1.5 lbs to lug around. Course everyone has their needs , wants, and then there's fads lol. */ End rant

My last clevo which lasted almost 5 years ( beginning of 2005 - end of 2009 ) the 9860 and 9750 were the heaviest sager ever made, and wow were they awesome to look at lol Pure aluminum and steel iirc haha. I miss those designs, however something in between is nice, and judging from everything else this is somewhat going in a good direction, however the 4 and 6 cell batteries, I just can't fathom what went through the engineers heads for that.

 

According to the specs that Prema posted, they both support 32gb. I really hope that's correct, because that was one of the advantages that this system has over its competitors.

 

Well I wasn't planning on ever putting more than 16gb in it so if that is case not a big deal however I thought both were 4 slots...

 

With current memory technology, yes.

Intel Haswell/Broadwell (LGA-1150, BGA-1168/1364, etc... -- basically the 80/90 series of chipsets) and AMD Bulldozer and Jaguar/Puma (various Processor 15/16h models, including the full system-on-a-chip, although they are usually single-channel) actually all support 8Gb (typically 2Gib x 4-bit) IC technology. The prior Intel SandyBridge/IvyBridge (LGA-1155, etc...) and virtually all recent history AMD processors supported 4Gb (typically 1Gib x 4-bit) and Intel Clarksdale and earlier (LGA-1156, etc..) and old DDR2 AMD supported only 2Gb (typically 512Mib x 4-bit).

Support of 8Gib ICs means they can support a 64-bit Single Rank (1R) DIMM, using the typical 16 IC x 8Gib/IC configuration, of 16GiB (128Gib). So for a dual-channel, up to 64GiB is possible in dual-channel with 2R (e.g., two 1R DIMMs per channel). Yes, unregistered.

Unfortunately the 8Gb ICs are still not produced in any quantity, and the industry is still heavily 4Gib (1Gib x 4-bit) IC technology since 2010 or so. There was a serious shift in semiconductor economics after 2012, which is extremely supply-side (long story, but short story is that multi-billion-dollar fabs run on 2-3 year cycles), and the investment requires hasn't been made. I.e., most fabs are only now making the switch to offer 8Gib as they are making investments in DDR4. So this is why we see no more than 8GiB in 1R (up to 2 per channel), 16GiB in 2R (either registered, or a single DIMM per channel unregistered -- the latter of which not all mainboards recognize the required CS lines) and 32GiB in 4R (registered only).

If you see a rare 16GiB UDIMM (unregistered) out there, it's currently a 4Gib IC tech (possibly x8-bit so same number of ICs as x4-bit at half the sizing) resulting in a 128-bit "dual-rank" (2R) configuration. You usually can't use more than one of them per channel, but in a board where you only have one DIMM per channel (like SFF Mini-ITX or even SO-DIMMs in pico-ITX), they are a nice option to have.

SIDE NOTE: As always, more ranks and the required, added lines and chip selects usually limited the synchronous clock. So in DDR3 (8 bits a clock cycle), the clock will often be reduced to 133-166MHz 8DR (1066-1333MHz "equivalent") from 166-200 8DR (1333-1600MHz "equivalent), or similarly (i.e., actual industry != JEDEC standard, at least not in marketing). Registered/buffered helps reduce EMF/EMI issues (the world is still very much analog with serious issues with physics), and allows greater ranks for the equivalent clock.

 

Every vendor I can find currently offering some version of the P650SE says it has four slots, so unless there's been some significant misinformation, I think we're ok.

 

It has got 4 slots.

 

dudes, so many questions pertaining to hardware config, just check the first post of this thread, thats what its there for! all data drawn from either prema or my reseller schenker/mysn

 

Sorry yes, I should have made that clearer, check the OP for the sager.

All current intel CPUs support 8GB per slot max, so you can work out the max from the number of them.

 

So, I guess that ETA wasn't valid after all. Oh well.

 

Per my recent post ...

I've only seen a couple of resellers carrying 16GiB SO-UDIMMs and they were all 2R packages, so only 1 SO-DIMM could be used per channel (2 per dual-channel system). Until the 8Gib tech becomes available, we're stuck at 32GiB for 4 [SO-]UDIMMs. And the semiconductor fabs just don't seem to want to make the 8Gb tech investment on DDR3, only DDR4.

 

I fully expect to get my Dia 1614 (Clevo P650SE) closer from mid-to-late November. The only thing is that I hope the 28mm chassis with the 980m doesn't become available by then, because I'd rather have that than the 25mm chassis with the 970m. I ordered the latter because I wanted to get it sooner. I'm currently without any serious, powerful notebook for any Linux/KVM platform work.

I'm also thinking of getting the 180W AC/DC adapter instead of the 150W, even for the 25mm/970m, based on a number of things I've read.