Official Clevo PC70DP /DR /DS Owner's Lounge

USA
Sager NP8770
RJTech PC70D
XoticPC PC70

Australia
Metabox PC70D

UK
Scan 3XS Vengeance GL 3080


10th Gen Intel Core i7-10870H or i7-10875H Processor

• 17.3" Thin Bezel Full HD 144Hz, Wide View Angle, 72% NTSC Matte Display
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060/3070/3080 (Max-Q design)
• 0.78 inches thin slim design

Dimensions & Weight
5.07 lbs. including bare bone and 73WH Battery Pack
15.60" (w) x 10.43" (d) x 0.78" (h)

Chipset
Intel HM470 Express Chipset

Memory
Supports Dual Channel DDR4
Two 260Pin SODIMM sockets, support for DDR4 up to 2933MHz (Real operation frequency depends on processor)
Expandable up to 64GB, depends on 8GB/16GB/32GB SODIMM module

Hard Drive Capacity
One M.2 2280 SSD, SATA / PCIe Gen3x4 interface or Two M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3x4 interface (RAID 0/1)

Display and Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060/3070/3080
- NVIDIA Max-Q Design
- Support PCIe x16
- Microsoft DirectX 12 Compatible
- NVIDIA PhysX
- NVIDIA CUDA Technology
- Maximum TGP: 105 W (including 15W Dynamic Boost 2.0)
Intel UHD 630 Graphics (Integrated in Intel Core i7 processor)
- HDR Support
- Rec. 2020 (Wide Color Gamut)
- Microsoft DirectX 12 Compatible

Communications
Built-in Gigabit Ethernet LAN
Intel Dual Band Wireless Wi-Fi 6 AX + Bluetooth
Killer Dual Band Wireless-AX 1650X + Bluetooth

Audio
High Definition audio interface
S/PDIF Digital output
Built-in Array Microphone
2 Built-in Speakers
Sound Blaster Atlas with Smart Amplifier

Keyboard and Mouse
Built in Secure pad with Microsoft PTP multi-gesture and scrolling function
Multi languages, Single Zone Multi-Color illuminated full size keyboard with numeric pad. (15 colors to select)
Fully programmable macro capability - customize individual key as hot key / multiple keystrokes in one key

Ports
MicroSD Card reader up to UHS-ll
1 HDMI output Port (with HDCP)
1 Mini DisplayPort 1.4 output Port
1 Thunderbolt 3 Port
3 USB 3.2 Gen 1 Ports (Type A, 1 x powered USB port, AC/DC)
1 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Microphone / S/PDIF Optical output)
1 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Headphone / Microphone)
1 RJ-45 LAN (10/100/1000Mbps)

Battery and Power Lead
Embedded 3 cells Polymer battery pack 73WH
Full Range AC-in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, 180W AC Adapter, DC output 19.5V, 9.23A

Security
Kensington Lock
Area Fingerprint Reader
Intel PTT (Platform Trust Technology)

Operating System
Windows 10 (64-bit)

 

I see that you own one. Looking forward to your benchmarks and temps!

 

yep, thats the plan as soon as it arrives. hoping it ships today.

 

wher's the pics?

 

no pics just yet. ill be adding some as soon as i receive my unit.

 

I look forward to them.

 

Well I won't be posting pics anytime soon. My laptop is now delayed until 04/23. Which honestly leaves me a little jaded.

 

@Meaker@Sager, not sure if you can answer this, will sager be offering the NP8770S-S with a 1440p or 2160p panel upgrade option down the road? if so any idea how much it might cost? i would really love to get a higher resolution panel than the 1080p.

 

I don't have that sort of information in advance. For now, no.

 

Ahoy, I'm awaiting delivery of a PC70DS, should be arriving this weekend fingers crossed. UK supplier, model is Scan's 3XS Vengeance GL3080 (may be worth adding to product list at the top of thread?). Very excited to test it out. Coming in from a 2080 Super Max-Q so unsure of how much real-world difference I'll see. It's a DS-D specifically, so has a 240Hz panel apparently.

