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    *** Official Clevo W230SS/Sager NP7338 Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Ryan, Mar 20, 2014.

  1. Meaker@Sager

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    Lots of settings to play with after, it does the vbios too.
     
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    Yeap, I've been digging around in the forum for some time before I registered. This is no mere "unlocked" bios. There are some very nice tweaks in place, apparently.

    I am eaaaaaagerrrrrr to try it. Careful as I am, tho...I want to have a backup plan in case things go South with the flash. I understand some models have a bios recovery feature, but in other cases things look much more elaborate: from having to send over the laptop to solder in a new chip to reprogramming it manually. And I admittedly don't know the first thing about that scenario =/.

    Do you guys know what the process looks like for this particular model? I want to know the facts before I bite the bullet.
     
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    Follow the instructions, in terms of flashing it on there is not too much to do wrong if you do.
     
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    Hello, I have a W230SS with i7-4712MQ, HD Graphics 4600/GTX 860M and 16GB DDR3-1866MHz RAM, running Windows 10 Pro 20H2 and 1.03.08a BIOS/1.03.02 EC. For about a year now, I'm getting VIDEO_DXGKRNL_FATAL_ERROR or DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE BSODs every few days to several times per day. I've tried several possible solutions, but can't seem to get rid of it. Do you guys have any insight regarding this problem?
     
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    Any particular pattern to it happening?
     
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    The problem seems to be a bug in Windows 10 or Intel drivers or combination of them with Nvidia driver when you have the on-board Intel GPU activated too. It feels like it happens sometimes when switching between the iGPU and the dGPU.
     
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    Flashed it already! I made sure to let Prema know I absolutely love it. Like you said: lots of things to play with now!

    I'll try to set up an egpu at some point. But not before sampling the now premafied 860m that comes with the laptop =).
     
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    Should be a nice bump :)
     
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    Been reading about the possibility of implementing an egpu setup with EXP GDC Pcie.

    While it usually is done by removing the wifi card and using a dongle or ethernet cable for connection, I understand this model offered a 3G card as a factory option in one of the mSata ports (top left when opening the laptop).

    I find that interesting because this guy has managed to set up his through the WWAN slot:



    Mine does detect the wifi card when I swap it from its original port to the 3G/mSata port (checked in device manager) although it does not detect the graphics card in the latter port (and does detect it in the former, originally taken by the wifi card.)

    As I understand it, *some* slots can offer a combination of msata/mpcie and I wonder if the one that would accept a 3G minicard is such a slot.

    What do you guys think? I would honestly love to pull it off rather than just remove the wifi card. I might try using that video as a guide.
     
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    It's usually horribly bandwidth starved on a 1x slot.
     
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    True, but given it is the only option I have for upgrades I would like to try it regardless.

    I have access to a gtx 1080 I can use for testing purposes.

    Been reading this thread and apparently some people have managed to use the 3g module in their particular seller's model, dunno if it would be true for others like mine. This COULD mean that slot is mPcie-friendly (appart from the wifi one, which I'd rather leave alone).

    That would be neat.
     
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    Would the Prema BIOS allow me to disable the iGPU? I'd like to check if the switching between the iGPU and dGPU is the source of the BSODs.
     
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    I think he locks that option as it bricks your display output options (nothing is wired to the dgpu).
     
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    Can confirm it doesn't allow you to disable de igpu, just to tweak it. That would make sense, considering I've read in a couple of places of people that bricked their machines by doing so, as Meaker mentions. It is probably for the best.

    Not an expert here, but maybe if you want to isolate you can set the dgpu permanently in nvidia control panel.
     
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    That's about as close as you can get.
     
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    Hey there, fellas!

    Been digging around to see if I could connect an eGpu through the 3g/mSata slot, under the premise that it *could* be mPcie friendly (as the 3g minicard is mPcie), to avoid having to dispense with the Wifi minicard to free up the only other mPcie port.

    Long story short, 3g module compatibility (and thus *potential* mPcie compatibility of the slot) depends on the exact board model you have for the W230SS. These are, to my knowledge, the following 4:

    -6-77-W230SS00-D02A-3#10 MAIN BOARD V2.0A ( W/O 3G,TPM)
    -6-77-W230SS00-D02A-2#10 MAIN BOARD V2.0A(W/O 3G) ( W/TPM)
    -6-77-W230SS00-D02A-1#10 MAIN BOARD V2.0A ( W/3G)(W/O TPM)
    -6-77-W230SS00-D02A#10 MAIN BOARD V2.0A(W/3G,TPM)

    Alas, I'm out of luck! Mine is the first one listed, which is not set for 3g from factory. But regardless, I thought I would share this information with other users that might want to know if they can install something on said slot. It also specifies if the board would accept TPM.

    If you are out of luck too, you could swap the motherboard and install antennas. But that's it.

    I hope this helps someone!
     
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    Hey there, guys!

    I recently graduated as an amateur computer handyman by breaking my first ram module lol.

    I know. No, please, hold your applause...

    I had two 8 gb sticks an it is now running fine on one (yay for redundancy!). Still, I started looking at sticks and I realized I know very little about it.

    More gygabites and frequency seems to be better overall (taking CL into account, too) but there are limits by virtue of chipset (HM87), processor (4940mx here), OS (16 gb Win10) and possibly others, but:

    -What are the actual maxes for the W230SS? Not taking into account OS.

    -How does all this interact with the Prema Bios? And what about overclocking? Is there any difference between factory overclocked sticks and "home" ones?

    I might be a little confused and help would be appreciated. I know I should not fret too much about it since the performance yield is very small, but I want to know regardless.
     
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    2133mhz if the IMC will cope.
     
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    Thanks for the response!

    I don't fully understand, tho. Say I got a couple of HyperX Impact sticks at 2133Mhz from factory for a good price. Are they not guaranteed to work at that frequency?
     
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    No, Intel only guarantees the chip has been tested to 1600Mhz.
     
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    I see. So if I were to get the aforementioned sticks:

    -Would they work albeit at 1600 instead of 2133?

    -Can they still be overclocked manually to approach their max frequencies in some degree?
     
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    Have you checked your BIOS for options? 1866Mhz is safe usually.
     
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    Yep. Prema Bios. It allows you to set higher frequencies within a custom DIMM profile up to 2667. Can play with a lot other parameters, too.

    It is just that I have never really thought about RAM clocks up until now , since I never really had to upgrade RAM =/. No idea how the process looks like in practice, apart from sticks in and out.
     
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