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I could ask the same question regarding your desktop system

 

no you cant.
why?
because i over clock everything i own.
and that banner in my sig pretty much backs that up.

 

I think someone logged into this account that is clearly not John...

John if your out there just say "i hate overclocking" and we will know to send help...

 

Lol, But do you really need it? Isn't your system capable enough as is? The answer is pretty much the same any enthusiast will give ya, regardless of whether it's a laptop or desktop.

 

but of course. see...you missed our conversations about this in the g73 thread. we over clock for numbers, but for everyday use...i dont over clock anything. i use it as is. just like now...im on the g73 with everything factory. including the 133 blck and not the 142.

and yes quad, it is the real me....we all just weren't on the same page is all...but we should be now..lol

 

funny but when i saw him posting that i want to ask are you johnksss?

 

man, that over clocking stuff was for all the people concerned about heat and warranty's and is this to hot and my keyboard is to hot and this and that....i was clearly not talking about me...lmao!
sorry guys for the mis communication there.

and when speedy gets his machine...ill be right there on his heels to help push the system to the limits...lol

 

can't wait to start pushing the 480's to their limits that's for sure and with this kind of help i am sure is going to work out

 

me too...lots of good people to help get the machine to it's optimal operating range.

 

I don't even own an X7200 but I'm excited about it's release. I want to see some 480M SLi numbers but more than that, I want to see how stable they are and what people's impression is of the nVidia mobile drivers for fermi.

 

Normally I'd agree, but the situation here is different. The GTX 480M is highly underclocked and undervolted. All GTX 480M are basically prime quality GF100 chips. So those cards will work with much higher clock rates, heat and power consumption are the only issue. For me, the possibility to turn the GTX 480M into a GTX 465 is the sole justification for the high price. The performance of the stock clocked GTX 480M is just sad, so technically you need to overclock otherwise it makes no sense to buy such a card.

 

you guys sure got allot out of that statement..
it was meant as it was said

 

If it was a generalization why post it in this thread all of the sudden? You post seemed to me like a direct response to my previous post:

Which is specifically referring to the GTX 480M, being the only 100W TDP mobile GPU around. Now your statements about the GTX 480M confuses me. The GTX 480M sucks because it is underclockde and undervolted (it runs at 0.85V). In order to overclock it to stock GTX 465 clocks you will need to overvolt it to at least to 0.9V (GTX 465 runs at 1.0V+, but then again those are lower quality GF100 chips).

I only critized you statement in the specific situation of the GTX 480M. The card is just too expensive for the performance that it delivers, but if you overclock it and it can perform like the GTX 465 it would be worth the money. The GTX 480M is of such high quality it begs for overclocking.

Just wanted to make this clear, since normally I'd agree with you. But I was referring to mobile GPUs which are underclocked and could run faster without any risk other than keeping temps low and with bringing the GTX 480M to stock GTX 465 would make a great difference, so it's not just for the fun of it, but more like you get what expected with that kind of price.

 

Damn. The 480m is allready 100w TDP. Has anyone acctualy used a kilowwat instrument to see how much a 480m laptop really uses in load.

If you get it to desktop speed via "over" volting and clocking you might burn a hole in the laptop. God dammit, if one need such lvl of video performance they should have a desktop.

I say 100w is the limit for a desktop cpu, But the thing is even when overcloked the temp were not that high on the 480m, I wonder if the stock freq really use 100w, that's what i wonder.

Apart from that, any owners yet ?

 

High power draw not really equals to higher temp. The heat is caused by electrical resistance, not power draw. Low volt and high shader count is like having thick wires with high current flow but low voltage, the power transfer is high, but R = V/I, high current, low voltage = low resistance which translates to low heat as well.

 

That's an argument you could bring against gaming laptops in general. Otherwise see what fzhfzh said. And like I pointed out, the limiting factor with the GTX 480M will be heat and the question if the PSU is strong enough. Clearly anybody who'd like to attemp such an overclock should know what he's doing and closely monitor the temps.

 

really? i thought the part about YOU GUYS was pretty self explanatory ...

 

The thing is that most end users don't have the knowlege to overclock 480m to desktop level under high heat and power consumption. No one wants to put their computer in liquid nitrogen right?

My point is that for most people, they need something that works right out of the box without getting all technical. Not anyone is as nerdy as people on this forum(which isn't necessarily a bad thing ).From that point of view, the price of 480m cannot be justified.

 

that price is no where near close to being justified. but when trying to have top of the line..price is generally...not an option
and last i checked..it was like 2 people that had the knowledge to over clock the 480m..and both of them do not have a 480m in their possession at the moment...lol

 

i overclock the GTX480M to near GTX 465 levels and it was running pretty cool with out Knowledge or liquid nitrogen



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Regarding the power consumption:

Doesn't look like there's a lot of headroom for stressing and OC'ing. The CPU alone can eat over 165W when pushed with Prime.

 

I am not yet an owner but would like to be soon. An idea I had was to water cool this behemoth. Before I get my hopes up I was wondering if anyone had the total dimensions of the VGA and CPU cooling module including the fan. The service manual is indeed detailed and should make modding fun, but I could not find dimensions for the cooling modules, only the fans. The battery will probably be gutted to be used as the reservoir/pump and optical drive removed to make room for the cooler. Either that or make mini coolers in the stock heatsink locations. I don't really need the battery or the optical drive since this will basically be a desktop and I never use disc media.

