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Strange I am using the M.2 slot in my x170km for the PCI-E 4 and two slots of m.2 (bottom set) for sata without issue.

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This is good to hear, I hope this is the case for mine. I mean a 2TB drive should be fine for my pcie 4 but I have older drives i wouldnt mind tossing in if they work. Might only be the case because its sata. Wonder what happens if you toss in another nvme drive in there.

 

What a serious design limitation.

 

This not correct. It can only handle a single Gen4 PCIe SSD when using an 11th gen CPU. Otherwise it supports up to 3 Gen3 SSDs. No Gen4 without an 11th generation CPU

https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1416&lang=en

 

Multiple NVMe drives are supported at the same time. The only limitations are the Gen4 slot only works if you have a Rocket Lake CPU which has an extra 4 PCIe lanes wired directly to that slot from the CPU. The rest of the M.2 slots are connected to the PCH, limited to Gen3x4 each. Of those three slots, two can also accept M.2 SATA drives. The third slot also support an Intel Optane drive.

Attached is a photo of HWInfo64 with a 2TB SN850, 2TB 970 Evo Plus and 1TB 970 Evo operating at the same time. I do not have a fourth M.2 drive lying around or I would have installed it as well. Let me know if you have any other questions.

 

What CL memory are you using? Does it matter if I am not doing gaming. Mostly development, SQL, running VMs and occasionally editing videos

 

This is excellent feedback. Thanks for the picture backing it up. Those are the same drives I was planning to use. I got the 2TB SN850 to go into the PCIe 4 port so I can get those insane speeds (Not that Ill use them lol) and then fill the other ports with my older samsung 970 evos. Im really looking forward to getting all my components in to assemble everything. Its going to blow my current old GTX970m laptop out of the water! I travel a lot for work and I love gaming. Recently Ive been traveling with a ps4 and my laptop. It gets cumbersome. Cant wait to go back to just a laptop.

 

The total bandwidth of the chipset is the same as the x4 PCI-E 4.0 so that will be the cap of that storage.

 

I'm running the latest version of XTU (from May 12 2021). Stock bios on the X170KM-g (obviously, since we don't have the Prema mod yet)

These are the sticks I have slotted x2: https://www.gskill.com/product/2/197/1594018932/F4-3200C22S-32GRS-Overview.
The specs clearly state the ram supports XMP 2.0, but no ram tweaking options show up in XTU. I believe Clamibot is correct when they said the stock BIOS doesn't support XMP. CPU-Z also doesn't an detect an SPD so it's not XTU at fault, most likely the bios. Have to wait and pray Prema works their magic

 

Good information

 

The whole point of the CPU connected slot is to not interfere with anything else.

 

How is the clevo control center

 

Terrible, probably one of the worst experiences I've had with Hardware Control style software. I'm not even sure if it's compatible with this model yet. I was getting the same BSOD errors having CCC running as I did ThrottleStop when the overclocking functionality was enabled in the BIOS.

I wasn't until I removed CCC from the equation and went to QuickCPU that I had any sort of success with undervolting.

If you do want to program the LEDs of the Keyboard, you can configure and push it to start at boot, then remove CCC and you led configuration will remain the same.

 

I don’t plan to under volt,mainly fan control

 

Is quick cpu pretty self explanatory?

 

It's felt as simple as Throttlestop for me, I just went to Advanced CPU Settings and set my Core/Cache voltage offset to as high as I could while staying stable. Then just click Apply and make a Profile if you want to be able to apply it quicker in the future.

 

Thanks for the info

 

Anybody running a 4k panel in 4k? ie, 100% scaling, too small for any normal human... Are you seeing any lag in touchpad response?

 

I found the fastest jedec memory to be the Kingston HX432S20IB2K2. There are 2*8 and 2*16 GB variants. Both are 3200 MHz cl20 and km should support it, at least the SM works fine with it.

 

Not with this model but my current alienware laptop Im using has the same 4k 60Hz panel. I have it set to 250% scaling which makes texts much better. I did set it back to 100% scaling and I can still read the (small) text and no touchpad lag). I have the X170-KM-G on order right now and when it arrives, Ill be swapping the panel out for a 4k 120Hz panel. I might loose Gsync but not too worried about that. I can repeat the test once I get it all assembled.

 

My experience might have been slightly different but to be more specific about why CCC BSODs the X170KM-g in its current state is, one or more of the profiles (for me it's the Performance profile - which is ideally the profile you'd be using if you paid $3000+ for a desktop replacement solution) automatically applies a pretty aggressive undervolting when it clocks the CPU. In my case the CPU is the i9-11900k and the undervolting applied when you select to apply the "performance" profile in CCC is -127mv. That lead to pretty instant BSODs and then a really depressing loop of BSODs when the computer rebooted, since the profile was still applied on new boot.

