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Pretty sure it's the same screen as found in the P35X; if so, yes it is amazing - I have seen it for myself.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

My P650SG arrived yesterday from PC Specialist. I went for the 3K screen option and it is of course exactly like the pictures posted by kingyr. PCS set their pre-installed copy of Windows 8.1 to 200% DPI scaling - when going to 100% scaling everything looked microscopic, as you'd expect. A 4K panel would be a sight to behold in a laptop this small.

One thing that doesn't seem to be mentioned so far though is that the lid and screen assembly is very thin compared to more traditional panels... and as a result the screen flexes quite noticeably when you open and close the laptop. Hopefully that won't cause problems in the longer term, I'm not used to seeing LCD panels flexing!

Compared to my old P170HM (2nd-gen Core i7, GeForce 560M) this machine absolutely flies - it was doing an effortless 60fps in Heaven at 1920x1080 in ultra mode. I'll give it a more thorough testing this weekend, but initial impressions are that it's remarkably speedy for a laptop. Of course, having a decent SSD and UEFI booting does wonders too.

Out of interest, has anyone gone for the 4K Samsung panel? I'd be interested to see whether it is indeed locked to 48Hz as the panel specs would suggest...

 

I would guess that anyone who reads this thread has avoided the Samsung 4K panel like the plague.

 

I've gone for 4K panel. Challenge accepted! It'll be 60Hz I'm sure of it

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I've already got a little problem with my Windows 8.1 install that is driving me crazy. And yes, it's a genuine copy Maybe someone has an idea of what's going on?

Here's the problem:

I noticed early this morning after installing drivers and programs that my date was set to 11/12/2014 instead of 10/12/2014, so I changed it. A while later, I noticed that I couldn't connect to any https websites with Firefox or Internet Explorer because of certificate errors. If I set the date back to 11/12 in Windows, immediately there are no more errors.

I checked the date in the BIOS and it corresponds to whatever I have in Windows (it's not resetting when I restart either, so no CMOS battery problem it would seem). Even when I set it to 10/12/2014 in the BIOS, I still get the certificate errors. Anyone have any idea of how to fix this? I would prefer not to have to have my computer clock a full day ahead.

EDIT: Had another problem, looks like it was just Win 8.1 fast startup, which I didn't know about.

 

That's weird, you'd expect browsers to be able to deal with that easily considering the differences in date formats either side of the pond (with the Americans doing dd/mm backwards ). Have you tried deleting cookies?

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

The same is true for my P505, but honestly, I wouldn't even have noticed if you hadn't mentioned it and it doesn't bug me at all.

 

No luck with deleting cookies :/ It seems to be a problem across all browsers: Chrome, Firefox and IE. And I only just installed Chrome to test it out, so there's no cookies to speak of there.

 

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I did not have this problem. Have you checked the timezone ? You could also try to disable the internet-time-synchronisation in Windows-clock-settings.

 

Sorry, it doesn't state the connector type...

 

Then... I'm sorry for mentioning it I also think it really not an "issue". BUt mine should arrive soon, today, then I will also have a look.

 

My time zone is correct and unfortunately turning internet time off doesn't fix the problem.

I doubt this has anything to do with the computer itself. Perhaps some tiny thing went wrong in my Windows install? I dunno. It is a very small thing, but still annoying, for me at least

 

Excellent..I wonder which panel it is. The 3k screen looks good but I'm concerned about scaling. A 1080 ips would be my preference.

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

 

i thought u went for the sharp panel and not the samsung? that "challenge" focuses on the samsung 4K panel

 

This may be an odd question, but are are you assuming it's DD/MM/YYYY? Or maybe the laptop is configured US style MM/DD/YYYY. It can manage one day change but not one month.

Also, if you have to, disconnect power, open the bottom panel, disconnect battery, remove CMOS battery and let it sit for 60 seconds. Hook everything back up, enter BIOS right away and change date.

 

ha, i was just thinking the same as wingnut @switched format

 

TONIGHT (european time) i will open my (already shipped) 650SG !

For lg users will do a heads up probably before 8pm USA time.

 

That's great wickette will definetly be looking forward to it and see how good the stock LG IPS screen really is.

 

I purchased P650SE with some upgrades. My Monster is coming. Because Notebook brand is really Monster

MONSTER® TULPAR T5 V4.1 15.6" - MONSTER NOTEBOOK > TULPAR

Intel® Core i7-4710HQ / 16GB DDR3L 1600Mhz RAM / Nvidia GeForce GTX970M 3GB GDDR5 / 1080p IPS Matte Led Panel / 120GB Kingston M.2 Sata SSD / 750GB WD Slim 5400RPM HDD / Intel Wireless-AC 7265 Dual Band 2x2

 

Never hurts to check, but it definitely wasn't that. I just got fed up and decided to do a complete reinstall of Windows. All is fine now. I have no idea what the source of the problem was or if there was an easy fix for it, but oh well.

