*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

The original value used by Intel for that CPU was 95W for a long time...only just before it was published they changed that to 91W...

 

Sorry for the constant questions but, can the USB Type C on board be used for an External Graphics Unit?

 

Yes, it's a combo USB 3.1 / Thunderbolt 3 port. (up to 40 Gbps)

It seems a few different manufacturers will launch Thunderbolt 3 eGPU enclosures soon.

 

I was going to ask about external gpus.
I looked around a little online for thunderbolt gpus and I could only find those simple little video adapters that probably aren't very good for 3D rendering...
Considering that the GTX 980M is too expensive for my wallet, I was hoping to track down a simple enclosure for a full size double slot GPU that can use a thunderbolt 3.0 cord to be used on the P750DM.
But when you say 40Gbps, I'm curious how that compares to the average throughput of a desktop graphics card?

 

And btw folks, I put my order in for a P750DM from rjtech!
I went with the g-sync model and added in a few more extras that I could squeeze in with credit card. :d
The only thing now that I have to decide is do I buy the cheaper core i5,or keep watching Newegg for the core i7 to come back in stock?
The price that Newegg charges for the i7 is Much cheaper than what people are asking for on places like Amazon.com
Maybe that's why Newegg is sold out, but Amazon.com still has people selling some.

 

regular desktop gpus use up to 16 lanes of pcie 3.0, which translates into bidirectional 16gbps, so 40gbps would be even enough for external SLI

 

i got shouted down for suggesting clevo do a P7 30DM with only iGPU and TB3.0 port a while back lol

 

Keep an eye on Micro Center too. They were $10 less than Newegg.It shows on their web store but says available in-store only. The three closest to me are all out of stock.

 

I used to have a micro center 1 hour away , but they closed down. Now the closest is like 8 hours away.

 

Just posted this in the nvidia thread. Maybe it won't be compatible with the batman?

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-flagship-mobile-gtx-980-gm204/

 

It's been hinted many times that 990M will be MXM.

 

I hope so... I'd prefer to buy the 2.0 from mythlogic now and upgrade later if it's worth it than wait for it to be available...

 

for these kinda things i trust prema and hes basically confirmed through the grapevine that the 990M will also be in MXM format

 

Woooo!!

 

PCIe 3.0 x16 is 32 GBps (256 Gbps) bi-directional

 

aaaah whoops, didnt pay attention to GB and Gb ok so then that TB3 bandwidth would be equivalent to 2.5 PCIe 3.0 lanes / 5 PCIe 2.0 lanes / 10 PCIe 1.0 lanes

 

I imagine we won't see any of the new enclosures until whenever the relevant NDAs expire, and then we will see a bunch of them, hopefully within the next month or two.



Also, apparently Thunderbolt 2 (20Gbps) was sufficient throughput to run 780Ti on MBP at around 80-90% efficiency in practical application: http://forum.techinferno.com/implementation-guides-apple/6689-2013-15-macbook-pro-gt750m-gtx780ti@16gbps-tb2-sonnet-iii-d-win8-1-[squinks].html

 

Anyone here know any secret places a P770DM user manual could be found? I'm not entirely familiar with all the resources you guys use for Clevo information so I thought maybe someone might know. I kinda figured if you could sell the machine and configure the machine then you would have access to the manual but so far I can't find it.

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i dont think its available anywhere yet, we barely got our hands on the spec sheet thus far and all "orders" are just preorders, not actual ones yet so just be patient, on the actual availability date the user manual will surely pop up, with the (actually way more important and interesting) service manual leaking somewhere not far behind

 

moviemarketing, maybe the guy in the TB3 video was just a poor presenter, but he neglected to say that the external eGPU was being used for output to the internal laptop display, all the examples pointed toward only driving external monitors.

The first example was using a mobile GPU, which made no sense, and didn't look like it had enough cooling to support more than a 950m, which is likely what was already in the laptop - the size of the laptop indicates a low end dGPU.

