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Usually upgrading the machine is a bad return on investment when selling.

 

Yeah after you mentioned that earlier I went to try and see if there was any confirmed news. But, all I could find where some rumor posts with benchmarks that were only a few hours old. But, since it’s not a long wait I’ll see what happens.

Can’t say I need a octo-core processor in a laptop. But, it would be fun.

@ meaker@sager

Ah I see what you mean. Sell off the higher end components and replace with the lower end ones and use it like a media pc down the road. I actually wouldn’t have thought of that. Clever.

 

That or sell the higher cost components individually and sell the cheapest config you can. You will get the most back this way.

 

I had to do that way back when the Alienware 17 had MXM gpu’s and such. No one really wanted to buy it as a whole, but as soon as I parted it out there was a bit of interest. I’m too used to these thin and lights that are sadly more or less disposable after they’ve lived there usefulness. And while I thought the eGPU idea was gonna he’ll in the regard it really doesn’t justify the added cost with how much performance you lose. Hence why I’m interested in going back to a desktop replacement like this.

 

It needs another generation of connectivity I think before external will be a viable option.

 

Hardware unboxed has a good video about saying he believes we need a next gen thunderbolt port. Which makes sense. . . .

 

One integrated into the CPU would help a lot.

 

I think Alienware does that with their eGPU? Think that’s why it requires a reboot when connecting and disconnecting it.

 

It uses direct lines from the CPU yes (hence why their internal GPUs are 8x)

 

Is it easy to change cpu for this model? It would be nice to put i9-9900k in this model to replace i7-8700k. All rumors say i9-9900k would be compatible to z370. Tdp is also 95w

 

Yes, assuming it will indeed support the new CPUs, it is easy to change as long as you know how to delid, and paste properly.

 

Does the Prema BIOS also need to be updated to support 8-core CPU?

 

Most likely, but we will have to wait to see for sure.

 

Thanks. I just can’t wait to see that happen.

 

Just be aware it's the heat and power of an extra 30% basically, it would draw some juice

 

I think it might need 150W for 8 cores 5 GHz ?

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccfte...core-x-refresh-cpu-family-october-launch/amp/

So we’re are getting the next 9th gen CPUs in October. That’s exciting. The 9700k has me stumped. It has eight cores and eight threads. Though it was a typo at first, but they talk about it in article so I guess it’s not.

 

We will have to see for exact power levels.

 

There was a rumour on the tech sites that both the i9-9900k and i7-9700K would only be sold with a soldered IHS, making delidding quite a bit more difficult. Anyone here heard this, or is this not that big a deal even if true?


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I think you can get up to speed on some of the discussion starting here - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-welcome-too.810490/page-300#post-10770613

 

Should be perfect for us gamers, though I guess I won't personally be in the market for a new rig until well after Intel is expected to be selling 10nm-process chips, anyway.

The new gen of gpu’s likely coming out about the same time is what I think I'll probably be most jealous of though.



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I was testint for a few hours my 751TM1, tried to figure out the appropriate voltage for gpu. 0,931V around 170-175W resulted 16k superposition, Overwatch epic test for 10mins 81C, which seems ok. the card boosted to 1885mhz. I still consider this small clevo a well built, you do not need to sacrifice to much gpu performance for OK temps. If I have some time I will try to find optimal cpu/gpu setting. I have some shots I will upload later on

 

Going back to soldered IHS is a good thing. Although the cynic in me suspects Intel had no other choice with the octo-cores putting out 33% more heat than the current hexa-cores.

 

As I remember the 2500/2600 series were the latest IHS soldered cpus, and they worked on pretty ok temps. It could be a good thing...

 

Guess you're right. After catching up on the linked thread about LM vs Soldered, I'm def. thinking it's a good thing for those of us who are primarily gamers and only wanna-be overclockers (just speaking about myself here, to be clear, but I know I'm not the only one). But it did sound like some of the really serious overclockers were a bit salty about not having the option, though. Also a lot of skepticism about how soon we'll see any truly next-gen GPU's actually available, due to the collapse of bitcoin and vast surplus of current-gen tech.

