Official Sager NP8130/Clevo P151HM1 Owners Lounge

This is really bizarre. I always use the touchpad, never a mouse, and I drape my palm over the front edge of the case. It causes me no discomfort and definitely isn't sharp.

Are you saying it hurts because the sharpness of the edge, or just because overall ergonomics?

If there is a burr left from the plastic injection molding process you can try using a high grit sandpaper (2000 grit) to file it down. Not sure how that would affect the finish though.

 

I confirmed with Xotic PC that the GTX460 is out of stock. This will affect anyone still in Phase 1. They wouldn't say what the replacement would be, only that it would be a "new option", and that it will be in stock in early June. The GTX560M is projected for a summer release, so it does make sense that this will be it. I went ahead and changed my order to the new card. It may only be a little faster than the 460M, but it looks like it may have a somewhat lower power consumption as well, which would be nice.

 

I ordered mine with no OS, and I had problems installing Windows 7 from a DVD. It would boot fine, but when you started the install, it would complain that it didn't have drivers to read the cd/dvd drive.

I worked around the issue by installing my ISO to a 4gb USB stick instead, and booting from that. It was much faster than the DVD too. I downloaded a tool from Microsoft to copy it to the drive:

Microsoft Store Online

(The download link is very non-obvious, you have to hover over "Windows 7 USB/DVD Download tool" under Installation Step 1 to see it.)

Mine came from XoticPC, and they were very communicative and helpful at every step along the way.

 

Yes,I quoted myself.

Anyway, I just mapped mute to the Num-Enter button. Now I have all three volume controls at the bottom of my keyboard for easy access.

Its awesome.

 

Talked to a sales rep not too long ago and he said it was going to be the GTX 560M.

 

So is this going to be a new option or is it automatically replacing the 460m in current and future orders? I just ordered mine last night.

 

I have been talking with someone from XoticPc and he said that if I order, then yes it will be automatically replaced. Probably with the 560M

 

This is what the Xotic PC sales rep told me via email:

"We recently received an update from Sager regarding an option for your order. The stock graphics video card you ordered (nVidia GeForce GTX 460M 1,536MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11) has recently been depleted. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. There will be a new standard option released in early June. If you would like to change your option for faster shipping, please let us know and we will make the change to your order. If you would like to keep your original selection, your order production will be completed as quickly as possible once the new stock option arrives into stock."

I asked for further clarification about the nature of the new card, and he told me he had "no further information about the new stock video card option." I just told him to change my order to the new card since the 560 can't cost much more than the 460.

The wording suggests that I could keep 460 if I wanted, but I would still have to wait for more units to come in.

 

Oh...well then I don't know what my sales rep was talking about

Edit: Sorry for the double post

 

wow the 560m? haha good thing I've got about 3-4 weeks until I finalize my purchase!!!

OMG EXCITED =D

 

If you check the benchmarks, the 560 isn't THAT much faster than the 460, but yeah, I'm glad I timed my purchase when I did as well

 

Damn. Sucks for all of us that already got the 460.

Will the 560 be better than the 485?

Hopefully this means they will continue to make gpu's compatible with the 8130 and a couple years down the line, when an upgrade is actually necessary, there will be options.

 

No the 560 is definitely not better than the 485M.

Mr. Mysterious

 

Yeah not a chance is it faster. The 485 and 6970 need completely different battery packs.

 

Nope. On average, the 560 is supposed to be about 10% faster than the 460m it's replacing. It's only got slightly higher core and shader clocks versus the 460m and a die shrink.

The 485m is still going to be almost 2x faster, as will the 6970. They're both 100w TDP chips, versus the 72w on the 460m (this is why the 8150 has the beefier power supply)

If the confusion stems from the numbering, here's how Nvidia does it:

The model numbers are 3 digits. The first digit is the series, the second is the model in the series, the third can denote an upgrade on a model. 5xx is the newest, 4xx is last gen, etc. x8x is high end, x6x is mid range, and x3x or lower are budget cards. The 485m therefore, is a last gen high end part. It is an upgrade over the existing 480m which is replaced.