That notwithstanding, my experience going from an Asus laptop ROG control center to the CCC is actually mostly positive. The LED controls and Fan profile controls are simple and easy to use and give you way more freedom than Asus. You can actually set a fan curve lol. Trying to do such a feat on my ROG laptop required messing with around with the EC and then creating a whole profile for the fans in the freeware "notebook fan control" app.

It's entirely possible that when Clevo tested their "performance profile" they were using really good CPUs that could take that kind of undervolting so ultimately decided it was "stable". They must have been using silicon lottery winning chips with results that are hard to replicate on chips that weren't as lucky out in the real world. That or they were high/drunk lol.
Most likely though, Celeste Wolfe is correct in suspecting that CCC wasn't updated to be compatible with the 11th gen Intel CPUs / x170KM-g.

 

Does anyone know if a 3060 graphics card will support an external WQHD monitor? Or is it better to stay with the 1080

 

thanks much. i'm not getting lag, really. but it's lag-ish, and only at the top of the pad.
i've got a piece of tape over the top 1/8 inch of it right now.
kind of like a hillbilly rolls royce...

 

A 3060 will be able to do that.

 

You probably hit the nail on the head why I was getting BSODs before I was even attempting to undervolt. I would have never imagined that CCC was automatically applying undervolts, especially not all the way up to -127mv. That would likely explain my quick BSODs on boot. I may give it another shot and see if I can quickly tune down the undervolts before I get into a boot loop. Slightly worried since my system no longer has Microsoft Store on it, and I faintly remember that CCC ends up installing the software from there.

Edit:
Can confirm the installer I got with my model does rely upon the Microsoft Store. Without it, it just hangs at the end.

 

Oh shoot that's annoying :/

Btw, how did you install a "watered down" version of windows? lol


In the end if you plan on installing and keeping CCC and stop it from overclocking altogether, you can. You might have thought of a different method already but what I did was:
1. After CCC installs and reboots your system, launch into Safe Mode (only need to do this if the system BSODed right away on new boot, if it doesn't, skip this and step 2)
2. In Safe mode find C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility and delete the whole folder
2a. Once booted in again, Install Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. When it prompts you to restart, instead of restarting uninstall Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. I always use Revo Uninstaller (free version) for these type of uninstalls cuz it lets you remove parts of the software that may have been missed out by the normal windows installer.
3. I use https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autoruns to search for and disable anything XTU related.
4. Lastly, I went ahead and uninstalled the "CPU overclocking" and "GPU overclocking" that were in the windows "apps and features" - those were installed with CCC separately but I'm not sure what they do.

The reason I did all this is because even if you do undervolt the CPU back up to a safe level using throttlestop or Quick CPU, CCC uses XTU drivers to just reset your settings back to what they had programmed, hence the need to nuke the XTU drivers from the system altogether. I installed XTU because CCC doesn't install XTU program itself, just the drivers. Installing it gives you a chance to uninstall it by having it listed in the installed programs list, if that makes sense. xd

The Clevo website portion for downloads https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_down.asp?lang=en states that they updated CCC in March and then again in April and I've downloaded and tried both of those versions, same result - CPU is too steeply undervolted and system crashes.

 

Hi,

I ordered few days ago a clevo x170km-g with 3800 from laptopparts4less and found this detailed disassembly video ,maybe its useful for someone

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av417...AFEFE4CACE10FF2006CBFE3D5B00&ts=1621495931198



Do I need thermalpads for my old additional ssds and how thick are they in the video.Can someone guess?

Thank you in advance

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Have you tried any newer firmware? I have not noticed this issue with 1.07.04 using CCC 3.36. It also includes new CPU microcode (0x3C) for 11th Gen series which slightly boosts performance.

 

Thanks for sharing the video. This was exactly the kind of tear down video I was looking for!

 

If they are SATA they will be fine.

 

No I haven't!! Where do I go to get the newest firmware?

Edit: the only thing I was able to find after many a while of searching was this:
https://my.hidrive.com/share/yze8mg-wf8#$/BIOS and EC Firmware/CLEVO/X_SERIES/X170SM-G

but its for the x170SM-g. Are you saying it's compatible with the x170km-g?

 

I would like to know too

 

No, do not use versions meant for the X170SM.

The best way to get it is from your reseller directly.

If they cannot then another option is using XMG's bios for their Ultra 17 2021 which is also the X170KM. Be sure to be familiar with the update procedure so no mistakes are made that could brick the machine.

