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Me too. It's easier to use AM4 mobo, and allow up to AMD 16c/32t 3950x. The "Intel best HEDT" has a max of 18c/36t and is still outperformed by mainstream 3950x in most scenarios. Tbh, i dont even consider Cascade Lake-X as HEDT because draws almost same power as unlocked mainstream chips, using few more cores at a lower frequency.

True HEDT are like Threadripper 3960x/3970x, Xeon W-3175, etc

 

Sure if you focus on core count, pci-e connectivity is another factor and maximum memory capacity.

 

The whole 10th gen might actually end up lightning a fire under Intel to get them back into the game. At least I hope it does.

 

Full chip design cycles are around 4-5 years, keep that in mind.

 

I'm just happy to see some competition for Intel that's all, as it's in such situations that we see innovation to excel.

 

Two or three healthy competitors at least please

 

Send that memo to nvidia!

 

That would be nice but not very realistic I guess. For now I am happy that AMD has both graphics and CPU solutions that give Nvidia and Intel some competition

 

Who knows in 3-4 years intel might join the gpu game.

 

Their DG1 was developer only, don't think they plan on doing consumer stuff to compete with amd/nvidia. But we will have to wait and see.

 

I still think a good ole fashion 7960X/7980XE are still extremely high end chips.

 

They would have to sort their infighting.

 

Sometimes there's just not enough room for several people egos in one room

 

There can be with a strong enough leader with a vision but there are limits.

 

Yeah, but that requires the people involved to realize they are a part of a team

 

There does have to be some reciprocation otherwise you will get nothing done.

 

Paired with a chiller they can be quite the electric bill.

 

Maybe, but when you see a 3950x on par on multi core for way less than half the original retail price it becomes a joke. Intels hedt line is demolished, hell intel is pretty much doomed lol.

 

That tends to happen when you're on the top of the mountain for too long.

 

You can only say it's good enough so many times

 

I'm curious to see what memory speeds x170 will be able to push.

 

sadly, much more than we think.

XPS M2010, high end machine 20" laptop at the time, launched right before FSB changes, along with new GPU arch i believe.

HDX 9000 series also did the same, right before CPU FSB changes as well as GPU too, basically 0 upgrade path.

both W700ds and 701ds dual screen laptops pretty much ended in their own generation after 1 year. GPU has room for 1 generation upgrade on the 700ds i think but CPU for both just a single year.

Acer 21x.. well both CPU and GPU are soldered but had it been a socketed CPU, just waiting several months would mean 6 core CPU in that chassis.

all of these are highest end laptop at the time, pretty much.

 

The Acer was not really high end in a performance sense.

 

Clevo to release monster 17-inch X170 gaming laptops powered by Intel's Comet Lake-S 10-core desktop-grade CPUs notebookcheck.net | Today

The internal slides leaked on the Chinese forum Saraba1st reveal impressive specs for the upcoming 17-inch X170 gaming laptops, including redesigned chassis with improved airflow, bigger speakers, slim-bezel displays, RGB lighting, upgraded cooling systems that support the latest 10-core-20-thread desktop-grade Comet Lake-S CPUs, plus USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 support.





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I see one major change from the original specs, it now supports i9 10 core. Where originally it was "Up to 125W Intel Core i7 Desktop CPU".

Wait until launch until exact specs are released.

 

340w heatsink means there isn't enough cooling capacity to handle 10th gen Cpu PL2 limits. Neither at Intel's specs sheet or unlocked limits. Have to rely on the heatsink GPU's cooling capacity with max Cpu load is flawed thinking. This stock on an unlocked chips.

All know what happened when the different notebook manufacturers designed cooling around unlocked 45W chips specs who pushed out the double in heat. Put it in some context. 45w = 90w. Or 125w = 250w and you can clearly as the sun see what I mean.

 

I hope Clevo offers a solid 1080p option (AMOLED HDR maybe). I really hate 4k gimmick in 17 inch laptop screen

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Note the up to in the specs.