In the meantime, I'm still amazed daily at how powerful the P750TM1 is on my typical gaming/financial modeling/rendering activities, and how manageable the heat is as long as I'm not pushing it past its limits with Cinebench or Furmark! Most capable machine I've ever owned, and not by just a little bit. The fact that this kind of power is available in a notebook (yeah, I know it's a bit chunky, but still) just blows my mind.

 

33% more cores does not necessary mean equal % more heat. Bigger die and more optimized chips will lower max heat vs smaller current 6 core die. But of course they needed it due 8 cores will still be within Intels stated 95w TDP specs and increased power consumption if overclocked.

 

A bigger die lowers heat density but the overall heat increase scales pretty linearly with the increase in core count. You can see that with 8700K package power being ~50% higher than 7700K running the same load at the same voltage and clock speed. It's not an optimized process, it's using the same 14nm++ as the current Coffee Lake chips.

 

The exact process is not confirmed yet I believe but power is pretty linear with core count, it's a little less due to the uncore not growing buly the same amount.

 

Let's hope it's supported in our systems and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

 

I wonder if there’s any update for prema bios for this model (p751tm-g) since the original release early year.

 

You need to check with your Prema Partner vendor to see what updates may be available for your machine.

 

Hi Donald, I bought it from HiDevolution

 

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Thanks!

 

@yrekabakery :

Hey, remember a couple weeks ago you were trying to help me figure out why Witcher 3 ran with a gimped GPU frequency on my Sager NP9155?

Well, I never gave up trying to find the source of the problem, and I finally figured it out, after reading the new online review of the P775TM1-G on notebookcheck.com.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Euroc...0-Clevo-P775TM1-G-Laptop-Review.319938.0.html

Commenting on gaming tests of the P775TM1-G, the reviewer wrote this:

"Performance when gaming is below average for the GTX 1080 not unlike on the Eurocom Q8. Running Witcher 3 at 1080p and Ultra settings returns an average frame rate of 62 FPS compared to almost 80 FPS on the Alienware 17 R4, Asus G703, or Aorus X9 DT. The buggy Control Center is to blame as frame rates return to normal after disabling the Clevo software."

This certainly got my attention, so I fired up msconfig, rebooted with minimal services, manually started the Steam client service, and ran Witcher 3 again, fully configured at Ultra Graphics and High post-processing, 1920x1080 full-screen, no framerate limits. (I also used NVidia profile inspector to make sure the GPU was set to prefer maximum performance).

Lo and behold, I now seemed to have a full-frequency GTX 1080 to play the game with!

I ran Witcher 3 for a little over 19 minutes, almost all of which was spent running around in Novigrad, and the GPU load stayed in the high 90's (97-99%), with GPU frequencies a bit over 1800mhz to start. The framerates were outstanding, never dropping below 100 even once that I noticed, and generally staying in the 110+ fps range. CPU frequences averaged around 4300mhz and CPU temps averaged in the mid-60's (running the 8086k at stock multipliers with a 120mV adaptive undervolt).

The GPU temp almost immediately rose to 80c, and then more gradually rose from that to 90c over a period of about 10 minutes. After reaching 90c, it alternated from 89c to 90c and the GPU frequency would then bounce from just over 1700mhz to close to 1800mhz. This seemed to be stable, as it never changed during the last 9-10 minutes of gameplay.

Below this post, I've attached a screenshot of the GPU section of HWInfo that I had running during this session. I reset the sensors right at the start of gameplay and captured this screenshot as soon as I could after ending the session. Note that GPU throttling was observed at some point during gameplay for every possible reason except Max Operating Voltage and SLI GPUBoost Sync (obviously!), though I don't know how *much* of this session experienced GPU throttling. The game performance itself was at all points, subjectively speaking, superb, with no lag, stuttering, or anything else noticeable except very, very smooth gameplay and great framerates.

