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Yes, no point going to liquid metal if you are going to destroy the contact anyway

 

Vbios 1080m or for moba BIOS? '-'

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So I decided to do a clean install for my laptop when it comes to gpu drivers and then after uninstalling everything it said it failed to install anything. I tried downloading the drivers again and now nvidia drivers are not finding compatible hardware. I have tried the last 3 versions. Any idea on how I could resolve this?

I think something happened thag disabled the vga adapters I had to run it off battery to show security at the airport that it runs. This is what's showing in device manager now.

 

Just to inform you if you didn't know; That X-ray can not damage your laptop, but a metal detector certainly can!

X-ray cannot damage laptops link: https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001027.htm

I know the airport staff are not stupid enough to scan a laptop through a metal detector as the laptop certainly contains metal. But I wonder if the X-ray box scanner can also metal detect if they enabled it some how. Did any of the airport staff carry a hand-held metal detector wand? as this also could damage electrical appliances at certain angles.

I could be wrong by all this and it might be another problem with your laptop. But I thought it be best to share, as this is how to find and resolve an hardware issue.
best regards.

 

I figured out the issue one of the PCi-E express drivers got effed up somehow. Told windows to update the driver again and it solved everything.

 

Great. I am happy that you posted your issue and resolved it.

 

I'm response to all the posts about liquid metal, I want to share my experience. I had it installed by HIDevolution (CPU only). I've had my p870dm3 since October and have had no issues. My laptop gets moved around a lot, and frequently gets put into my backpack right after long gaming sessions while it is still warm. I repasted everything a little over a week ago (liquid metal for CPU, kryonaut for GPUs) and am happy to report the previous liquid metal application didn't move at all. Seemed like it stayed where it should. HIDevolution used a yellow tinted tape and that seems to have worked well. I left the tape in place and did my own application and so far temps have been identical even after lots of moving the laptop around in my backpack, so I'm fairly certain I did a good job and it's staying where it belongs. I watched a lot of application videos to make sure I did it right. Putting liquid metal on is weird in that it's almost like painting, but it wasn't difficult to create a thin layer mimicking what I saw in application videos.

 

I have had no issues with liquid metal on my CPU or 1 of my GPUs, the only thing I can suggest. Squeeze it out away from the laptop and then move it to the CPU or GPU that you want to put it on with something underneath it just in case it dips prematurely. The only issue I have had was I was trying to rush and I squeezed it out over the GPU and it hit an air bubble then tiny drops sprayed out and I could not find them all

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I use an edge of a square cut small piece of blank printer paper to scrape excess LM off a surface and spread it around, the trick is to have a perfectly flat totally thin sheet of LM with no buildup spots on both contact surfaces, and when the surfaces touch the LM from both combine to form a very thin layer of glue between the parts IF they have perfect flat contact. Without a perfectly flat contact area between both it can be pretty dangerous if your laptop bumps into anything, causing any excess LM to bead up and roll off into who knows where.
I found that if I only had a very thin sheet on 1 contact surface that it wouldn't spread to the heatsink copper even under quite a bit of pressure, but with both surfaces painted they attract each other.
When doing the CPU, a thin strip of Scotch 33 to cover the exposed metal components beside the die works well, but unless you use something like permatex silicone to seal the entirety of the IHS to the PCB you still risk a bead of LM escaping, and they really do slide around like they're on ice until they reach a metal component.

If I do ever try LM on a GPU I would probably create a permatex black silicone wall around the die and copper area, even if it doesn't seal, its variances in texture could still usefully catch errant beads of LM.
^ I'm gonna need a better GPU heatsink or some copper shims, already have enough trouble trying to get Kryonaut to touch!

 

Can someone recommend me a good laptop cooler? I know many recommended one that you would mod later but I am on a trip and would like something that just works well out of the box.

 

No laptop coolers working well out of the box. Flimsy small or the bigger 5v fans doesn't do much. Use whatever you have to raise the back rear end of your laptop. Coke bottle caps work well.