But hey, now I have another problem. Great The laptop just randomly turned itself off with no warning. It was on AC and at nearly full battery. All I was doing was writing this forum post with nothing significant running in the background. As expected, Error ID 41 Kernel-Power is in the Windows Event Log.

This is the last thing I need I had a recurring problem with a faulty power supply in a desktop a while back. I REALLY hope this isn't something similar. Is there any good reason why that would happen? I don't see how that could be anything but a bad sign.

Any ideas? Man, I really don't want to have to return this thing.

I'm guessing a bunch of stability tests would be a good idea at the very least? Any recommendations?

 

Is there an updated bios / EC or hotkey software available for this machine?

I've had some really weird fan activity the last couple days. I've been modeling with large data sets in SAS and things were taking a lot longer than expected. The fans were also being super quiet, when normally they're all full tilt. I opened intel XTU (currently undervolted and multiplier is maxed).

My CPU was pegged at 98c and thermal throttling was at 20-40%, with clocks fluctuating between 1.5ghz and 3ghz! I went into the Clevo control center, and fans were set to my custom setting which looked like this:


Not sure why they weren't accelerating properly, but they weren't. I changed to the "automatic" setting, and they got a little faster, but still wouldn't accelerate to full after 60-70 seconds. I finally set to max, and temps started dropping.

I reset the machine, and now auto seems to work properly (will accelerate to 100% if the CPU is taxed) but the custom settings still won't set fans high enough to avoid thermal throttling when doing some type of CPU intense activity. I guess that makes custom fine for battery mode (since it won't go above 1.5Ghz on battery anyway...another gripe of mine) but I this is scary when it's plugged in and I'm doing work. I've never seen the type of thermal throttling I witnessed here, and auto wouldn't work until I reset the machine! I'm pretty OCD about this now...manually going to Maximum whenever I'm modeling or playing a game. Never seen a computer so willingly throttle itself instead of increasing fan speeds.

 

Is there any option in the control center that automatically switches power mode when on battery vs when on mains? (My current laptop is setup so that on main it's in "high Performance" and on battery it goes on "power saver")

 

Not that I've found with the control center. Might be able to be done with a registry tweak.

 

Can't you just customise one power plan to rule them all? By that I mean configuring your desired settings for battery and AC power in the same plan, rather than using two different halves of two separate power plans, which is entirely redundant anyway.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Hey, can anyone help me? I just can't enter the BIOS. I tried a few times push F2 but it doesn't enter? does anybody has a clue?

 

Theoretically yes however somethings are hard-built into the plan; that plan type MUST be selected for it to take effect. An example of this is on power saver, no matter how you config the "on AC" tab, boost is still disabled

 

Well it worked now
however, I have written a short review, until know it is just in German, I will translate it soon. However, if here are some German / Austrian guys who are interested: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvuytjcqx0...05PRO.pdf?dl=0

 

sometimes its not F2 but rather F8 or delete, try those as well

edit: ok, found it urself

 

Ahhh, I was never aware of this. Thanks for letting me know!

 

Concerning temperature, has there been any temperature test on the Clevo P650SG?
I remember the test by notebookreview on the P651SE, the temperature were quite high.
Clevo P651SE (Schenker XMG P505) Barebones Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
Any difference with Clevo P650SG? I'm looking to buy a very low temp notebook...

 

One quick note about this:
If you are booting in UEFI mode you have essentially zero time to hit the button. I've had success holding F2 as soon as the machine turns on before it boots into EFI Windows 10TP. If you have it in bios mode, then F2 is the key and you have plenty of time.
If you're still unable to boot into UEFI / BIOS under an EFI Windows 8 / 8.1 / 10TP installation, follow these instructions:

Press the Windows key + C, or swipe in from the right edge of the screen to open your Charms.
1. Click Settings.
2. Click Change PC Settings.
3. Click Update and recovery, then select Recovery.
4. To the right beneath Advanced Startup, click Restart now.
5. Once the boot menu appears, select Troubleshoot.
6. In the Troubleshoot menu, select Advanced options.
7. In the Advanced options menu, click UEFI Firmware Settings.
8. Click Restart. The system will restart and enter UEFI (BIOS).

 

Well, I am no expert and have never faced this error. But here is some information that can point you in right direction.

Windows Kernel event ID 41 error "The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first" in Windows 8.1, Windows 8, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows Server 2012, Windows 7, or Windows Server 2008 R2

Random Restarts: Critical Kernel-Power, Event ID 41, Task 63 - Computers - Windows 7

So yeah, it could most likely be your power supply if not faulty hardware. Just check if the power pin is firmly connected to the back of your laptop and isn't breaking the connection. If nothing helps, your only option is to send it back for repair/service, which of course is a pain considering your laptop is brand new.

 

One week, give or take a couple of days. Hype... building!

 

The event 41 just tell you about an unexpected shutdown, it doesn´t give the reason of it

 

I did some tests here --> http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/763159-official-clevo-p650se-sg-p651se-sg-sager-np8651-np8652-owner-s-lounge-208.html#post9856295

enjoy...