He didn't get to the far right of that table, which had a Orange trimmed large external box, maybe that held a larger mobile dGPU? It looked wide enough to hold an SLI of a lower end dGPU.

So far, I am still not convinced an external eGPU is needed, especially if it won't output to the laptop display.

To me it looks like enough boxes and wires taking up space to fit a nice SFF computer and external monitor

 

I don't think you are going to suddenly see docks spring up personally.

 

Agreed about the docks, seeing those go away for most brands.

 

I have a feeling that NDA is going to be ending soon ☺Clevo's website now actually has a placeholder for drivers and user manual for P75xDM/P77xDM and they didn't have this a few days ago.

Sent from my sweet Galaxy Note 5

 

TB3 docks are going away? To my knowledge there haven't been any yet.

So far the only ones I've heard of are these two which haven't been released yet, one with R9 M385 inside and the other with desktop R9 200 series card: http://gizmodo.com/heres-the-box-that-can-turn-your-puny-laptop-into-a-gra-1724958260

I hope we do eventually see various models of TB3 enclosure for graphics card, otherwise there is not much point for gamers to buy Skylake laptops over Haswell/Broadwell. DDR4 is more expensive and Skylake CPU is not that much better. However, would be great to know that whenever your mobile graphics card becomes obsolete you have the option of getting external GPU (especially for those with soldered GPU and thin laptops).

According to Navin Shenov, VP of PC Client Group and GM of the Mobile Client Platform Division at Intel: “Watch this space” (when asked in August if manufacturers will actually build external graphics solutions with Thunderbolt 3?)

 

I am really curious to see how big of a full power desktop Nvidia GTX or AMD Radeon graphics card could be driven through the TB3 port before it uses up all the bandwidth.
Isn't it true that all modern single gpu cards not even get close to using the full pcie 3.0 bandwidth?

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/pci-express-scaling-game-performance-analysis-review,1.html

single cards get like 1-2% more out of pcie 3.0, whereas sli systems get around 3-5% more.

so with a TB3 equivalent to 2.5 3.0 lanes / 5 2.0 lanes / 10 1.1 lanes you should generally be fine

 

I just wonder about the usefulness of a TB3/eGPU on a machine such as the DM. It already has a MXM slot, so if your GPU starts to become weak in a year or two, you can upgrade it.

I can fully see the appeal of an eGPU with a machine like the P650Sx series, where you're stuck with a BGA GPU.

It might have made more sense in the past, where even the top-end MXM GPU was still 50% or more behind a low-end desktop GPU. But nowadays, where the 980M is about on par with a GTX 970, the performance gain of hooking up an eGPU is minimal (unless you stuff a 980ti or Titan in there).

 

in theory youre completely correct. but in real life, one cannot upgrade every machine to next gen mxm gpus due to system bios / video bios being incompatible. sometimes a wiz like prema can help out in this regard (see P1x0EM series that were made compatible with the 900M series gpus), but thats not always the case. in that context, a universally upgradeable eGPU could come in handy.

at this point in time, its all speculation though, if the ZM/DM series will be able to handle next gen gpus, as is the case with every machine

 

I would think that if you bought a gaming notebook, you want it to be able to game on the go. If you reach a point where you cannot upgrade your GPU anymore, and you rely on the eGPU for gaming...do you really still own a gaming notebook?

I see the eGPU (from my perspective) as making sense with something like an ultrabook. Say you have an ASUS ZenBook, and you want to be able to game at home while not maintaining two machines - in this case you plug in the eGPU to be able to run games.

 

I suppose I'd plan on using eGPU for gaming in 3 or 4 years with, say Volta desktop card and external 4k display, or possibly sooner for video editing and motion graphics projects if Nvidia or AMD launches some amazing new workstation card.

If I'm spending $3k or more on a laptop, I'll try to keep using it for another 5 or 6 years - nice to know this option is there, even if there is the option of MXM GPU upgrade as well.

I'd like to run demanding games occasionally, and I already need a decent laptop that can handle creative applications and reduce rendering times for projects, so the DM seems like the best fit.

