*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

I never re-glue it, it's worth a few degrees.

 

It doesn't hurt the temps if it is done properly. Tested a couple of dozen times (may be more). It doesn't matter if you leave it alone in a desktop but in a laptop, things can get "runny" and "smokey" real good, real fast if you hop it in the back of your cruiser and travel off-road or even type like a maniac after losing a life in some game. Unless of course you have kneaded eraser and foam dams in place. But that's a different story.

 

have any news for rocket lake s support by our motherboard?

 

There's no official confirmation for the X170. However, Rocket Lake CPUs are supposed to work with all Z490 boards, which is the chipset the X170's motherboard uses, so they should work.

 

after bios support..... if we have new bios )))))
and ec part too

 

If things get runny you used too much.

Every 0.5mm is worth about 12c at load I have found as a rule of thumb.

 

Even on my desktops I always seem to go this route. Once all the testing and overclocking is done I find a lower all core to keep the temps in check. Unless I have an FPS counter up it’s next to impossible to tell the difference most of time.

 

Agree, but there is no gap if wet adhesive is clamped shut since the IHS sits on the dye and not on the PCB.

 

Hi,

when I undervolt my 10900K I can go -100mV and get neither bluescreens, nor errors when running Prime 95 (15min). There are also no bluescreens when running CineBench R20 / R23 or 3DMark TimeSpy. And I also get no bluescreens under normal operation of the computer (gaming/working/surfing/watching movies etc...).

But if I use the ThrottleStop TS Benchmark, the benchmark shows errors when going lower than -50mV (I tested TS version 9.2 but, also the new beta version 9.2.9 that officially supports the i9 10900K). Should only a undervolt of -50mV be chosen according to the TS Bench , or is it okay to go with -100mV as there were no problems in the tests as outlined above?

What is the worst case scenario if the undervolt is too much? Can it cause the generation of corrupt files while working or corrupt any stored data?

 

You risk corrupt files you create or the OS. Be sure you have a good backup routines when you know about the errors. But you have no guarantee you backup corrupt files

 

It's telling you that your machine is not stable. It might appear to work fine but under real load e.g., running 6 virtual machines in parallel or playing something CPU demanding will result in intermittent crashing. If work is important than that might cause loss of work session or some corrupt files or even plundervolt style vulnerabilities to come to light depending upon what's happening in real time. My suggestion: Not worth it. Stick to stable voltage only and improve thermals as much as possible by tweaking the cooler and mounting pressure instead.

 

Thanks for the feedback. I will use the stable -50mV setting then!

Unfortunately, I had the -100mV setting during the installation of most software on my laptop. Would you recommend to roll back my system to an earlier backup image and re-install all the software again? I imagine if there were many errors in TS Bench with -100mV, it is also likely that there were errors during the software installation?

 

Not necessarily since files get their checksums verified during the installation process usually so you should be OK.

 

The IHS wont make contact with the die unless you sand it down.

 

Can anyone confirm Wake-on-LAN is present on the X170? Usually there is a BIOS toggle that needs to be enabled before it works. I’ve looked at some screenshots of the BIOS on google and couldn’t see anything.

Most modern laptops have it but sometimes there are exceptions (pretty sure AW often don’t include it).

 

That's not true. There is significant gap between 10th gen ihs and the pcb. Its so much that you have to tilt the ihs to get it to touch the pcb while it is sitting on the die. All that gap is to be used up by adhesive. It seems that you haven't delidded a 10th gen chip yet.

 

No, not needed to but then I'd probably sand the die too.

 

I have sanded the die and the IHS for almost all my 10th gen machines except for this because of thermal pad tolerances and avoiding an over-bent heat sink. Not worth it. But unlike 9th gen, there is not a lot of sanding room on this generation die. I have lost 5 10th gen CPUs in experiments like this so far. It seems that all the dies have different tolerances and the one sanded to a certain point still works as compared to the other one that died. Exactly same z-height measured across all edges and center with a high precision electronic micrometer screw gauge. Sanding cannot be advised to an average gamer for this reason, but it is doable if you have enough money/chips to burn. And guess what, even if you make it work that way in this chassis, the thermal headroom available is negligible due to the form factor. However I did observe a gigantic 1.5 degrees improvement in thermals of my sanded die in a water cooled desktop machine which is enough for it to sustain 5.3 GHz all cores without even breaking a sweat. Since I bought my latest batch of CPUs in black friday sale for 50% discount, it makes these results all that much sweeter!

