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Cakefish,

Since you are one of the few that will have experience with the p35x and the sg, I am anxious to hear of your thoughts on the footprint of the laptop. I feel that product photos have been quite deceptive in terms of how thick the sg actually is.

 

Can someone post a picture of this hole? Would be awesome!

 

It's between the two GPU fans. Hopefully the pic will work week enough.

 

It's about as thick as an average 15" laptop. Perhaps a few mm thinner. What's remarkable is the hardware packed inside a laptop form factor that usually houses an 840M or worse.

 

Just got my P651SE. Installer all the drivers and everything works like a charm. I'm just curious wether it's LVDPS or eDP connection on the display, since I would like to buy a IPS display as soon as possible. Read earlier in this thread that you could check it with HWinfo64. But I don't know where to look in HWinfo to check? Anyone knows?

 

That's probably the only issue I have with this model. The hardware and aesthetics are top notch but it would be nice if it was similar in thickness to the p35x or gs60.

 

Will do!

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how everything compares between the two.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Im really impressed that in the notebookcheck review on load the fans only went up to 47.8 dB. However, im curious what this sounds like in a real life operation? Sounds like clevo did an amazing job with the fans though!

 

It's not that thick at all , It's a perfect equilibrum between powerful,robust and anorexic throttle-friendly slim.

I'll just add that after one hour of COD AW @ Ultra got 79°C on the hottest core of my CPU....and.....59°C on the 980M (usage up to 100% according to afterburner). ...fifty nine on a GPU 35-40% stronger that the 880M ! ^^ (no external fans or whatsoever....this is on a table)


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This is hands down the BEST laptop i bought since i was born. Just choose your components wisely !
1)Don't go with 48x0HQ -> heat
2) Killer atheros and 7260 will probably give you lag -> 7265 from intel is an absolute beast for heavy gaming or downloads.
3) repaste with IC7...Definitely got an improvement ! (even if stock was totally ok)
4)....and going with 4K will drain extra WATTS allocated for the CPU/GPU, plus you will clearly LAG a lot in 4K gaming, you'll have to set the settings on a way that it will look uglier than ultra@ 1080p .

 

Definitely not as bad when compared to traditional desktop replacement type laptops but to me every mm counts. AC adapters need to catch up as well.


Thank you for the image!

 

The GPU temp is impressive. I wonder how the laptop would fair in a hot summer day.

 

Any idea on the numbers here? I would say 4k draws roughly 4 times what a FHD draws, but I do not have real life numbers in mind.

 

Review of P651SE by notebookcheck

 

Does this laptop not support mSATA SSD's? I must either use 2.5 or the M.2?

 

Yes, but It compares to another notebook with different components, I wonder between two identical p650sg, one 4k and the other fhd, what will be the gap in idle/load power consumption

 

Roughly twice. Battery life going to be slightly less as a result but c'mon - same PPI as smartphones. That's impressive

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Why exactly would an intel 7265 run better than the Killer 1525? I ask because I've been waiting for the killer 1525 before I place my order. Isn't the intel 7265 based on the 7260? I've heard that the 7260 is a terrible card with a lot of faults. I'm quite curious.

 

4K on a 15" is in my opinion only good for professionals (photography, animation, art etc), Don't forget that the smartphone industry uses the PPI count as a marketing force, when i hear that next year at the CES they will present 2K/4K 5" smartphones...that's ultra useless...

I speak from personal experience i owned a Killer 1202 (msi gt60): the software and the drivers were HORRIBLE !!!!!!!!!!! Only lag in games... My brother, with his gs70 : same problem..

If they kept their same driver and software structures with the 1525....this is my simple opinion some people didn't have problems with killer cards at all. I lost faith in the killer cards....there cards were nothing but troubles to me...

the 7265 runs with a brand new microprocessor and includes hardware fixes compared to the 7260 : it runs flawlessly. I have it right now, and i can tell you that the speedtest gave me : 1ms ping, in games it's just perfect : league of legends, COD AW, BF4 all run with absolutely no lags and a super ping.

 

smartphones nowadays commonly have 400+ ppi with a 1080p display, even a 5.5" 1080p display still has 400ppi, 4k on a 15.6 screen is still a bit under 300ppi. so yeah, you are nowhere near a smartphone and the race for resolutions on 5-5.5 inch devices is about as dumb as it can be

but on the other hand it forces mobile GPU improvement

 

Also scaling on a 4k 15 inch laptop is pretty bad its not like android keep that in mind. If the dpi acaling doesnt wprk all items are so small that your eyes going to hurt. Thats why i sold my macbook retina.