 

lucky bugger, you got a slightly upgraded model with the 10875 and the multi zone keyboard. ill add that vendor to the list

also the 3080 Max-Q is supposedly gonna be close the same performance of a 2080 Super Max-Q based on everything i have seen. im coming from a 1060 so its a significant upgrade for me, i hope its a decent upgrade for you as well. what were you running before?

 

I'd assume the same performance wise.

 

Wait what? how do you know it's a multi zone keyboard? From what I'd seen I thought it was single zone! You've got my hopes up now haha...

Yeah I figured as much. So basically I bought a PC70DN2 (the 2080 Super Max-Q) back in November but it had some hardware and performance issues. Sent it back, since it was end of product life I was offered to pay the difference to get one of the new 30-series, so I forked out to get the 3080. I knew that real world difference wouldn't be huge so I am nervous about having possibly paid money pointlessly, but my justification logic is currently:

1. Newer model = maybe more compatibility with this next generation of drivers as they get updated
2. Smaller GPU architecture = better power efficiency, so *maybe* it will run a little cooler than the 2080?
3. I'd hope going from 8GB VRAM to 16GB VRAM would see an improved capacity for higher in-game shader settings at the same FPS performance

Fingers crossed that's not all baseless, and maybe there's other perks I've missed. Regardless, having already shelled out for the 'upgrade' I have to desperately cling on to the immortal words of Barney Stinson "new is always better"

 

based on the pictures provided on their site, it looks like the multizone model. im assuming since you also got the custom build that it will come with that.

 

is the $500 differences justifiable btw 3070 to 3080 ?

i'm gonna wait for the intel 11th Gen before making a move

Please do some benchmark on 3080 since is a Max-Q 90W (Dynamic boost to 105W) - i'm less optimistic on the performance since Gigabyte Aorus 15P can cramp in 130W on a super thin chassis, i don't see why is not happening on Sager thin chassis notebook as well

 

thats the plan. i am hoping it will pull some good benchmarks. though aza484 might beat me to posting benchmarks since his reseller is getting it shipped sooner than mine.

 

I'd stick with the 3070 imo.

 

only reason i went with the 3080 is because i need the notebook to last the next 3-5 years gaming wise. otherwise i would have gone with the 3070 as Meaker suggests.

 

The ram is nice for long term use so fair enough on that.

 

did your PC70DS arrive?

 

So, it's arrived. First thing to note, it has a 10870H in it, not the 10875H. I've emailed my reseller, but I'm fairly confident it's a mistake in their listing rather than a mistake in what I've been sent, but either way is ****ty and I'm not sure what I can do about it. I can also confirm that it is a single zone RGB keyboard as I initially thought, with just a misleading picture in the listing. Sucks to be feeling a little crestfallen instead of nothing but excitement, but oh well!

Photos below, and let me know what benchmarks y'all want me to run.

 

you have no idea how jelly i am of you right now. those pics look awesome.

 

you'll get there!

Not sure what benchmarks you guys would like, but geekbench stats:

CPU: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/7240645

GPU (CUDA): https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/2630634

GPU (OpenCL): https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/2630644

 

Timespy

 

You should also post a cinebench score

Sent from my SM-G986U using Tapatalk

 

as much as it pains me i cancelled my order. due to the fact that there is not ship date on it. maybe once things clear up down the road ill reorder the system.

 

Its a rough time at the moment for parts, hopefully things get at least a little better.

 

can you post some screenshot of the 3080 in GPUZ and HWiNFO64 ?

do the 3080 hit 105W consistently or only during heavy load ?

 

Timespy results -

Using inbuilt display:





Using external LG 27GL850:

 

You should be able to push it to at least 10.000, cf. NBR's results: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...ightweight-High-End-All-Rounder.526379.0.html

Using the laptop's display yours is closer to last year's 2080 maxq.

 

How would I go about improving it?

 

Make sure you're using the Performance power profile
Undervolt the CPU with Throttlestop (note that you can also change the TGP there)
Undervolt the GPU with Afterburner using the curve method

 

are there any specific settings recommended for this machine yet? I don't want to brick it...

 

You can't brick it when undervolting. Just start with a conservative -50mV for the cpu and then move up until your system becomes unstable during either idle or load scenarios. Unstable means bsods etc, which won't brick your machine. The voltage curve in Afterburner for the gpu is a bit more work but also not dangerous at all.