 

Thanks I'll try to find something around

 

Books can make a handy temporary option.

 

Using a fat magazine and a user manual for my camera xD

 

That works too

 

I was doing 1 330W adapter under each back rubber pad until I got my CM U3 Plus w/ NA-FC1 + dual NF-F12 iPPC 2000 PWM lol (awesome combo to invest in btw! fan connectors are awful though, ended up soldering it all together w/ a space saver generic 12V 1A wall adapter)
I would just get a CM U3 Plus and use it with stock fans or no fans at all until you find the time and money to improve it, it works quite well by itself still.

 

I've got my two 330Ws under the back corners of my U3. Plenty of air flow, for the adapters too.

 

WTF! alienware r4 and Asus ROG G701V have higher score than a clevo laptop with dekstop CPU in 3DMark Fire Strike Ultra! https://www.cnet.com/news/the-25-fastest-gaming-laptops/

 

The OriginPc branded P7 model they tested there severely throttles without our firmware...though not sure how they managed to get such bad results, that indeed takes some extra effort.

 

It's a single GPU when the others are SLI, my 3d Mark is 9260 in SLI stock clocks

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Yup I've posted that before and it just gets ignored, real performance is more than close enough and better with BGA components. They always have to show wprime and other CPU intensive benchmarks to justify the LGA all over again, even though it's clear it doesn't matter when gaming.

My GT80 SLI-263 with Broadwell 5950HQ BGA and 128MB EDRAM cache also outperformed LGA CPU laptops in some CPU benchmarks at the time, as well as match / beat them in gaming, but it was all just ignored

 

@Mr. Fox could we kindly have some no throttle single & SLI FS Ultra results with stock CPU & GPU clocks?

 

I don't have your firmware

 

I wish origin was a partner

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From Notebookcheck.net


From link above...

 

Not hardly... Never trust a noob to run benchmarks.

Yes. We can set the record straight right now. Stock CPU and stock GPU, single 1080 and 1080 SLI.

Too bad C|Net did not give us links for direct comparison so we could ridicule the turdbook Physics scores.

If they wanted to run a real man's test it should have been 3DMark 11, but all the children love Fire Strike, LOL.

7700K Stock / 1080 SLI Stock - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13366408


7700K Stock / 1080 (single) Stock - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13366341


So, this table is basically worthless... definitely not accurate.

 

See my post above from Notebookcheck.net vs. the other for Sli

 

Yes, I saw it. And, it appears C|Net does not allow any comments on their false "news" release, LOL. I was going to point out there errant reporting with links to the truth (those above), but I cannot see a way to do that.

 

Both duly noted!

Be humble

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-25-fastest-gaming-laptops/#comments

 

Where they erred in their reporting is they developed a list of the 25 fastest laptops excluding PremaMod Partner products. In other words, the list they provided is based on their noobish experience ranking the 25 fastest laptops that are castrated by cancer firmware.

 

Always. The numbers speak louder than words, but only for those that understand them.

 

Is Cnet even relevant these days? lol

 

I just saw this today
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/6tv1g8/volta_geforce_expected_to_be_officially_released/

I just have one question since i dont know this gpu stuff. Will the P870KM1 able to upgrade to volta ??

 

I can't see them changing the MXM3.0B connection as it is a new interface and its able to take a high wattage. There's only 2 different MXM3.0B GPUs series that can fit in any of the P870km slots and thats the 9 series gtx MXM desktop and the 10 series MXM desktop. So hopfully the 11 series (are what ever the name they will brand Volta) will fit in, thats if they don't change the connection. I hope so because I will buying 2x as soon as

 

It will all depend on the BIOS requirements of the GPUs and design requirements of the range.

 

Maybe Clevo once again change the gpu design layout

 

No

 

Don't forget that it also may depend on how much they fear GPU upgrades will impact new Clevo sales. That may have more bearing on it than anything else.

