Sager NP8651 / Clevo P650SE with GTX 970m First Look

Have you ordered from them? Does the slow response time matter? How is their customer service?

 

The 4K screen is probably holding up my P650SE then. Maybe I should just get the P650SG then?

 

They were pretty knowledgeable. I didn't order from them but that's the screen I'm going to swap the stock one for. I ordered from Xoticpc. I think the slow response time is negligible, and it isn't nearly as slow as some of the other IPS options mentioned out there which are compatible. I would call it a medium speed response time, a sacrifice I'm willing to make for better colors, viewing angles, and brightness for sure!

 

go for it, might as well!

 

If you've got the money and don't mind the extra thickness, I'd say go for it, definitely.

 

I inquired with both MythLogic and XoticPC before buying with the former. Both were very helpful and responsive, and I would buy from either. I ended up going with MythLogic for a couple of reasons, but not really limitations with XoticPC. A number of reviews liked the fact that MythLogic did the builds and found potential issues that Clevo-Sager would not if shipped direct.

My MythLogic Dia 1614 ordered last month is still in Pre-order status, due to their US allocations. I'm now inquiring if the P650SG would become available around the same time as the P650SE, with the 4K panel, and might just go with that, even though it'll now definitely slip to December. I'm "surviving" on another notebook for now.

 

So Mythlogic builds in house as opposed to resellers like XoticPC, LPC-Digital, ect. who have them shipped from Sager directly to the buyer?

 

yup yup, myth is a system builder, has its own brand names and is independent from sager

 

So this reseller in my area just confirmed availability for the SG model at the end of nov/start of december, so I changed to that (the upgrade over 970m is around 230 euros). I hate this waiting game.

 

Mythlogic, get an IPS 1080p panel option so I can throw my money at you guys!!

 

My thoughts exactly, while the 3K/4K screens are enticing a good 1080p IPS panel would be my choice .
I really hope more US resellers start having options for them and not be stuck with TN panels, not that the stock TN panel is bad but an IPS option I would think would be very popular.

 

Totally agree.I'm all for 1080p IPS. Bring it, bring it!

 

I just browsed over to the Sager website to see if it had any updates and found this.

*shop closed for maintenance*
The store is closed

Hopefully that is them updating the configuration for the SG series.

 

That site isn't officially their main site, still in development. I'd recommend continuing to use their official site.

Sager

 

A lot of sites use "www[23..]" for dev, test, staging, etc... They use access controls to change the presentation of the page based on viewer, although I am surprised they are not using a redirector to "www" for public viewers.

 

Indeed.

Sager is reporting the Sharp IZGO 4K panel isn't available until 2014-Dec-10. So now I'm really looking at going with the P650SG instead of P650SE, if the latter is going to slip due to panel unavailability, if this is also the case with MythLogic.

 

Funnily enough, for me it's the SG chassis which is holding my order up, not the Sharp 4K panel. My reseller won't have the chassis before the 12th December, meaning delivery on the 18-19th. Hurry up time, please...

 

Sager Notebook :: Series Notebook :: NP8652
www3.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP8652.htmlVertaal deze pagina
NP8652. Notebook. 15.6" Full HD LED-Backlit Display; Nvidia GeForce GTX 980M 4GB GDDR5; Intel® Core™ i7-4710HQ; 8GB DDR3 at 1600MHz; 750GB ...

That is from google when u search NP8652..
Great news, i gues.

OMG: Pictures Will this be the P650SG..?






Sager Notebook :: Series Notebook :: NP8652

 

My NP8651 is expected to arrive on Friday. I may or may not take a bunch of pictures of it, and especially the screen, to help you guys out with things.

 

NP8652 is so hot! *sigh*

 

I am aroused.

 

It's all that naughty exposed copper they were showing?

 

Not only that it's huge and looks much more robust than its little brother.

 

That's what she said...

 

So you're saying size matters?

It does have a more hefty feel to it, doesn't it. For someone that wants a sleeker package (heh) without it being super slim and light, this does look nice.

I still don't like those facets and chopped corners, though

 

When it comes to heatsinks for proper cooling size always matters!

 

Is the Samsung 256GB XP941 m.2 PCIe x4 a Bootable drive in this machine?

Considering using this as my windows drive and my spare 500 GB 850 Evo as a Games drive.

Thanks!

 

I am also curious about this. That drive is hands down the best money can buy at the moment. Speeds are amazing...

 

I believe others here have stated that it can be used as a boot drive... but also apparently the heat it generates is amazing, too.

 

Sager does have that drive available to select as the OS drive.

 

yup yup, better get urself some heatsinks to put on this puppy!

 

Thanks Dabeer and Hutsady - good to know they are bootable drives.