You make a good point, will be interesting to see what options are available at that point when the 980M cannot handle most games at 1080p.

I'm not used to running games at high settings or getting 60fps - only after youtube launched 60fps streams was I even able to imagine what that would be like. Perhaps after owning the DM for a few years I might not want to go back to lower settings / slow frame rate.

 

yep, totally agree with this notion i was just referring to general upgradeability, not including the portability factor or the fact of having an "actual" gaming notebook

imho, eGPUs are a nice thing to tinker around with and set new benchmark records (which is tons of fun ). but having a powerful mxm gpu already installed and with you in any situation is definitely the preferable alternative

@Ramzay @moviemarketing:
our three point of views alone already prove that the best thing is to have options for different needs and applications / usage scenarios. even if TB3 / eGPUs are otherwise seen as "worthless", the minimum they DO is to provide the user with additional choices, and that i always welcome!

 

Oh I agree, options are great. I'm just trying to figure out how I could justify getting an eGPU - the geek inside of me likes the idea.

I could totally justify it if I bought a non-gaming ultrabook, or maybe even a "weak" gaming laptop like an Alienware 13 or Clevo W230SD. In both cases, for any kind of gaming (or high-end gaming for the latter two) I'd use the eGPU, and the cost of the eGPU (including GPU) would be about the same as upgrading to a GTX 980M machine.

 

Yep, really wish the P650RG/RE was shipping with TB3, but from what I can tell, it will not have any USB 3.1 or TB3 port. Otherwise, I'd consider this one with i7-6820HK instead of the DM.

The problem with the AW13 is the ULV CPU.

 

Hmm, didn't know the new P650 wasn't getting any of that - that would be a big disappointment.

A ULV CPU is just fine for my usage - the most demanding thing I do is play Diablo 3 on it.

 

Notebook eGPU = ball & chain

 

Hello guys. I'm enjoying my holiday. Still keep eye on this thread.

PC SPECIALIST UK have 17 DM version. Price is very reasonable.

http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/octaneII-17/

They also have P series. Eta 27 September

17" version
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceII-17/

15" version
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceII-15/


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oh, u mean RE version, since both are P series machines... got me confused there for a second

holidays? jealous! gettin ready to go to work here, through the cold rainy weather, ugh...

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Yeah RE version and 17 DM. Still not given up on DM..... I'll make a proper delidding video for i7 6700.

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nice, so that means ure definitely keeping the 6700K, just deciding between using it in a desktop or a laptop

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Yeah. I7 6700K is keeper. It's either m-ITX desktop or DM. BTW mysn U706 page is still under construction.

http://www.mysn.de/xmg-ultimate-gaming-notebooks/xmg-u706

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same goes for their 15 inch DM: http://www.mysn.de/xmg-ultimate-gaming-notebooks/xmg-u506

 

I hope that 9.999,00 € is a placeholder.

 

hmm, okay, I'll bite ... so your thought is that if someone signs a legally binding contract (which is what an NDA is) they really don't need to abide by it. So we're a nation of laws only when it suits us. Is that your ethical/moral position on this?

No ... you really didn't ... just as I didn't need to make this post

 

You're what?

 

You took the bait @D2 Ultima !!! I know, i know, it´s hard not to, i struggled with it also.

 

second post...

 

What do people think my chances will be of running some variant of Linux on one of these machines?

 

well if you arent afraid of tinkering around a bit to get it to work, not all that bad id say. looking at the ZM series, several users have already managed to get linux running on it, so might be worth a try

 

I don't mind tinkering ... so that's not an issue.

If I understand (always a questionable assumption), the issue will be obtaining (or writing?) drivers for the new hardware. I'm usually pretty good at obtaining, but writing a driver would definitely be a challenge.

 

As far as I know, Clevo has never made their machines OS-preferring. My D900F has had many users using Linux, and I've seen somewhere that Prema's BIOS allows some of the SM/SM-A models to even use OS X as a hackintosh, and I've never seen someone have problems using Linux. I know Mr. Fox also has tried Linux on his P570WM as well.