*** Official Clevo P65xSA/SE/SG / Sager NP8650/51/52 Owner´s Lounge ***

My last hang up is the VRAM?

Do you think they will offer an 8GB version?

How are you guys justifying this? You probably just going to buy another laptop in a couple of years?

 

instead of overclocking i like to undervolt my system

here my actual working values:

Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset : -80mV
Processor Cache Voltage Offset : -30mV
Processor Graphics Voltage Offset : -30mV

 

Prema, I'm using a PA-19 230W adapter, so please don't hold back on the TDP/Power target unlock for me!

HTW said "I will be using my 230W Dell adapter though, just for giggles."
I say: dang, he beat me to it.

 

Crysis 3 again, this time overclocked (64°C maximum GPU):

Now that I've discovered just how much of a lemon my VRAM is at overclocking I guess I have no choice but to get another P651SG with the 1080M next year.

69.9% - I believe my P35X v3's 980M was around 61%ish from what I recall.

 

Well, if I got unlucky in the lottery, I'd have to live with it. Don't worry too much and just start playing some games
Hmm, someone should make a regression line about ASIC to maximum clock (or something better)

 

Guys, any of you using any kind of specific cooler for this laptop?

Thanks!!

 

Most owners just raise the back a bit, temps are already good enough where a cooler is not needed.

 

No, no need, no benefit, other than it lifting up the back a bit for improved airflow. I just bought some cool balls, and they work like a charm: Amazon.com: 2 Pcs Laptop Notebook Black Antiskid Cool Ball Cooler Stand Pad: Computers & Accessories

 

Can't help but feel massively disappointed. +130 is pitiful for GDDR5 VRAM. Even HTWingNut is almost reaching my bandwidth level with a 970M and its 192bit bus. That's shockingly poor showing for a 980M. I was expecting to be limited by the PSU wattage, not the silicon quality.

Out of interest, what are all your ASIC quality figures according to GPU-Z?

Tried out some older AAA's. DMC (the latest one) runs 60fps at 4K. Looks frickin' incredible. Really pops on the screen. Not a single jaggie to be seen. The colours look positively delicious on the Sharp display.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I see that you are using that 344.75 driver with your unit, before I returned my Y50 I had trouble running crysis 3 with a memory OC and I was able to get repeatable results. try rolling back to an earlier driver or go for the beta driver, 344.75 was indeed quite buggy for me

btw given lower ASIC quality you have it's most likely easier for you to OC, and that's only for the core, your vram should still handle more than what you have now

 

that's some gtx 780 performance right there!

 

4 bottle caps is more than enough

 

My 980m ASIC is 77.6%. I'm expecting quite the return on that.
HTWingnut, whay is your ASIC?

On the lesser bright side, I seem to artifact somewhere above +200 on the mem, but I need to test further.

 

Prema mentioned before that our 980m has higher stock mem freq than MXM 980ms. Maybe your prev laptop was clocked lower by default so you had more OC headroom?

 

I think that Prema says that 'our' 980m's (probably) WILL clock higher than MXM 980m's, not that its clocks already ARE higher.
Small but significant difference.

This might be because of better quality memory, but more likely due to the lesser number om memory chips you have, the smaller the chance of having a dud.
If there is a memory overvolt as well possible in prema's bios mod then that should make things fun even with duds

 

This is like a 970. I mean, a DESKTOP 970.

 

ASIC quality means absolutely nothing. Mine is 71.5% but I've seen time and again that same GPU's lower ASIC had much higher OC potential than others. I've also had where the ASIC quality reading changed with every reboot. Actually I swear mine said 70.9% last time I checked.

It is all in the luck of the draw, where the chip layed on the wafer, specific process parameters, how it was binned, ... any number of reasons, but ASIC reading means little to nothing, I wouldn't put anything into that number. In the past I've been quite unlucky with OC potential, this time a little bit moreso both with the GPU and vRAM.

 

Here I was thinking there was no point in overclocking. This is definitely going to help whenever the 970M starts having trouble keeping 40+ FPS with maxed out games at 1080p which I am hoping is not soon. These are some amazing results.

 

Actually if we can find a way to undervolt the GPU that may be an interesting prospect as well. See how low voltage we can go while maintaining stock clocks which should result in even lower temps. Maybe get it down to below 50C even... that'd be nuts.

 

Under 50 with full load?! Jesus, that'd be insane! What's your ambient temperature?

 

Guys.

Why am I still considering the GS60 Ghost Pro - 066

I mean the Sager NP8652 is the perfect laptop.