 

Dang, have had mine for two weeks and it's been nothing but trouble, and now there is a brand new gpu card. *sigh*

 

Current 460M is very overclockable, why worry about 560M?

 

Is it reasonable to expect that the 560M option will come with the same amount of memory?

 

Don't fret.

560M is virtually the same as 460M in performance. The 460M overclocks to 560M levels and higher effortlessly. 560M is actually 75 TDP in power draw to the 72 TDP for the 460M so it requires more power and may run hotter. That is yet to be seen.

 

Well 75 vs 72 is pretty much negligible, and that's TDP, which is max power required to manage the card, in reality will be much less.

 

guys a friend of mine just bought the 6970m and the 180watt psu.this card works with our np8130.its confirmed!! first benchmarks 3dmark06 19385!

 

Awesome! Now if they can knock $150 off the price of a MXM 6970M card, I'll be sold.

Mr. Mysterious

 

The 460/560 will surely serve me just fine for the next couple of years, but hypothetical, down the road when I might want to upgrade, where can you buy laptop graphics cards like the AMD 6970M or the 485M? I was looking around online and came up pretty much empty. Is it difficult to swap the cards?

 

No, and mxm-upgrade.com

Mr. Mysterious

 

Hey you NP8130 owners. How is gaming at 1080p with the 460m? And does the image scale well to 720p? Specifically I am wondering about Bad Company 2, does it run at high detail at 720p?

 

I have the steam version of BC2 and cant seem to get it to work.I just copied the game from my desktop to the laptop and installed it.But seem to stuck get at the main screen and cant play the game at all.

 

Im a new 8130 owner. Ill be installing my steam version of BC2 later today. Ill let you know if and how it runs with graphics maxed out.

 

I don't really use Steam, but are you sure you are supposed to drag it to the desktop and install? Try un-installing, then right click it on the steam menu and install. If that does not work then it is probably something wrong with your hardware.

 

Right click on the game in steam and go to properties -> local files -> verify game cache.

 

Idk, abt BC2, but I know I get excellent framerates in Crysis (high) when I lower to 720p. I'm talking abt 40 to 50+, lowering to 30 in some intense scenes.

At 1080p all high I still get around 25 - 30+ fps going to low 20's in the mos intense scenes.

I think BC2 will run like butter in 720p. I know MW2 hardly ever dips below 60fps constant on the highest settings possible. putting BC2 somewhere between those two games I think you'll have an enjoyable experience with the 460m.

 

It should be able to handle BF:BC2 at high settings with 50fps+ at 720p for sure. 1080 might cut them, but it should stay playable above 30 if I had to guess.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

Quick question. Is it highly recommended to go with the IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU for the additional $40 over the -Stock OEM Thermal Compound? I do plan on doing some serious gaming with this laptop, but will always have my laptop cooler connected to it and won't be playing in warm environments. However, if it is highly recommended I would be willing to do it.

 

If you're comfortable applying it yourself, save yourself $30 and do it yourself (assuming you pay ~ $10 for a tube). I paid for Sager to apply it, and when I realized how easily accessible the heatsink is and how easy it is to remove, I regretted paying for the IC Diamond from Sager. On top of that, my temps were running 8-10C higher than others until I reapplied IC Diamond myself and it dropped a good 6-8C.

 

You can easily do it yourself if you're comfortable with opening up the laptop (it's a quick and easy upgrade as well). It can affect temps by as much as 5-10C, though it's mostly only noticeable under load. However, if you're *not* comfortable opening up your machine and removing the heatsinks to reapply it, it may be advisable to order it pre-applied.

 

Does the warranty become void if I buy an SSD later on and put it in my laptop?

