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What about the OS


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Idk isn't windows 10 still free? https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/ - Hopefully this still works

 

Yea, I suppose you could deal with the free version for some time but it will eventually get old. Also, consider upgrading to Pro as there are some advantages.

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It's fine for a temporary test but obviously not a great way to use it

 

Hey Eurocom... Any ETA on the Q7 yet?

 

Is not the difference between this and the Max Q5 only the CPU ?

Is this thread specifically then NOT about the max Q5, thats why I ask.

 

Doesn't the PA70HS-G have a regular 1070 and the option for a 7820hk?

 

HP6 and HS use standard gpus. HR use max-q gpus

 

yeah and different motherboard, and 17" totally made a mistake, but just as i did it I went and looked, lol.. yeah we should have them November, once the motherboards are finalised, sorry for putting that in this thread, ahead of time, but at least you know when me and Eurocom will likely have them for sale.

 

So wait, Eurocom ETA for the Q7 is in November?

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Does that mean we'll see a Q5 refresh for CFL? Q7 looks nice but I like small form factor.

 

I was thinking November means Coffee Lake but I believe high-end notebook Coffee Lake will not be released until next year. I'm not sure why they need a new motherboard for the i7-7820HK...

 

Hi would like to find out how good the screen is. Comparing this to the msi ge73vr which has a 89% argb, what is the range of this roughly?

 

Screen's nice and bright.

 

Hello everyone,

I got my PA70Hx? (120hz 2560x1440) a couple of days back and I am not impressed by its cooling. The CPU cooling in particular.

My CPU is running very close to its max (100 degrees celsius) during 1440p gaming, and only a few degrees lower in 1080p. For example today my CPU reached 97*C during PUBG, even with a load of only 60%.

At the same time the GPU is 80-85*C (which is acceptable) with a load of 90%+.

Running an Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool and running the CPU at 100% does not make it go that high at all. Actually it doesn't go higher than mid 80s. So it is CPU and GPU combined that makes the trouble.

Any similar experiences?

 

Which reseller did you buy from and did they or you repaste the CPU? Have you tried undervolting the CPU? What CPU do you have: the 7700HQ or the 7820HK?

 

Thanks for the quick reply

I forgot to say, I have the i7-7700HQ. The reseller is Multicom (Norwegian company). It is not repasted, and I am looking into undervolting (should work without it imo). Idle temps are 60*C with 1% load for both CPU and GPU.

As mentioned earlier CPU-only load does not take the CPU that high, not even with 100% load. It is the CPU- and GPU-load combined (games etc) that makes the cooling fall short. I find it sufficent enough for the GPU though. CPU never goes over 3.6ghz in games (probably due to temp) while with light loads it goes up to 3.8ghz.

 

Not to mention the body (chassis?) getting hot. When the CPU hit 97*C it became uncomfortable to use "W" for running in-game due to temperature. I also am glad I have noise-cancelling headset

 

60*C idle doesn't sound right. I'd say that someone did a ****ty job of pasting.

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I agree!

 

@hinderaker - Usually even the stock/factory paste from Clevo doesn't perform that badly. I would contact the seller about it, unless you feel comfortable with repasting yourself (only if doing so doesn't void your warranty with your seller). It's possible a fan or the heatsink isn't performing as it should.

 

Hello,

Thanks for your input.

Further testing shows idle is in fact 55*C. Do you think this is normal?

"Standard" undervolt of -0,110V brings the max temp of CPU down to 90*C and just avoiding the thermal throttle which actually gives me better performance overall.

My concern is that these temperatures are with only 50% CPU load due to GPU being at 90-100% load (playing pubg). Stress test of CPU only gives max temp of 80-85*C.

Is this the first laptop with this body/chassis and cooling system or is there previous models I can compare with?

I will certainly talk to seller about repasting and warranty. Thanks for the tip.

 

Mine stays in mid 70's while gaming.
44-50 while idle

 

What are you playing? I get those numbers too while gaming CS:GO or Paladins. But then GPU-load is only 60-70*C.

As mentioned earlier it's when GPU works "overtime" that CPU gets to hot.

I do have higher idle temps though so thats hard proof of something being different with my system.

 

A little Fortnite & Rocket League.

 

I don't play Rocket League but I'll do some Fortnite to compare

I think max for CPU with 100% load should be 85-ish (75-80-ish with undervolting) even while GPU is at 100%. Seeing CPU getting so affected by GPU worries me with regards to lifespan and performance.

 

Anything over 50 C idle is on the excessive side, unless you have a lot of background applications using up CPU resources.

Closest comparison might be the P650HS. As best I can recall, idle on that - on our end - ran right around 35 Celsius (clean install of Windows).