Also on the optical drive topic- I notice Eurocom offers and adapter in their confirgurator to have a 4th hard drive instead of the optical drive. Does anyone know where this can be purchased? They don't seem to offer the piece separate and if the radiator thing doesn't look like it will work I would like to definitely have a hard drive there.

 

As you know, the advantage of water cooling is to use the high thermal conductivity of water so the heat can be transported to a very large radiator that can get rid of much more heat than a radiator that is directly mounted to the component that has to be cooled as those usually have to be much smaller. So here is the problem: How will you fit such a radiator into the X7200? If the radiator, as you plan, has the size of the optical drive, you will have zero improvement in cooling, on the contrary the cooling will be way worse. Also you will still need fans for that radiator, a lot of them in fact. In such an enclosed space air cooling is the best you can do. It makes more sense to work with materials that have much higher thermal conductivity, such as synthetic diamonds or graphene, but that is way ahead.

 

So that brings up a question that I've been researching for a while...haven't found too much objective information on it...just people's opinions...but...

Arctic silver 5 vs IC diamond....seems like they all offer them as options, the IC diamond is more expensive

I've noted in reading about them that the AS5 needs 200 hours to cure, and I question whether a reseller would wait that long

I have zero experience with this stuff, so I have no opinion. I just want the best performance out of what I purchase.

Thoughts?

 

Yo speedy, have you had confirmation of the shipping of your monster yet from LPC Digital?

 

Yes im well aware and you are right. i thought about it after posting and external radiator is the only way to go. i will build it into a laptop stand.

Back on the topic of the actual laptop. Eurocom mentions 24gb ram and an optical drive bay adapter for 4th hard drive. Does anyone have info about these items? I have never seen 8gb sodimm modules.

 

They are about to appear. Dell mentions them to be available soon for their M6500. And yes, you can replace your optical drive with another HDD bay.

 

Yeah actually that's a really viable option; if you could build the radiator etc into a laptop cooler like the NZXT Cryo (the best cooler out there IMO - 3 120mm fans, can easily be modded)
Amazon.com: NZXT ACC-NT-CRYO LX Aluminum Notebook Cooler 120MM Adjustable Fans (Black): Electronics

so you wouldn't have any bulky hoses visible (potentially) and it would look like you had your notebook sitting on a cooler.

 

This cooler looks very good, seen some reviews, but I hear you cant use it on your lap, but I suppose performnce is what matters

 

^^ I seriously doubt you can use the x7200 on your lap, lol

 

That is a nice cooler, but I think I would like to make the radiator as the vertical part of a stand. Mounted on hinges so it can be folder under the laptop. It would be REALLY cool if I could get my hands on a broken x7200 so I could start fabricating the water blocks. Or at least the cooling modules.

 

My thoughts are: Just use MX-3. There is virtually no difference but MX-3 is easier to apply, so you can do it yourself and thereby save money and be sure that the paste is applied correctly. The price resellers charge for the thermal paste is a joke...

 

I use everywhere liquid metal as thermal paste, even in the subnotebook S3100....

 

"will cause damage to aluminium parts, do not let this product come in contact with aluminium parts."

 

While partially true, leakage in sub micron processes contributes to heat significantly. That's why things like SOI processes exist.

 

no not yet, but i know is not going to ship this week is to late

 

shame, the week is over

 

I've got new delivery date for germany. Last week of september. So again 2 weeks full of hope ... -.-

 

Looks like it the same for all of Europe, it looks like 1-2 weeks before we see review from a consumer
Theres still hope for review from a reseller soon though, what German reseller is this? Good luck

 

^^ That's not bad actually. I thought it'd be mid October when we see the the first owners.

 

Same for me. Mine is in Phase 2 (Building/Testing/QA) at Xotic since September 15th. I'm hoping the it will be ready to ship (to Canada) by the end of next week and arrive before the end of September/beginning on October.

 

I would kill someone untill they were dead to get an email telling me information like that, ooh the excitement you mmust have, not too long for you me thinks

 

Funny. The old HP 8740w owners thread reached 100+ pages before the first actual owner appeared. This one won't get past 80, me thinks

 

Well, HP is a much much more recognised brand, comparing to clevo.

 

Nah, here you have much more people posting, than in the 8740w lounge. And the reason - the insane price of the HP coupled with a very small awareness of the product's existence.
Even though I have a 8740w and most likely won't buy the x7200, still, I'm here much more time than there

 

there must be more people talking about the 8740w simply because is a business computer and having the best display in its class

and the x7200 is raw power but nothing compared to the 8740w class

 

Avast ye scallywag!
I'm telling ye - more sea dogs are here than thar!
This ship is a juggernaut, - me like it! Big cannons and three 't ruim's for booty! Me be watching ye sail, lad! Fair winds!

 

"Holy frijoles! That thing runs faster than me!"

 

Looks like Xxodd from NL is offering Nvidia 460M SLI as an option for their X7200 model.

It seems the 460M is half the price of the 480M and according to their website, will start shipping after the 3rd of October this year.

http://www.xxodd.nl/index.php?p=bestel&ID=495

 

is that 950 euros MORE for the SLI 480 than the 460? holy crap.............