E.g. I'm running a typical -100mV for the cpu. Do a search on the forum how to use Throttlestop and Afterburner.

 

Thought I had Throttlestop settled, got BSOD at -115mV so backed off to -100 and seemed to be doing just fine, then suddenly - BSOD loop each restart. Panicked and so set TS to failsafe profile with default settings and still got BSOD. Disabled scheduled task to start it up and no BSOD since. So now seemingly just starting TS crashes computer. Confused lol.

 

Furthermore, Afterburner won't even scan, it fails every time. Normal and legacy scan mode. Any thoughts/help appreciated!

 

Weird that Throttlestop crashes. Try uninstall and reinstall and set undervolt at last safe setting? -100mv? Check the bsod logs?

What do you mean with Afterburner scan? The auto OC feature? It's buggy on laptop gpus. Have you tried changing the voltage curve?

 

Yeah ctrl + f and modify the curve is the only proper way.

 

These scores seem low - I have the PC50DR (15" version of the PC70) with 3070 and 10870 and I was able to get this:

I think there was a 30 MHz overclock/undervolt using the NVIDIA auto tuning feature of GeForce Experience, but even without any tuning it is around 9800-9900 on the graphics score.

 

It's a low TDP variant of the rtx 3070 so that score is ok I think.

 

Hi guys,

I recently lost my 5 year old laptop during a GPU replacement gone awry.
Disappointment and frustration aside (it was a pretty decent DTR and planning to keep it as back up, while waiting for the market to settle down before buying a new laptop) I found this model that on paper seems on a pretty sweet spot between price and performance, and more importantly still available for purchase among many resellers.

I would still like to learn a bit more about it before fully committing, in particular about its thermals, given its thin profile, compared to beefy DTRs. And if it other design flaws have been noticed yet (like the need to unscrew the back to remove the battery, which in this day and age, seems almost made only to annoy people).

I am planning a configuration with 3070 max-q, as the increase in performance and specs compared to the 3080 max-q seems too negligible for the current price difference.
And with a i7-10870H, rather than a i7-10875H, for the same reasons as above.

Another question regard the possible availability of Prema modded bios, and if any of you guys has had the chance to use it on this machine (or have come across any video or review detailing the improvements for this particular model of laptop).
I am also looking for Prema partners in Europe, as I have not been able to find any updated information about it yet, in this forum and elsewhere.

Cheers

 

There's no prema mod for this series. If you want a dtr I suggest Clevo's X170KM. If you want thin and light, the new Tongfang models are much more capable than Clevo's PC series (see in 'Other Manufacturers' on this forum).

 

No prema mod then, I see.
Thank you for the reply, in a way it's reassuring point, as I won't be tempted to mess with the extra bios settings and try my luck with overclocking. Plus I have not been able to find European prema partners yet, anyway.

In regard to going for the X170KM, I still have it under my radar, but it's double the cost compared to the pcc70dp, offering only a quarter more performance, hence the better cost\performance ration I was referring to in my previous message.
Besides, I imagine full power RTX 30 series cards are overpriced at the moment, due to these crazy times, and without modded bios and heatsink, I have read they can easily make a laptop double as space heater.

What has been bothering me the most is the shortage\lack of reviews on this laptop models, that's why I hope to hear from actual owners of it, to know if it gets too warm, and if it has any other flaws to consider.

 

Compare notebookcheck's reviews of the XMG Pro (this series) with XMG Neo (tongfang). The latter gives better performance for a better price.

 

XMG Pro, got it, thanks.
I have read elsewhere that Tongfang makes laptops with soldered gpus and cpus, so I prefer to avoid their products, just in the off chance I need to replace those pieces myself.

Another weird thing about this model is the apparent lack of a manual. I have been looking for it for hours, with no luck, so I am starting to suspect I may be using the wrong designation.
It would be good to have it, to check its internals and specs. I remember it coming in handy many times with my P771dm.

 

Clevo's PC series is also fully soldered, the X170KM is the only laptop in 2021 that is not BGA.

 

I see, I was not aware of that, I'll keep it in mind.

 

And when I say only I mean across all brands, except for Alienware area 51 R2.

 

Not much MXM action