 

Playing 1 game of Fortnite: GPU: 58-60 CPU: 71-75. No undervolt Applied.
Automatic Fan Profile.

 

Fornite with 1080p, rest on EPIC gives 85*C on CPU, 80 on GPU and an avrage FPS of 70-90.

 

I've done further and more accurate testing. Idle temps (shut everything down) are 44*C. At 100% load (prime95 for 5 minutes) temp stabilize at 72*C. Indoor temp is 21*C. Idle temp could've been lower imo but I am more than happy with the temp at 100% load.

Only problem is, as I've stressed many times now, when you put high load on the GPU aswell. For some reason a GPU-load of 90%+ (temp of 80-85*C) brings my CPU to 90+*C (even though it is only at 50-60% load) and triggers thermal throttling.

Lower graphic settings OR games like CS:GO (and reportedly Rocket League) which has <75% GPU-load gives good temps at 70*C-ish for both CPU and GPU.

I guess re-pasting would shave some degrees of these numbers but I have to conclude that this model does not have sufficient cooling for max (stock, see side note) hardware utilization unless you are comfortable with temperatures of 90+*C and thermal throttling.

As a side not: Undervolting (-0,110V) takes you just on the edge of thermal throttling, and with re-pasting you might be in the clear completely, but this should not be necessary on a high-end computer like this and you would still have one hot CPU if you max out your GPU!

 

Have you got rise of the tomb rider?
Another user made a test doing some benchmarks in a row, and these were his temperatures, you can try to see if yours are similar or totally different.

 

I do not, but I would most certianly get it for comparison.

My issue though is to replicate this so it is in fact comparable. Does this person have the QHD (2560 x 1440) version and which graphic settings is he/she using?

 

Only had time for 3 back-to-back runs.
Fresh install (standard settings, didn't even go into options and see)

Idle: CPU - 44, GPU N/A
Run 1: CPU - 90, GPU N/A
Run 2: CPU - 93, GPU N/A
Run 3: CPU - 95, GPU 79

Overall score: 72 fps

I will do a full 10 run test and also note GPU temps when I have better time, but clearly something is up!

 

Here you can find his review:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/evoc-pa71hs-g-review.809109/

He has gtx 1070, but a full HD screen instead of QHD.

I know that your screen is more demanding, but those temperatures seems really to high to me... Maybe they did something wrong while assembling the components?

 

Here is another 5 runs with with 1080 instead of 1440:

Run 1: CPU - 79, GPU 61
Run 2: CPU - 87, GPU 66
Run 3: CPU - 92, GPU 69
Run 4: CPU - 91, GPU 71
Run 5: CPU - 93, GPU 73

Overall score: 98 fps

 

Heya! If you don't mind me asking, which reseller did you buy it through?

 

Norwegian one called Multicom.

As far as I know (and from the looks of it) they do not apply thermal paste or anything. The unit is re-branded with their logo and packaging only, probably by Clevo themself.

 

That's not bad for idle on this model, really. 45 Celsius is pretty typical on a lot of systems.

 

Thanks, good to know

Do you have any idea why my CPU-temp is so insanly affected by GPU-load? To the point that it goes beyond the temp of the GPU even though CPU has "medium" load?

Standalone only stress testing / benchmarking CPU it stabilizes around 72 degrees at 100% load over 5+ minutes. Then playing PUBG (which is demanding) or running benchmark of GPU where CPU has a lower load (50-60%) it goes up to 90+*C in under 5 minutes.

 

Could you test your system with aida64 extreme stability test cpu+gpu for 30 minutes?

 

Unified heatsink (CPU & GPU share the heatsink). It's not ideal, but it is normal for the temps on one chip to go up when the other has load.

 

If you are only loading the GPU that heat passes across the CPU which is just a small square of silicon so will heat up very quickly, it then gets expelled using the CPU fan.

 

Thanks. That actually makes sense. Do you know of any gaming laptop that doesn|t have a unified heatsink? What about those packing a desktop cpu? I saw the new Clevo P870T / P775T with i7-8700K at 95W!?!

 

In theory this sounds good, but my CPU heats up way beyond what it would do with 100% load (25 degrees more in the worst case). Even beyond the temp of the GPU (10-15 degrees more).

 

You can get higher temps yes though you may want to look at your paste job.

 

This is another post of the one with 1070 - FHD:

I'm convinced that there is something wrong with your cooling system...

 

P775tm and p870tm should have separate heatsink

 

Hey Guys, I'm kinda new to this forum. But should someone start an owner's lounge for this model (and perhaps its gtx 1060 brother?). I have no idea how owners lounges work