 

So.... GPU and Monitor questions...

• The X-170 should accept an NVIDIA QUADRO RTX 6000 w/ 24gb of ram (MXM) right?
  • If yes, who carries it?
  • What does it cost?
• How many monitors does this laptop "Really" Support?
  • 1. Internal Display
  • 2. Mini Display Port 1
  • 3. Mini Display Port 2
  • 4. HDMI
  • ====== But is this possible?========
  • 5. Display Port splitter for dual monitors on Mini DP 1
  • 6. Display Port splitter for dual monitors on Mini DP 2
  • ^^^^ That would be a 5 monitor setup
  • ===== Or This?==========
  • 7. Matrix triple or quad splitter box on each Mini DP connection for 6 or 8 external monitors? + HDMI + Internal Display

Anyway, I was just curious what was actually possible with the right hardware.... Even if it means lower resolutions on each monitor to connect that many monitors because I think the matrix splitter boxes limit resolution depending on the number of monitors connected.

Oh I forgot the Monitor over USB-C / Thunderbolt also.

 

USB-C / Thunderbolt monitor will not work because the onboard Intel graphics are disabled at firmware level. However I have been running 4 external monitors on my machine using HDMI and display port splitters. However I will say this, the native Windows 10 pro is quite crappy for running multiple displays and you might run into intermittent annoyances but it is doable however it works WAY BETTER on Linux.
Regarding RTX 6000 Quadro MXM, I haven't seen one yet for sale so not sure if it is available to buy yet (supply chain shortages).

 

So...is something wrong with my build? I've got a Core i9-10850K in this chassis and it's performing way below the average.

I keep running CPU test on different benchmarks and the scores are all super low.

Is this expected behavior for the X170SM-G?

- Background programs are turned off
- OSD set to Performance
- Windows Power plan set to "High Performance" (also tested on "Ultimate Performance," same result)
- Both power packs plugged in, directly to wall outlets
- I tested for throttling using AIDA Extreme, and it was clean. No throttling shown.
- No overclocking being attempted.
- Everything is stock. This was built by Xidax.

Screenshots of tests
https://ibb.co/HHGHyLc
https://ibb.co/yX85XqK
https://ibb.co/J72PcBN

 

This is what I got. My CPU is more powerful, but you have the better GPU and I am using an NVMe instead of a SATA SSD....

 

Thanks for posting this. Super helpful.

My build has 3 NVMe's and one SATA (in the 4th slot). So would that translate to a CPU performance difference? You're still close to the median for your CPU and mine is way below the median.

 

well from the Novabench it looks like you are getting SATA read write speads........ so does that mean your boot drive is the SATA one by mistake? 500 is alot slower than the 3500 I got in my screen print.

 

I also Ran the other one (I have never ran these before so I did not change any settings):

 

Oh, man. Turns out the Xidax guys installed Windows to the SATA. That was supposed to be long-term storage only. Wow.

Thanks a ton, @M17XR42012 Wouldn't have figured this out without you.

Doing the switchover now. I did one quick test and saw a score bump. I'll report again after the transfer over is complete.

 

Your welcome!

 

We now have the Prema BIOS for the X170 (free of charge, only for customers who buy the laptop from us)

 

I’ll pray for you. Because you’re about to be mobbed by beggars that haven’t bought it from you.

 

My laptop runs fine for what I use it for. You can keep it. lol.

 

Good for you

 

I wish I had bought from you. Does that count?

Xidax was a disaster. Overpriced, sloppy building. Had to send it back twice and they still didn't get it right.

Maybe me saying that will send some business your way? I wish mine had come loaded with Prema.