 

Ive tried 3K and 4K on laptops without issue...

 

If you just use the standard programms than its ok. But i have to use it professionally and most professional programms in the electronic industry dont scale at all.

 

I never said it had the same PPI as recent top-end smartphones did I? I only said smartphones - that includes the cheaper options too y'know

And you said it yourself, there's no need for that anyway. 4K at 15.6" is perfect for the viewing distance you have when looking at laptop displays. Just like 1080p is perfect for 5" phones. All you need is Windows 10 and boom - perfect combination. I never claimed I'd be playing recent AAA games at 4K - but indies are another matter entirely; the likes of Trine 2 will be absolutely stunning at 4K and the 980M definitely can cope with that sort of thing.

You're all so pessimistic about 4K. It's getting tiring - can we have some optimism here please? I'll show you all, 4K is going to be glorious in this laptop. I'm happy!

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I am waiting for your screenshots! With different scaling options if possible I am very tempted by this screen model

 

@cakefish: im all 100% on your side bro, sharp 4k is the best choice one can make for a laptop these days, period ill follow in your foorsteeps in a couple of days when ill finally be able to preorder my machine

 

+1 for the Sharp 4K panel!! Can't wait to get mine! :thumbsup:

 

I'm on the 4K team too. We've been stagnant at 1080p for too long and, imo, high PPI desktops are so much easier on the eyes than nasty 1080p.

I won't mind running AAA games at 1080p on my 4k screen if I must. But I'll be enjoying 4k in all other instances.

 

added link to HTWingnut´s Review Thread of the P650SG with the 980M to the OP

Enjoy!

 

I'm amazed at how hard it is to get older games to run with the best settings using Optimus. Half Life 2, for example, I cannot get to run with anti-aliasing, no matter what settings I use. Portal 2, on the other hand, which uses the same engine, ran perfectly and looked gorgeous. I also tried The Witcher, which complains that the system doesn't meet the game's requirements - I tried the -dontforceminreqs workaround with the high-tex mod, but that disables anti-aliasing, too. And, of course, I still haven't gotten the Maxwell-only Apollo moon landing demo to run (complains saying it requires a Maxwell video card - isn't that what I have?)

 

I am in 4K side too! I am a 2D animator, and now all the adobes work perfectly in 4K! The sharpness, contrast ratio and color gamut on Sharp panel is just the jaw dropping! and I think if anyone look at this laptop for a two to three years investment, 4K panel make much more sense. Kind of a MUST to have soon! And 1080p gaming is totally fine on this panel! I mean why not! I am not even considering to play 4K, as I am looking forward to many other things about that panel too!
And about all the other scaling issue for other software, I believe it will be resolved very soon as they have to keep up with changes.

Cannot wait for my laptop to come.. I ordered from Reflexnotebook like 12 days ago, and not sure if I will face the delay for the stock shortage or no.. Hopefully not!

 

Odd, I've had no issues whatsoever with Half Life 2 and Optimus. Or The Witcher too. Windows 8.1. Are you running Windows 7 by any chance?

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I'm not pessimistic about 4k, I just don't think we are ready for it yet, and like I said before, the race for res is stupid, but as long it drives the GPU industry forward I don't mind it. I just personally wouldn't get a QHD display on a 5.2 in device right now. in 2 years 4k might as well be the new 1080p, but for now it's more or less a gimmick

 

Nope, 8.1 Pro. Both are Steam games. But so is Portal 2, and that worked fine...

 

For a gaming machine, I personally don't think it makes a whole lot of sense for 4k screens, and until Windows and apps are set to work with high res (and they better make it scalable to at least 8k), there will be issues. Windows 8.1 does do a decent job of managing the scaling but a lot of it is dependent on the apps themselves. The 980m is powerful but still not powerful enough to drive fairly recent games at decent detail at 4k. Granted scaling from 1080p to 4k in gaming looks great, and it opens up a bunch of desktop space if you can deal with the mini font size text. I'm OK with it too if it advances GPU performance, but personally I'd still rather have a quality 120Hz 1080p screen over a 4k one.

 

We have different definitions of gimmick then. I don't think it's a gimmick at all!

Doubly odd... I assume you keep to the latest drivers as I do.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Using GeForce Experience to manage both driver version and game settings. Driver is 344.75, and I've set HL2 to use GE's optimal plugged-in settings.