Brace yourself. They will lose money on end-user upgrades, so if recent history is any indicator they will do something on purpose to screw us again. I expect the same dishonorable behavior from MSI as well.

I can tell you this much... I am 90% certain I will not buy a new high performance laptop again in the next 5 years. If they screw us out of GPU upgrades again that will change to 99.9% certain and I will become a laptop-hating troll like the people from Overclock.net that we have been at enmity with for as long as I can remember. It will all become mobile filth, even if it is not BGA. Homey don't play dat. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.

 

It's not been a factor so far, more design requirements and lack of input from Nvidia.

 

Yeah, NVIDIA has become about as worthless to us as the tits on a boar. They've really turned into unethical losers over the past couple of years. I wish the worst for them financially. Their stupidity certainly isn't doing us any favors.

 

Yes and that too.

Same here. I can't be doing with this upgrade hassle. I hope they dont change the GPU slot.

I thought about this before i bought my Clevo, so I have gone for the 1080p p870km1-g version, just in case I end up keeping the laptop for long time, I'd be able to play future graphical demanding games on 1080p.

If they change the slot, I'm getting a high end desktop. End off!

 

High risk for being screwed one more time + more expensive on top

 

They still make the chips that are decent still. They were just have a more efficient design and avoided HBM on consumer products.

 

All know the reason Nvidia avoided HBM. Just look on the AMD mess. + almost none of the new AMD Graphics for the consumers. It's granted we will be screwed again. And why shouldn't they?

 

I intend to order P870KM1 with gtx 1080 sli today from HID, So i need to ask couple of questions before ordering it as i will have this laptop for at least 3-4 years

1- What is the maximum CPU/GPU temperature u get while playing ??
2- Should i go with the 4K screen or 3K is enough ??
3- Is it really worth to get the SLI ??
4- what is the best backpack i can get for it ??
5- What is it's disadvantages besides its weight and size ??
6- If u got any other laptop in mind just tell me, as i don't know about this overclock and never used it, and this laptop will be used mostly for gaming.

 

Evereki titan is always my recommendation for a bag and for gaming the high refresh rate 3k is the one to go for. SLI is nice for that refresh rate and resolution.

 

1: This depends on your prep work. For reference: I'm getting 82c on CPU max and 77-84c on SLI GPU max. The 7700K CPU is at -70mv undervolt, delid with BitsPower IHS with Grizzly Conductanuat. 2x 1080s both have Grizzly Conductanuat too. My thermal pads are dirty and need changing on both of my heatsinks. This is 12 hours of hardcore use by the way. Over clock fans on in Clevo control centre.

2: 3K 120hz Gsync as you don't have an option for a LG 1080p Gsync IPS at 75hz. 1080p is great for the future if games get more graphically demanding.

3: Yes always get SLI as Nvidia is improving SLI scalling and SLI will be great for 3K gaming. (It's really a 2.5k screen, but majority of people call it 3k)

4: Evereki Titan as stated above. It comes with a rain cover too.

5: low battery life, no triple screen G-sync Nvidia surround because you need 3x displayport sockets. You can still have Nvidia Surround though (upto 4 external screens max) but you cannot have them all on G-sync. Weak plastic housing around the LCD screen. Crap BIOS. A bad keyboard too.

6: I would wait till the next Clevo release so you get the new chipset that can hold the coffe lake CPUs. Also the new Volta GPUs are already around the corner! GTX 1080s are getting old too. I hope this helps.

 

When will they release the new cpu and new volta ??

 

Expect Coffee coming good time before Volta. Why should Ngreedia push out Volta before needed due no competition from Amd?

What's the point pairing Coffee and a new chipset (new desiged MB) with old Pascal? It will take time before we have newest tech in a new Clevo socket beast.

 

Nice one! I never thought of that. There's no competition against the Pascal GPUs. So Volta might be a long way...