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

 

Thank you so much for pointing me (and I'm sure others) in the right way.

Any recommended guides on how to do a bios update on these particular machines without blowing up the machine? haha

I'm assuming its the usual create bootable media with rufus in freedos and go from there but I don't want to be wrong :?

Edit: nevermind, I just said **** it and ran X170KM04RTR1.exe from the Zip file and it worked perfectly with no hiccus. Only thing is now my laptop has the "XMG" at bios boot instead of the "EVOC" logo but honestly I doesn't bother me at all hahah

 

Can you possibly run a few benchmarks with the new bios

 

Will do when I get a chance, at a quick glance though the noticeable performance boosts right now are for the SSD and the RAM. Ran the userbenchamarks.exe. RAM went from 103% to 113%, SSD went up about the same
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/43184380

 

Thanks

 

Is it now possible do a bios and ec upgrade with in windows with just a click on the exefile?

If yes ,than this would be so comfortable

 

Did it fix the default undervolt issue?

 

I'm not sure about the EC, I think the exe I used was exclusively for the bios? I think? maybe win32asmguy can confirm/shed some light on to the EC updating situation. The bios update was a walk in the park though, just clicked and ran the exe straight out of windows

It appears so! I reinstalled CCC (3.6 from the clevo downloads website) and system didn't undervolt when I selected the performance profile. Thanks so much again for pointing out where to get new bios, and the fact that there was a new bios to begin with. We honestly had no idea there was an update because other driver repositories from e.g Sager website etc don't list a bios update (which I believe is due to it being your notebook reseller's job to send you bios updates?)

 

Also for anyone else curious, somebody wrote out a very detailed guide on how to keep CCC and only remove the CPU overclocking components from CCC. The guide was for the X170sm-g but I used the steps and they worked for the X170KM-g as well.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-cpu-oc-component-completely-x170sm-g.834715/

 

Benchmarks arent all too different with the new bios but overall system seems a little more "snappy" or it just might be placebo effect. One thing I know for sure is I can use CCC now without it crashing the system.

Edit: forgot to mention but my hardware is mostly running at stock speeds with the purpose of showing if there's improvements at default speeds

 

This, our customers can email support.

 

Schenker XMG Ultra 17 in the test: weighty, really fast and still flexible (part 1 of 2) igorslab.com | Today

Today we're going to build a notebook! Well, I don't want to exaggerate either, but that's the nice thing about such a barebone: you can actually put in what you would like (or think you should have). Based on the Clevo X170KM-G, that's no secret, I simply equipped the XMG Ultra 17 myself, and in this case, too, not a single eye remains dry. Especially not the one that is aimed at the socket. It's just that power comes from fuel and in the end, “beautiful living with electrons” isn't free.

Enjoy Many fancy colorful pictures of the internals.

 

even xotic pc users??????????? LOL

 

Now this is an very interesting review.

The thermals under load...my lord! I wonder how will that impact part life cycle as the whole darn thing is getting cooked during intended use contrary to the gargantuan cooling setup. You would either need a vapor chamber like solution or this thing will bake the laptop before the warranty is up with the higher powered Rocket Lake CPU's. I have my money ready to buy this, but seeing the thermals above I have serious doubts about what to do, especially as the socket is end of life and RL is a dumpsterfire. (literally)

I wonder what will Clevo do with the next iteration of this laptop series on Alder Lake (I wonder about the thermals of those) maybe a vapor chamber like solution or -gasp- even AMD CPU-s.

Decisions decisions...

 

Has anyone had issues with using 4 sticks of 3200MHz ram in the X170KM-G?

 

Yes if it's a Sager they resold absolutely you can.

 

It’s a Xoitic pc branded km,would that work

 

Question to 144 hz users :

I am thinking about the 144 hz panel however I would feel safer if someone who is an expert in this field could answer these 2 questions:

1) Is Gsync with games smooth ? Strangely I found a lot of games to be less smooth in the 240 and 300 hz panel when I tried out the SM. Is gsync smooth using the 144 hz panel in the KM or you can see some microstuttering here and there ?

2) I have seen this AC Valhalla benchmark recoding using the km and 144 hz screen:




Look at the lanterns on the top left of the screen. They look like if they had a ghosty image. Is this visible with the naked eye ? Or this is only visible on a still image from a video recording and during normal usage with human eyes it does not look like this and instead it looks like if it was blurry / smudgy ?

Do you recommend the 144 hz LG panel, is it fast enough ? I do not mind if the image during movement looks like if there was motion blur, however it would be really bad if the image would looks like the above during normal usage.

Thank you !