For some reason I am just not use to Sager and I would prefer to buy from major reseller.

Why is Sager not huge like MSI?

 

Dude.......

 

My point exactly.

 

UV is more attractive for 980M tho. OC is more attractive for 970M imo

 

I suggest everyone who reports temp should also report their ambient temp. Now it is winter in the NH, so all the temp here will change drastically in summer.

 

Unless you don't have central air/heat/AC, or do your testing outside, temps really won't vary wildly. 70-75F is likely the normal range unless people like to live in 50F in winter and 90F in summer, even then the difference isn't all that significant when it comes to load temps.

 

For me, gs60 and p650SE/SG is no competition.

Both clevo has better bang for the bucks. Both are much easier to upgrade. I don't need as thin/light as possible laptop. Clevo has clean and plain look (personal preference, I know).

You asked about memory earlier and I am not really worried about it. I don't usually play the latest game unless it is part of a series. Turning down few eye candy is also not a problem. Like someone said, even the desktop 980 only has 4gb now.

Nah I plan to keep it for ard 4-5 years. Hopefully by then I will settle and build a desktop.

I have been reading and researching sager for the past 2 years(mostly here at nbr) in my temptation to upgrade and I think people has been mostly satisfied with them.

 

From what I tested on my computer and read around, the game with the highest "specifications " for vram (shadow of mordor) eats around 6 gbs out of the 8gb of my card. However, as htwingnut and many others on the Web pointed out, even with fewer vram you can play at max smoothly. Moreover, I do not think a mobile GPU with current bus width and frequency can exploit the 8gb. But I am not 100% sure about it.

 

Using Unigine Valley to judge it but maybe should use actual game instead.

I've read that there may be driver issues regarding artifacting in 337 and up with Unigine after a quick Google.

That's a shame as 980M officially only supports 344.24 and up.

But if other games don't artifact then it may be possible to clock memory higher.

Let's see if I can install an older driver...

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

O the ambient temp is a huge factor for load temps. Also not everyone here have central AC.

 

Yep, exactly, my room temperature varies from 18 degC to 26 degC depending on the season, and I'm just in the UK, I'm sure there's places with even greater swings.

 

The Unigine engine seems to be more sensitive to graphical artifacts than others. Crysis 3 and Shadow Warrior seemingly run OK at +300. Maybe it's not as bad as I originally thought. +400 produces occasional crashes/graphical artifacts. +500 gave the whole PC a BSOD. +300 seems stable though.

I think I could live with only +300, especially as +400 and above creeps above 180W, which probably explains the BSOD at +500.

Also, +300 introduces power throttling which brings down the core clock a little. At lower memory clocks this doesn't occur. So it may bring more benefits to run the memory lower and just keep the core higher.

Increasing the core clock brought far greater benefit in terms of framerate than the memory from my testing in Crysis 3.

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A dumb question. I keep reading about Dell's 230W adaptor, which needs to be modded to be used with our laptop. Is the 230W adaptor of the P75xZM compatible with the P65xSx, or does it use a different plug?

 

different connectors, wont work on the P65x series...

also, dell 240w psu differs from clevo 230w psu in connector type. check the OP mod section for a howto in order to use the dell 240w psu on these models

 

i tested with ambient temp @ 20° C. HTwingnut you tell me about that undervolt, i like that ^^. Team fortress 2 or League of legends Vsync ON runs between 50-52°C after one hour ^^ without even undervolting. My previous 780M was like 65°C HOT in that same scenario, this is a huge improvement by Nvidia AND clevo. Now with the 20nm CPU+GPU I don't want to even imagine the raw power and coolness (cool+cooling) of future clevos...I think i will change my laptop before october 2016/early 2017 because intel will use 10nm cannonlake die shrink then. 2015 intel's processors seem axed toward hybrids/ultrabooks...consumption reduced but nearly same power

 

For the folks interested in a more powerful PSU, you need to look at either the Dell PA-19 230W or Dell PA-9E 240W PSU. The latter one is smaller and thinner and seems newer but both will work just fine, if you use a special converter plug from BiXPower, the X75.

You can find it on eBay: BiXPower X75 Power Connector - 7.4 x 5.08mm Female Jack to 5.5 x 2.5mm Male Plug | eBay

 

WoW.

So can you get this power brick for the 980M and overclock it and have plenty of power to do whatever you need?

 

Exactly

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That is extremely enticing.

I am really thinking of this laptop very heavily. It is my number 1 choice right now.

Last thing I need to get over is just trusting Sager in general.

I really really like how you can upgrade the CPU and everything. That is really awesome.