 

Is the fan speed control for the CPU fan only? I think I might purchase this laptop next week. I'm going with the 970m as it just seems like better bang for buck. For $300 less, I get a thinner laptop thats runs 13 degrees cooler. After OC'ing and pasting I expect to match 980m performance with temps under 80.

 

I think that's a little optimistic, but keep us informed.

 

I will for sure. I have managed to get my 860m to 870m performance level. I'll just need to get a hold of Prema for a custom BIOS so that I can OC properly

 

If it is is on rapid start, then if you shut down and power back on it will bypass BIOS/UEFI startup. But just restart your PC from Windows, and then start mashing F2 (i.e. press repeatedly, don't hold) as soon as the screen goes black and it should get you there.

 

I don't reallly see how it could be the power supply, considering the computer was on nearly full battery at the time (but I'm no expert). I'm going to contact mySN and see what their recommendations are. If I get the same error one more time, I'm definitely sending the computer back. Having been through this before, I know that it's an absolute nightmare trying to figure out what is causing event ID 41. It could be a LOT of different things. I'm just hoping that this happened for some random, non-recurring reason...

 

Looking at ordering the NP8652 from Xotic PC to use for gaming, program development, and also an all-use machine, and I thought I'd tap the knowledge base:

- Any reason not to get the Samsung 3840x2160 4K screen for $150? Will the GPU run it at acceptable framerates for gaming?

- Any reason not to get the free Intel Dual Band AC 7265 WiFi upgrade?

- If I get Windows 8.1 Pro installed, will the machine come fully ready to go out of the box, or will I need to install a bunch of drivers, etc.?

Thanks!!

PS I will certainly be posting reviews, etc.

...R

 

Don't get the Samsung 4K panel, hold out for the Sharp 4K panel.

You can find many pages on the 'why' earlier in this thread.

Essentially, the Samsung panel cheats to get to a 4K resolution and many believe it has a 48 Hz max refresh rate at 4K, too.


Adam

 

860M to 870M was a lot easier to manage since they were different architectures and the 860M is a very impressive chip versus the 870M being fairly good but nothing spectacular.

970M to 980M is the same architecture, basically the same chip except the 970M is missing ~20% of the cores that the 980M has. Naturally this corresponds to an approximate difference of ~20% in real world performance tests.

Not to mention that the 970M is also missing 1GB of VRAM.

 

*cough* 30% *cough*

 

Haha, wow I guess the difference is greater than I thought.

Btw, just did a CPU repaste of my P650SG CPU (i7-4710HQ) with Noctua HT-H1 and CPU temperatures <strike> dropped from ~94 degrees C under Prime95 + Furmark to ~85 degrees C </strike>.

Didn't repaste the GPU since my temperatures of 80 degrees C are in my opinion perfectly reasonable.

Interesting to note that fans were not under full load for either. Switching on Max Fan Speed (Fn+1) dropped GPU temps to 72 degrees C before the repaste.


EDIT: Nevermind, running it for 5 minutes more raised CPU temps to what they were before. Such sad.



EDIT 2:
After the CPU repaste:
Auto Fans:
CPU: 95 degrees C
GPU: 80 degrees C

Max Fan Speed:
CPU: 85 degrees C
GPU: 72 degrees C

 

those are some pretty sick temps for a furmark+p95 run, impressive! juat check and make sure rhat the gpu doesnt throttle in furmark, nvidia models have been known to do that once occt or furmark is started to artificially lower their clocks!

edit: oops, premature results then? to make sure u reach max. temps id advise to do the furmark/p95 run for at least 20 min. 1-3 min. wont tell u what u want to know
also, msi kombustor comes highly recommended as an alternative to furmark

 

Thanks for this, glad I'm not crazy.

 

Hey. Been a member for a little while, never posted anything. But I've been following this thread for a while. I received my P650SE from EUROCOM a month ago since they were the only ones with IPS display at the time. I have a little problem with the screen. I get pink spots on black backgrounds. Eurocom agreed to fix it if I ship it back but I was wondering if there was an easier fix without having to send back the notebook. Any ideas?

 

Ok small heads up on the LG IPS sager will send :
pros :
It's beautiful .
Nice Vibrant color,
Excellent viewing angle
60 fps games work like a charm : no ghosting.
no yellow tint like some other ips screen....

cons :
....but white could be a little white-r .
A tiny tat more limunosity would make it a killer screen
Minor light bleeds, only viewable on black screens : (just like my Glossy LG ips lvds screen), luminosity just like ALL matte screen could be a tiny better but it's clearly the highest luminosity on MATTE screen I saw. Don't get me wrong it's 300cd/cm2 and it's really great but I set the bar a littlle high for screens



to sum up : Great screen ! Beautiful contrast, nice colors reproduction only minor light bleeds


Will upload a video of the screen running the Fire strike benchmark soon.

 

The texture unit loss hits it too which makes it harder to feed all the ROPs.