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    *** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by NordicRaven, Sep 22, 2015.

  1. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    The ASIC scale for each model is different. Even though GTX970M, GTX980M & GTX980 are all GM204 they don't bin them the same way. ASIC is set only after (at the end) they have been binned to be a GTX 980, so we can't compare a GTX980M ASIC to a GTX 980 ASIC.
     
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    so that asic scale is based on a gaussean bell curve of a specific batch/model of gpus? thus the best are set to 100% and the rest calculated down accordingly...

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  3. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    TBH, I have no idea how its originally calculated, but by looking at the ASIC, vBIOS tables as well as voltage of a LOT of GPUs we can reverse it and bring things into perspective.
     
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    I think exactly how the scale is set can change as some people get over 100% on occasion. It matters little of course when you are clocking well.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 17, 2015
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    over 100% o_O dayum, lucky bastards :D

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  6. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    From what we have seen, cards with very high ASIC do run high clocks at very low voltage but do not scale accordingly with higher overvolts, instead they just crash at one point.
     
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    well at least theres some sorta justice haha

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    so you're still confident the OC ability of M980?
    sounds good but is the mobile 980's asic comparable with desk top 980?
     
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  9. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    You can only really compare the ASIC between cards of the same target model.
     
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  10. sturmtiger

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    understood, thanks
     
    sturmtiger, Oct 17, 2015
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  11. Meaker@Sager

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    There is always some sort of trade off in engineering.
     
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    Configuration too good as I have a question that is its form yet
    Alienware somewhat similar style as not see the logo
    much prefer the choice easy upgrade
     
    tommytrant20, Oct 19, 2015
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    Thanks, but I think I can answer the question myself.........again.


    Hey, it will be closer to our official launch date - they will get the review model shortly but I expect the review release date will be early November!
     
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    Thx for info! Can´t wait :)
     
    GeneralCH, Oct 19, 2015
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    Hi all,
    So why the Eurocom or was Mr. Fox referring to Clevo in general?
     
    MadHatter74, Oct 19, 2015
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    Oh man its seriously hard to not press that order button on an SLI 980m version! I did about choke on the price difference for 4k. Cant wait to see the reviews.
     
    GTVEVO, Oct 19, 2015
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    Okay so, better pricing than GT80S @ EUROCOM LOL
    Alienware can't even build their computers and have a 330W hard limit
    This comes with a Skylake DESKTOP CPU, GSYNC (which means <60fps will feel smoother than <60fps on any of its competitors), PREMA support

    Man.... just insane. Nothing comes close. Nothing.
     
    Zero989, Oct 19, 2015
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    The current 17.3" LG Display LP173WF4-SPD1 is 75Hz. So, <75fps
    . 2015-10-18_085503.png
     
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    I'm aware but the others are limited to 60. >60 will be obviously better, even if it wasn't gsync.
     
    Zero989, Oct 19, 2015
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    jaybee83, Oct 20, 2015
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    Not true. Alienware m18x R1 came with a 450 watt power supply if you had dual GPU. Seems to me that Clevo should have a larger PS option if you want to overclock.
     
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  23. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    This system is using two 330W PSUs.
    In our tests even a single one was not quitting on us with 1450Mhz GPU core, 2000Mhz vRAM, 4.5Ghz CPU core and 2667Mhz RAM.
    Two are only really required once you go full blast or SLI... ;)
     
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    There is no 450W PSU. It's possible to combine more than 1 though. I've had all 3 AW variants.

    The Delta 330W has been in use since 2011 and it's still used today.
     
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    Those green LED on the back of the screen panel are hideous.

    And for F sakes, why is there is a G Sync option? How is this still such a thing? Why is Clevo being asshats. Why is this not standard, a given, and expected feature for ALL MAXWELL capable GPUs? This should not be an upgrade, no cost whatsoever.

    UN Fing BELIEVABLE. Clevo can suck it.
     