So, anyway, I was interested in your thoughts - the 90c GPU temperature is disappointing for sure, though not unexpected, I guess. BTW, I had full fans on during the entire test.

I'm not sure why Clevo's software has picked Witcher 3 to enforce some kind of reduced GPU frequency limit, but it seems to be true, at least on this machine.

I'm not really willing to permanently disable the Clevo software and lose the OSD and hotkey functionality just so I can play Witcher 3 while overheating my GPU, so this doesn't really change much for me, but at least I know why this was happening now.

 

Think your new configuration is related to this thread - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ter-2-0-is-the-one-causing-throttling.819744/ ??

 

Interesting. I knew about the CCC 2.0 throttling but wasn't aware that the bug was present in the older version of CCC as well. I assumed NBC's X4C review was a fluke because I haven't seen anyone else with this system have the same kind of throttling with CCC installed, but it may be that only Witcher 3 triggers it. Very strange.

Anyway, the throttling is fixed in an updated version of CCC 2.0, but I'm not sure about systems like this one that use the older version of CCC. Perhaps @XMG would know?

 

The closest independant references we can make are to the Notebookcheck review of the P775DM-3, this was made last year with CCC v1 and the Witcher 3 frame rate was between 66 and 76 fps, though the review attributes the weaker results (they expected to see 80 fps as with other GTX 1080 reviewer laptops) to the non-K 7700.

I've also had no indication that Witcher 3 was affected by CCC v1, however I just don't have the data available to be easilly or the time (to be frank) to go through the whole business (though some of my colleagues are doing just that!!!!).

 

It alsi might have to do with CCC installing XTU aswell? I've heard that this also has affects.

 

Just to be clear, the reports I've read about this - both on NBR and elsewhere - have only mentioned the lower-than-expected framerates, as you described. My problem was slightly more concrete - while monitoring GPU core frequency with HWInfo, running Witcher 3 causes the core frequency on the GPU to literally hard-lock on 1404.5Mhz, and nothing - absolutely nothing - would move it off of that frequency while Witcher 3 was playing - that frequency never even twitches from that value, even down to the least significant digit.

Now this translated to lower framerates I'm sure, but I could get playable framerates easily, even at that much lower than desired frequency, by simply making a couple of minor adjustments to the game's graphics settings. Doing so, I could get framerates easily back up in 80's and 90's. But it was the locked GPU core frequency that was driving me crazy, since I couldn't figure out what was going on.

@m4gg0t : I definitely do have XTU installed as well as CCC. You're saying it could possibly be something about the combination of the two that is causing this? The only symptom I've seen so far is with Witcher 3 specifically. I can run other games and benchmarks (3dMark, Unigine benchmarks, Passmark, etc.) and everything runs just great.

 

Guys,
Anyone has an unlocked bios for 751tm1?
Thx in advancd

 

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Also @Mr. Fox look how perfectly flat these heat sinks are. The machining is impeccable. None of that typical Clevo QC with the warped heat plates.

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Very nice. I also decided to order one, thanks to you.

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Sweet. Did you order from eBay? How long it did take to arrive for you?

I got mine from the same seller on AliExpress, and it took almost a month.

 

Yes, I did. It took about two weeks to get here.

 

Is it better?

 

Do you mean bios file for downloading?

 

yes, and what is the latest official bios for it? thx in advance

Will you make some kind of comparison tests? I am very much interested in seeing if there is any difference, thx in advance!

Could you also provide the link of it? If it improves the temp, I might get one

 

I have new thermal pads arriving in a few days (gonna swap out the stock ones with thinner pads), then I will do before and afters.

You can get the heatsink from here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/new-for-Cl...m+heatsink&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW...ba5d-4155-b4e4-3ba0f0883d08&priceBeautifyAB=0

 

Anyone could share what is the latest official bios available for 751tm1? Link is fine