Edit: Ok, I think, yet again, this is a case of me reaching a premature conclusion. I was basing my conclusion off of the visuals I experienced on the train where you start the game - there were severe aliasing jaggies on pretty much everything in the train. I decided to try out the game anyway, and when I got off the train, the jaggies disappeared! I even switched it to no AA just to make sure, and the difference was immediately clear. So, yeah, AA is working after all for HL2. Still not sure about The Witcher, though.

 

I don't bother with GeForce experience. That's for amateurs

I just ran HL-2 and the in-game 8xMSAA works great at 1080p or 4k.

 

Indeed. I wonder why it wouldn't be working inside the train, though...

 

...Half Life 3... confirmed?...

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Well said. I bought an Acer 32" 4K IPS during black friday and running SLI 780 GTX Ti with a 4.6ghz Broadwell on my desktop it is barely acceptable for a majority for the AAA titles this year in full detail. Anyone expecting this laptop to get decent frames @ 4k is dreaming unless playing Indie/Steam games as Cakefish mentioned. I think next year we will see decent performance for mobile 4K.

I want the 4K Sharp for non-gaming & desktop and will run games in 1080p if they don't look too blurry. If they do, 2K res should be fine.

 

Well 4k is exactly 2x each horizontal and vertical pixels of 1080p so it looks great. Might need 2xMSAA if you're really a stickler for micro jaggies (I don't really notice them).

 

I hear/see many desktop gamers commenting how 4K makes AA unnecessary on their 27"-32" monitors. Their heads would explode if they saw 4K at 15.6"! It's the one advantage we laptop gamers will always have over our desktop compatriots... much higher PPI as standard. Heck, our 15.6" 1080p displays have the practically the same PPI as most of the desktop 4K displays

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Yeah but you generally sit closer to a laptop screen.

PPI doesn't tell you very much without viewing distance.

 

4K @ 27" = 163.18PPI
4K @ 28" = 157.35PPI
4K @ 32" = 137.68PPI

4K @ 15.6" = 282.42PPI

Not THAT much closer. Unless your desk is absolutely humongous!

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

if i ordered the p650sg without an operating system, how difficult would it be to install an operating system onto the machine, install all the drivers and have everything working properly? where would i download software such as the fan control, etc. is there a write-up of this somewhere that anyone knows about?

 

It will come with drivers disks. If you don't know how to install OS, then I highly recommend buying it with one.

 

That would be super cool, but I highly doubt it.

 

The system should come with a drivers disk which you will need an external DVD drive to read from. If you have one, it's really easy to set up.

 

On the 4k display being too much I halfway agree, however specifically the Panasonic 3k, and the Sharp 4k screens are better in most other regards even besides the resolution when compared to all the 1080p options I have seen (though some of the new IPS options some companies changed to may be comparable, I looked into it earlier). 4K screen with good gamut, contrast, viewing angles, etc... beats 1080p with low gamut, medium contrast, poor viewing angles by far.

As for just on the resolution, the 4K will be nice for viewing pictures, and video that is either natively over 1080p, and also for ones below 1080p.
For games that are normally CPU bound like some flight simulators or strategy games, and for older, better optimized, or less graphic intensive games it may be able to maintain high FPS even at 4k.
For even many of the recent AAA titles it may be able to run them at say 1440p, or 3K or such with high FPS even if it cannot handle 4k, and 1440p on a good 4k screen may look better than 1080p native, though I cannot guarantee that.
On AAA titles that cannot even pull high FPS at 1080p, going 900p on a 4k screen likely is slightly better than 900p on a 1080p screen due to scaling algorithms.
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On the other hand changing resolutions constantly is a pain.
Some applications won't scale well making text hard to read for many people.
The Sharp 4K screen is significantly more expensive (~$250 could buy you 5-10 games, or some other hardware components)
Most video have their highest resolution option as 1080p right now, and that will still look better on a good native 1080p display.
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Overall I think it comes down to personal preference and how much you are fine with changing resolution and fine-tuning games and applications. If you want everything to work great without any effort on your part, definitely go 1080p.

And remember their is no Samsung 4k display, it is a marketing lie the screen has a multitude of issues and while it may be better than a bad TN screen it is not actually 4K, and is not even comparable to a good 1080p IPS, the Panasonic 3k or the Sharp 4k.

 

After a long wait, I got my 8651 from eurocom. But I am having problem with the intel 7265 wlan card. It only detect my router right next to it. Nothing five feet out.