    Zymphad, Oct 20, 2015
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    ssj92 Neutron Star

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    You can change the color. You seem to be doing nothing but complain in every Clevo thread.
     
    ssj92, Oct 20, 2015
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    Seems to me Clevo should do a lot of things. Like not sell $2000 laptops with speaker buzzing. Or G-Sync standard. Or eDP IPS displays standard. Or thin/lighter PS. The 330 is a cement block, nvm a brick. OMG, the speaker buzzing is driving me insane.
     
    Zymphad, Oct 20, 2015
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    @Ethrem - thread crapping. He's all over multiple threads complaining about the zm without being on topic for the thread...
     
    ajc9988, Oct 20, 2015
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    The Hotkey App has 7 color options as well as breathing and of course the option to switch them off.

    As for g-sync, that's nvidia for you.
    It's their way of milking their product.

    The only choice Clevo reseller and other companies like MSI, Asus etc have is to only offer the g-sync versions as standard and not even carry the non g-sync models and some already do it that way. But they still have to pay more for them because of nvidia. And then there is the thing that not all screens are licensed.
     
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    I am not a happy customer. I am pissed.
     
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    Because Clevo is doing the same stupid crap they did with ZM. And blaming Nvidia for it, eh... I don't see it that way. I'll be happy to crap on Clevo until they start offering what should be standard for $2000 laptops, like G-Sync or simply, speaker that doesn't F'ing buzz!
     
    Zymphad, Oct 20, 2015
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    Okay? But this is the P870DM thread, your problem is with your ZM not here in the P870DM thread.
     
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    Does anyone have details on the 4k screen such as refresh rate at 4k and 1080p? I would hate to pay the extra and have low refresh rate or burly resolution at the lower than native settings.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    60 @ 4k, don't know at 1080.
     
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    G-Sync as standard? Its an upgrade, because nVidia charges extra money for it. For a technology that needs nearly nothing and is free of charge for AMD-GPUs.

    Making G-Sync standard just means that everyone has to pay more, even the guys that don't want to. Next time, please read before you blame without reason. Thanks!
     
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    It will be 60hz @ 4k and 1080p. You might be able to overclock it to around 65-67hz max at 1080p. It will have a 100% AdobeRGB color gamut though and is looking to be a awesome display, especially if it also gets G-Sync certification.
     
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    If you are so dissatisfied with Clevo; How about buying a Aw / MSI or Asus with BGA hardware next time? Alienware has not even the G-sync screen. Two ram slots tempts as well?
     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Agreed, my thoughts exactly.. Zymphad put up or shut up.. I don't know what all your grief about GSync is but as someone with a non-GSync system like myself, your not missing anything...
     
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    MSI don't have G-Sync as standard at all either, even some models of the GT72 don't have it. Nvidia charges a licensing fee for it.

    Since there is a cost for a feature that can be there or not offering the choice to consumers is the positive thing for sager/clevo to do.
     
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    If my life depended on it, I would have bet my m18x came with a 450 watt PS. But your right, only a 330. Still, one PS over having to lug around two would have been a nice option. Wonder if it is a real world limitation or one based upon making us buy two power supplies to get full potential with the P870DM
     
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    The original Alienware systems could be modded to use two bricks (no official support from dell for this), then in the later revisions (much to Mr. Fox's distaste) they limited the power draw at the input to the motherboard so they were totally beholden to the 330W limit.

    No one makes a greater than 330W brick due to the costs and sizes involved.
     
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    Most likely, Dell will continue with the limited power draw at the input to the motherboard if they're launching a new Aw18R2 model or a new 17 with desktop graphics performance :rolleyes:. This will be a NO NO for overclockers.
     
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    Certainly of the kind round here.
     
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    Those interested in the EUROCOM SKY X9 may find this interesting.

    3DMark 11: GTX 980 video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-6700K,EUROCOM SKY X9 - P17060 3DMarks



     
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    Thanks for doing this, both you and Prema
     
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    +1

    Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
     
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    Great Scott! Computers in the future are powerful! :)
     
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    Review was released on Back to the Future Day. Good catch!
     
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