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Guys, I'm just about to pull the trigger on an 8150, but have been debating between the 2630QM and the 2720QM. I'll be getting the 485m, so I'm not sure how much the cpu matters. Any advise?

 

We just ran 3DMark Vantage on a stock Sager NP8150 with the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M w/2.0GB GDDR5, Intel® i7-2630QM, and 8GB DDR3/1333. The score was 14,798.

Others have reported 14,911 when using the Intel® i7-2920XM and 16GB DDR3/1333.

Conclusion...it's the video card baby...not the processor or memory. The scores don't appear to be different enough to me to be worth all that extra money.

 

Had a quick look through the thread and didn't see this discussed - do we have any idea whether Sager intends to offer the Radeon HD6970M as an option within the NP8150 or 8130? If so, any information on pricing or timeframe? Cheers!

 

8130 will not be offered a 6970m option, the 8150 and 8170 will.

These still do not have specific dates.. speculation is march.

 

Yes, it has been discussed:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...levo-p170hm-owners-lounge-27.html#post7076126

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...levo-p170hm-owners-lounge-27.html#post7076587

 

Thanks for the quick responses! Still torn up about whether to buy now with the 460M or wait until we have more information on the 6970...

 

Thanks Paladin!

 

What would score aprox. the 460M on any i7-2820QM/8GB ?

Eric

 

Around 8,800~8900

 

Dang that's low! Thanks!

Eric

 

Actually, for a nVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M w/1.5GB GDDR5 that is high.

What were you expecting, and where did you get your information?

 

I had no information on that, it's just that I ordered a i7-2820QM with the 460M and I was curious to see what it would score after the 14,800~14,900 you posted on the 485M. I do keep my laptops 5 years+, but I'm not a gamer, even though I may play games like Halo or COD, I understand that I will not be able to play with 100% of the game feature.

Eric

 

I would be interested to see benches with ddr3 1600 on the machines that support it. It doesn't seem sager even offers the option.

 

well i'm only slightly regretting that 2720 upgrade now, graphics performance being my main concern and all. the bright side i suppose is that the price/performance of the 2720 is way better than the 2820 (need i mention the 2920?)

and the 2720 should outperform the 2630 in cpu heavy games like starcraft 2 right?

 

When full quantity's are available at decent prices for mass use, these DDR 3 1600's will be offered in these new models, is what has been said...

 

It'll help with times there's an enormous amount of units on the screen at once, not a whole lot though I'm imagining, like something on the order of ~2-3fps

The 2720qm will do a noticeable bit better than the 2630 on highly threaded apps though, things like h.264 encode/dvd ripping/etc if the cinebench scores on notebookcheck are to be believed.

I have a question of my own for the forum ... those of you who've received your 8150's (mine's still in the back order pool) what is the size/weight of the power supply?

 

I have heard the term 'brick'

I am not joking >_<

 

AC Adapters are called "bricks" regardless of their size.

 

This is exactly what I am interested in. Choosing the 2630 would provide great savings for me but I'm concerned that I would be losing gaming performance.

 

Just wanted to confirm, does this (either/both 150/170HM) come with SATA3? I can't see this shown in any manual as they just list SATA. add: I think the previous SSD example showed speeds beyond SATA2 speeds but thought I'd confirm.

 

Both the P150HM and P170HM support SATA 3.

 

that's great to know and a very important feature.

I really like the look of a P150HM. From what it seems it has one of the best laptop GPU available for a gamer/ graphic production machine. What I'm curious to know as I have only been researching these higer-end laptops in last few days , so I wonder if there is a new top graphic card coming out soon that would bring the 485 down a notch?, what about the geforce-500m series, are they in the same class, what about ATI?

 

It has been confirmed that the HD 6970 is coming out for these Sagers, but initial performance numbers puts it on par with a GTX 470m. Other than that who knows. nVidia and AMD are mum about their upcoming products for good reason.

 

Considering that the 2630 outperforms the previous generations fastest i7 920XM, and the fact that the vast majority of games are still GPU dependent, there is no chance of this occurring at all. Even in a CPU dependent game like GTA IV or SC2, the 2630 will be fine. It seems many of us underestimate the CPU power we actually have.

 

Where?
It's actually close to the 485m and in some games (one or two!) you get more fps from the 6970 than the 485m

 

This is quite depressing for those who invested heavily in the 920XM.

 

How many more FPS and which games are we talking about?

 

Slitting wrists as you read this.

 

Just because someone says it doesn't make it true. Dig out the source for that claim...I doubt that you will find it sustainable.