 

Sounds like you got the right answers, I don't think you want you want a memory OC at the expense of core throttling.

 

Just in case your comment was being referred to this model, the CPU can not be upgraded as it is soldered onto the motherboard.

 

I've had my P650SE for just about a week now, and it's an absolute champ. This is my first machine with truly high-end graphics, and I'm absolutely blown away by how awesome games look on the FHD IPS screen.

However, I'm having a recurring problem on wake-up from sleep: I keep getting DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE BSODs caused by ntoskrnl.exe.
I'm up to date on drivers (I can provide version numbers if anyone thinks it's relevant) and Windows updates (Windows 8.1). When the machine wakes up, everything seems ok at first, but after 30 seconds or so it locks up and blue-screens. It doesn't happen on every wake, but it seems to happen more frequently when the machine's been asleep for a longer period of time (overnight especially). I figured hibernation might be mucking it up, so I turned hibernate off with powercfg, but it's still happening.

Has anyone experienced something similar? Any advice?

 

Well... If you read the posts from cakefish, his overclock is very limited because of stabilies issues, even within the 180w of the psu. So before thinking about the 240w it may be better to have other overclock reports of 980 in p650sg.

 

I completely forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me.

 

Intel drivers up to date ?
recommended and mandatory w8.1 update installed ?

I do not have that problem but it's clearly a software/driver problem, don't worry.


By the way guys i just found on Alibaba a brand new genuine GLARE ips eDP AUO screen (B156HAN03.0) finally ! had a very hard time finding a glare ips edp. Should be sent to me tomorrow (chinese time), i managed to sell my LG matte IPS. So right now i'm back on the horrible B156HTN03.6, my god i will call an exorcist this night, because that f#cking screen is evil toward my eyes...

Will give you a heads up on the AHVA b156han03.0 it's supposed to have a better response time and higher contrast than my lg.

 

That was my feeling as well; I'm 90% sure it's just a driver issue, but as far as I can tell, I'm up to date on everything...
Driver versions:

Spoiler

BIOS - 1.03.04RLS1
Chipset - 9.4.0.1027
Intel HD - 10.18.10.3960
Nvidia 970m - 9.18.13.4709
Realtek LAN - 8.32.508.2014
WiFi (AC 7265) - 17.13.0.9
Fingerprint Reader - 3.2.13.0
Intel Rapid Start - 3.0.0.1056
Intel RST - 13.2.0.1016
Intel MEI - 10.0.20.1258

Definitely completely up to date on Windows updates. One of the first things I did after install was grab all the latest drivers from Clevo's site. I have Intel's Driver Update Utility installed as well, so I know I should be good on their drivers.

Any troubleshooting tips? So far I've used NirSoft's BlueScreenView to get at the contents of the BSOD dump (which told me the culprit was ntoskrnl.exe), and run a powercfg -energy report to look for any power errors (nothing looked off there).

 

Good to hear about the monitor. I cannot fail to notice that this monitor is a 6-bit per color too. Is there a 8-bit IPS eDP monitor compatible with the P65xSx?

I didn't receive my laptop yet and it's not clear whether I'll receive a matte or glare screen, so... I'll be particularly interested in your review of the B156HAN03.0

edit: nvm, just answered myself by searching in panelook. This should be a comprehensive list of FHD panels compatible with this laptop: http://tinyurl.com/q43xcqv

 

Yes, there are 4 but they´re not FHD - 2 of them are 4k and the other 2 are 3k. The ones you listed are 6-bit.

4K - LTN156FL02-L01 (Samsung) - LQ156D1JX01 (Sharp)
3K - LQ156Z1JW03 (Sharp) - VVX16T029D00 (Panasonic)

 

Hi all, i am looking to buy a clevo laptop soon and just had a few questions. After doing a lot of research I have narrowed it down to either the np8651 or the np7338. My budget is around a 1000$ but i might be able to stretch it to 1270 to get the np8651. But at that price i can only afford the cheapest stock version of the np8651 without any upgrades. Just wanted to know if the stock configuration is good enough or is there any component (eg. the display) which might make an upgraded np7338 a better deal?

Secondly, i am a bit concerned about the portability of np8651 compared to the np7338. I know it is largely a matter of personal preference but just wanted to get some opinions on how portable it is? I will be joining graduate school and would like to carry it around in a backpack especially when travelling. The only laptop i have had before is a 4 year old rog 17inch desktop replacement which i never carried anywhere so i am a little out of touch with how large a laptop should be to be portable. Would you guys call the np7338 'significantly' more portable than the np8651?

Thanks