 

Yeah, having that unified heatsink will be interesting when paired with a 2080S mxm. Perhaps, 30x0 cards will fair better, being on a smaller node and producing less heat.

 

Smaller node will most likely mean smaller die. This will again mean harder to cool with equal power consumption. The question is... Will Nvidia or the ODM lock down power consumption for 3 series graphics as Clevo did with the 150W cap for Turing? And don’t expect future Intel chips below AMD’s TDP.

The 340w heatsink is barely enough for old 95W Intel chips combined with an 200W graphics. 200W + 140w PL2.

 

I sure hope they move away from the clockblock nonsense.

 

Since x170 is launching with the new LGA1200 socket, I think it's interesting to have a look at the leaked i9 10900 shots. What was more interesting for me was the shot of the carrier pcb bottom. (pictured i9 10900 left, 9900KS right)

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The fact that it's split that way makes me wonder whether it's on a chiplet design?

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https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-10900-comet-lake-s-10-core-processor-pictured-up-close

 

Chiplets and only 10 cores? That would be pretty sad at this point.

 

14nm chiplets but yes.

 

I don't see that myself.

 

It is quite obvious that there will have to be something like an X270 to allow sustained maximum performance with the best possible hardware available to laptops in the future. I am sure they are only withholding it while they are waiting for that new 19.5" 144+ Hz QHD screen to be ready

 

Still hard to justify what would be a larger more expensive chassis for maybe 5% more performance.

 

You mean +12.5% bigger chassis/cooling only will gain 5% better performance? A 3rd fan with own grills would make a major difference for etc Cpu cooling. This if the GPU part of cooling is already good enough in the smaller 17 inch chassis.

 

Yes, power goes up exponentially at the higher clocks and performance scales a bit less than linearly.

 

It wasn't only 5% if you compared the P775 and the P870 chassis and also took fan noise into account.

Unfortunately a really good bigger screen that could also convince buyers to go for a bigger chassis does not exist. Asus could do it some time ago and they did not exactly produce that many units of the laptop model that used the screen so you got to wonder if it wouldn't be possible for Clevo, MSI and others to approach a screen manufacturer and ask for something that is a big enough step up from 17.3". Imo with slim bezels the minimum size for that would be 19" and 16:9 even though the last laptops that had 18.4" screens could even house a 20" 16:10 screen with the current slim bezel design.

 

That depends, the ~5-7% on the CPU alone is 300-400Mhz frequency improvement. Bigger chassis also benefits from improved GPU cooling, with higher sustained clocks, that's around +100Mhz on the core or another 5%. That's what I gained from moving up from the p775tm1 to the p870tm1. Not to mention, you can go the other way, and tune it for lower acoustics if that's your preference, since you have so much more copper to dissipate that heat.

Now if we had a proper 3 fan single GPU cooling solution, that might be even more interesting to push.

 

A third fan would definitely help as it would make little sense not to add a third fan to cool the added heatsink real estate. And keep it a unified design as we may be facing both GPU's and CPU's that need up to 300W but usually they will not need all of it at the same time.

 

100mhz so 5% on a good day with 5% so a 4-5% increase in fps again on a hood day.

To justify a larger, more expensive machine. People have not gone for that in the past.

It needs a reason to move to, something like a ti GPU or SLI.

 

More expensive, sure. But when it's a same spec machine, where you have a choice between improved cooling that gives you +10% performance or an rgb lit skull logo. I'd chose the performance every time.

 

5% plus 5% is not 10%, it's a bit under 5% because they are just co.ponents.

The main sacrifices are portability and practicality along with expense. Those are hard pills to swallow for most people and it wont sell without a killer feature to really set it apart that cant be done in the smaller unit.

 

Better hit the gym if you plan on carrying around a P870 as your daily driver!

 

Generally people don't see that as a benefit

 

Ignorant weaklings

 

The numbers speak of itself. Thin and light crushed in the dust! Both last gen Dell Gaming books.

 

P570wm and p370em sales comparisons you mean, ultimate vs all the same features but toned down. Guess which sold a lot better?