 

Early review of the ATI 6890 here: Test AMD Radeon HD 6970M Grafikkarte - Notebookcheck.com Tests

Review of the 485 here: Review Nvidia Geforce GTX 485M graphics card - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

ATI vs nVidia
Crysis: 24.6 vs 22.56 fps on ultra
Bad company 2: 47.6 vs 49.5 fps maxed
Metro 2033: 18 vs 16.1 fps ultra
Starcraft 2: 58 vs 56 fps ultra
Mafia 2: 52.3 vs 58.3 fps ultra
Black ops: 61.9 vs 71.4 fps ultra
Dirt 2: 47.7 vs 70.3 ultra (lawl)

Though note that nvidia's was benchmarked with sandy bridge and ati's was with 1st gen i7.

 

Multipliers can be manipulated on the 920xm using Throttlestop, so at least while plugged in you could overclock and achieve similar performance.

 

Have you guys seen to Video Review from XoticPC? Look amazing. What do you guys think?
YouTube - Sager NP8150 Video Review Part 1 of 2 by XOTIC PC

YouTube - Sager NP8150 Video Review Part 2 of 2 by XOTIC PC

 

I hope this is your attempt at dry humor, if not lighten up, your always asking people to prove stuff. It comes across as condescending. Specially since the post was a verbalization of what he was thinking people who have 920XM CPU’s might be feeling right now.
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I hope this is your attempt at dry humor, if not lighten up, your always asking people to prove stuff. It comes across as condescending. Specially since the post was a verbalization of what he was thinking people who have 920XM CPU’s might be feeling right now.

Edit: not sure why this double posted, but it did.

 

I'll be picking up 2x4gig of 1600 for my 2920XM 8170 .... I'll let you guys know when it arrives.

 

but will there be a perceptible increase in performance going from 1333 to 1600? for say memory heavy applications like video editing?

 

so no backlit keyboard or optimus right?
how many spare mpcie slots?

 

I think you're confused. He was probably referring to the claim that the 2630 outperforms the 920XM.

 

Many early reviews that compare those two CPU's come to the same conclusions and we will see the same results when more people do their own benchmarks. Some benchmarks of the CPU's can be found here. Some Notebookcheck ones can be found here.

Many results of multiple tests can be found here.

 

If thats not proof right there I don't know what is.

 

It's quote like that, that make me happy to have waited one more month to get my computer, I almost went with a i7-740 last month.

Eric

 

couldn't agree more. i came close to dropping a ton of cash on a sli 480m / i7 950 x7200, but somehow i had the patience to wait on sandy bridge.

instead i got a p150hm and a 2nd 480 for my desktop and saved a lot of money

 

What's this "XOTIC PC Redline Boost™ Extreme Performance" on the NP8150 configuration page (scroll towards the bottom)?

Sager NP8150 (Built on Clevo P150HM) Custom Gaming Laptop

Is this overclock gpu only, cpu, or both?

 

From my chat with their rep, it is a "safe" overclock for both the cpu and gpu that adds about a week to a week and a half to your order.
They overclock each core and test it at those clocks to ensure it can safely opperate on it at all times

 

I thought the cpu wasnt oc'able.

 

The 2920XM are OC'able processors, they are like the "K" series on the desktop side.

 

But the option is available for all CPU's and says nothing about specific CPU's. I don't think they can OC the QM chips though

 

The Intel® i7-2920XM are over clockable in the Sager NP8170 with HM67 chipset, but not in the Sager NP8150.

 

Can somebody point me to a thread that contains guides on overclocking for this particular computer. I OC'd my current GPU (9600m) using RivaTuner and eVGA Precision. I was required to change a few settings in RivaTuner in order to OC this card, and I'm unsure if those settings will apply to this card as I'm not that experienced in the complexities of OCing.

 

I know this was posted a couple of days ago, but it intrigued me. And yes, I am aware that US distributors represented on this forum have repeatedly said that the P150 does not support either feature. However, I ended up emailing this company asking about the Optimus and WiDi support. Obviously take this with a grain of salt, but something seems strange to me. I passed this note through google translate:

Sent it on Friday, and just received this reply today:

translated:

Now there are a couple of possible loopholes here. Something could have been lost in translation. Also, The GTX 485m "supports" Optimus, just like Sandy Bridge and 6230 wifi cards "support" WiDi. Or, he could be confusing the P150 for the 5160. Nevertheless, to say the laptop itself supports them in an email seems to be quite a stretch and a monumental marketing ploy. Anyway I just thought I would pass this information on, maybe someone else can build upon it.