 

No, it doesn't. Most reseller warranties will still cover the machine after upgrades. They obviously won't cover the new part you added though, as it didn't come that way when you ordered it- but the rest will be. The machines are designed to be user upgradeable.

 

also pls can you tell me for sure if 560m will be standard on 8130? i am going to finalize decision to buy 8130 in june

 

I'm certain you will not get any confirmation. They can't and won't because of NDA and also to prevent stalling for sales.

 

We'll know for sure by June. They will reveal the new GPU at computex.

 

glad to see it helped I do this with almost every laptop

 

About Ubuntu 11.04,
For some reason, I get a better WLAN connection in Ubuntu than Windows, when usually, for other people it's the other way around.
I'm worried that I have some configuration wrong in Windows that is causing this.
Does anyone have any idea why this could be?

 

^^ Sorry I run Ubuntu only so can't help.

But I have a question for you if you don't mind -- did you have to do anything in 11.04 to get your "subwoofer" working? My sound is OK, but sounds nothing like other laptops I've heard (going back 10 years even) that had a low frequency driver -- it's about on par with the D630 I have at work, which is decidedly average (and which has no subwoofer).

Do your speakers sound just as good in Ubuntu as Windows? (Is the subwoofer working?) Did you have to do anything special in Ubuntu to make that happen?

I doubt that I have a hardware problem, I'm guessing it's either that I have to do something else to enable it in Ubuntu, or it's just not going to sound as good as I was expecting.

 

I have 7 and the sub is nothing to write home about. I have played bass heavy music and held the sub right up to my ear and can barely distinguish the sound from the other speakers.

It seems to add more volume to the entire sound profile. In the end, I don't think a 2in speaker is going to produce much bass. The whole laptop sub thing seems a little gimmicky to me. I just think of it as a bonus 3rd speaker more than anything else.

 

Hm, if this model does start to carry the GTX560m, will the price change at all?

 

Possibly, but it will probably be fairly similar. What I'm afraid of is them changing the matte default screen. F**k glossy.

 

Windows 7 has a few tweaks you may want to change on the wireless card settings to increase the throughput and reliability. (I'm going to assume Win7, but if you go to the adapter properties in XP or Vista it should work the same)

Go to start > control panel > network and sharing center > change adapter settings > right click, properties on the wireless adapter > configure > advanced.

From here, make sure your channel width is set to either 40MHz or auto. If it's not, you may not be getting the full speed benefit from wireless N (this doesn't apply to wireless G networks). Be sure that transmit power is highest, roaming aggressiveness is at least medium, and your 802.11n mode is enabled.

If you notice slowness on the wired gigabit port, go to the same advanced menu there and disable all the flow control, large send offload, and checksum offload options. This should dramatically speed up the gigabit transfer speeds (primarily due to disabling flow control).

 

Thanks -- sounds like it's not just me then. In the end, this wasn't a big selling point for me, and I generally agree that the whole idea is a bit gimmicky (I'm not convinced that it's technically a subwoofer, at the very least) -- OTOH I *have* heard a few systems where the presence of the subwoofer at least pushed it to the point of "that's a damn nice sounding laptop" -- but that hasn't been my reaction so far. It may also be that I need to try cranking things up a bit.

 

Okay, after a week of massive delays (Family issues/Busy as all hell) I finally shipped back my laptop to Malibal today. As promised I'll let you know what they say about my crashing/freezing issue, and keep you all updated on the progress.

 

For what it's worth, I find that, though calling it a subwoofer may be a stretch, it does make the sound coming out of the laptop sound "richer". Overall the 8130's sound is as good as I've heard out of a Laptop, but it's still a laptop!

 

Yea, in the end its an issue of expectations.

I'm not sure why anyone would expect great sound quality from laptop speakers (not that anyone here is). I am somewhat of an audiophile, so imo it's silly to listen to music through the built in speakers.

My main concern is whether the speakers achieve high enough volume to hear movie dialog without attaching externals. The 8130 handily achieves that.