 

Another great video from Brother @B0B . I also enjoyed his talking head video looking back on 2020. Happy New Year to all.

 

what price for prema bios for clients who by from xotopic / sager ?

 

The Custom Prema BIOS for the X170SM-G can only come flashed on your system from Premamod Partners, and there is no charge for it.

Unfortunately, it cannot be sourced independently of a purchase of the X170SM-G from a Premamod Partner.

 

it was question for hidevolution donald. i buy device august. were was any news about prema this time? or i must put my device in trash bin and buy new from ztecpc?

 

Sorry, you only mentioned Xoticpc and Sager in your post.

If you bought from HIDevolution, they are a Premamod Partner and now have the new Custom Prema BIOS...so just reach out to them and they will flash it for you at no charge.

 

This was kinda rude. I think you should apologize to @Donald@zTecpc as he was only trying to give an answer to the question that everybody has asked here in this forum. If you read thru the forum you would have had your answer previously but obviously you didn't and he actually saved you the trouble of doing that.

 

Donald, imagine if you were hiring clones out of yourself to different companies, multiple Donalds about!

 

I suppose it's more down to the command of the English rather than actual rudeness, which is what we perceive by reading it.
Or I'm wrong and we just want the shiny toys as fast as possible
(As a matter of fact I'd love to pay for a prema mod flash , my vendor didn't offer it )

 

Perception is the key here. With his clapback of that question was for such and such it became evident that he did not care for Donald's answer and therefore was rude. Even though it's all over the forum and Donald did him the favor of saving him the trouble of going thru said forum.

 

Ztecpc...or HIDevolution.........Now that they both have Prema's Bios Mod you can't go wrong with either. I all ready have a couple of HID notebooks and they work fantastic. I want to try MR Fox's cooling mod on X170 to see how it can keep the 10900k cool. With the RTX 3080 it's going to be another bold task to keep it cool in this chassis. Now just waiting for the RTX 3080s notebook cards to drop to see which vendor I will consider. With the RTX 3080s being at a premium price I hope these notebooks don't cost $6000. Lol

 

We will also have RTX 30x0 upgrade kits for the zTecpc zT-X170SM-G soon. The Intel refresh won't be coming for several months, so being able to upgrade your GPU without having to wait for the Intel refresh will be...dare I say it...Refreshing!

 

Intel refresh won't be worth it for this generation anyway. I hope and wish that Clevo releases an AMD variant of this machine sometime in the future.

 

Going off the rumours it depends on what you are looking for on the refresh, single thread and lightly thread could see nice improvements that will help gaming.

 

hi do you will have upgrade kit to new intel z590 motherboard?
3080 will have bios compatible with x170?
for upgrade 3080 what also need to do?

 

To me, an 11th gen 8 core 16 thread CPU with basically the new architecture and an overall IPC uplift and mobile 3080 (aka 3070 desktop) is the power house sweet spot for the X170 and the chip I'd wait for before potentially upgrading. Potentially less heat than the
10 core 10900k coupled with custom cooling, Prema and binning could produce a similarly quiet computing experience as I've managed to extract out of my P870TM1-G. Backwards compatibility with my 1060 would be a plus as I could literally just buy a Barebones w/
binned 11900k and just move everything over.

 

I'm still just hoping there will be a premamod option for those of us who don't have partner shops in our country.

I'm not even sure if there's any in the EU! There wasn't when I looked around before ordering.

Anyway, regardless of that... question about the washer method for better cooling.

I'm looking at re-doing mine. Are folks using metal or plastic washers? The reason I ask is because I found a ton of both types while I was cleaning up the back room from my old XBox 360 repair days (folks used to do the "x-clamp fix", I'd remove it, reflow/reball as necessary and put back the original clamps unless the board was too warped).

So yeah, I have tons of the bloody things.

 

Use metal ones. I have posted a few pictures in my previous posts in this thread for reference.

 

Hold on...so there are rtx 3000 mxm cards already ?? Are they at the same 200 watts power limit ?
If so, I will be happy to buy it in the future