OMG - 113*C after a couple minutes of easy use on the controller chips... sad panda here

 

Then that would mean either there is a proprietary driver or, more likely, the XP941 implements a full AHCI compatibility layer so is API compatible like any SATA controller.

I know there have been a lot of rumors around here about Intel 80 series chipset not being compatible with storage devices on M.2-PCIe, and the 90 series being allegedly required for such support, but I think that's probably more about NVMe support.

Or it could be a combination of both.

I.e., it's AHCI compatible for boot, but once the OS kernel starts, on an 80 series chipset, the Intel driver won't manage it, but Samsung provides one for increased capabilities.

 

As the machine gets heavier and thicker for the 980m, I'd personally lean towards the Sager NP8268 over the NP8652/P650SG. You're talking probably less than a pound and less than a half inch difference.

 

*whispers into wingnut´s ear* ZM, you cannot escape it.....

 

Is there IPS screens for it tho?

 

Yeah, well the P650SE is a bit bigger and heavier than I care for but it has the power and barely my battery requirements (3-4 hrs useful surfing, etc). I like the MSI GS60 too, but it runs quite a bit hotter, less easy to upgrade and clean/repaste and costs a good $500-600 more. But it also is only 4.5 lbs and 20mm thick with 970m and i7-4710HQ also.

A 14" with 1080p IPS 16ms or faster, with 970m, M.2 SSD only would be fine too, under 4lbs, under 25mm would be my ideal laptop.

 

Gigabyte P34W V3?

 

If only that came with MSI's build quality and materials...

 

Yea......

 

I have to disagree. That half inch thickness is quite noticeable, in my opinion. Also, the P65xSx series just looks much higher quality to me thanks to the use of metal over plastic. The main trade off is that battery vs the NP8268.

 

Yeah, that's the problem. It runs really hot, and is quite a bit flimsy. The best thing about the P650SE and relatives is the price! Even if you have to spend $100 on a replacement LCD and $80 for Windows 8.1, it's still quite a bit cheaper than a comparably equipped GS60.

 

Great review, HTWingNut. Do you know if it's necessary/a good idea to put on some thermal paste on CPU/GPU on the P650SE?

 

Some IC7 can only be good ! But if you're not familiar at all with how to paste then don't do it you might end up doing more harm than good. As you can see, with those temps it's not vital to repaste.

If you want to repaste, please consider viewing how to repaste (each paste has its own method) (youtube, manufafturer's website ....)

 

I did repaste after doing my review tests and because temps were so low to begin with, it barely made a difference. If your temps are higher than expected then I'd do a re-paste.

 

Alrighty, thanks. I'll do that. What about installing a M.2 SSD, is it difficult, or can I do it myself? I'm not a total noob

 

Thats Exactly what I'm searching for too.. and yeah.. the Gigabyte is not really a good option... I'm even thinking a little bit about a ThinkPad (thinking about a thinkpad... see what I did there..... yeah.. euuugh..) T440S.... If that only had a i7-4710HQ I would totally go for that too since I don't desperately need the graphics card... That being said.. The Dell XPS 13 or 15 would also be a nice option.. was it not that I bought a XPS15 for someone like a 2 month ago and noticed the noise problem that they apparently have already for about a year and never even tryed to fix it. They all seem to have a noice issue with the power regulators inside the laptops making a very annoying high pitch scream when fully charged.

I'm still looking between the P650 SE, GS60 and a tiny bit to the T440s because of quality and light weight.

 

Installing an M.2 should be trivially easy. Remove 14 screws to take off the bottom cover, plus one screw for the M.2 bracket, then insert the SSD at an angle and push flat. Reattach the bracket, replace the bottom cover and 14 screws, and you're done.

 

It's really little different than a Mini-PCI/mSATA card, or a SO-DIMM memory module. You insert at a 30-45 degree angle, press down and, depending on the design, screw down the end with a screw. M.2, like Mini-PCI/mSATA, tend to be a screw down, unlike SO-DIMM which has 2 side catch-spring clips, because the latter has a fixed size, while the formers do not.

Just do one thing ... ground yourself!

Spoiler

The damage done via static discharge, even when you don't feel it or see it, can make all the difference. There's no where for the charge to go if you're not grounded, and you're handling electronics that are not plugged in. Damage is rarely instantaneous, but the effects will often be found in reduced lifespan years, months or even weeks later. I have to educate people on this way too often, along with Faraday cages (electrostatic-free bag) for storing electronics. Yes, it makes a difference than your typical Glad bag.

NOTE: If you don't have pad or lab with a wrist strap, at least touch something that is grounded, like the metal housing of a PC power supply that is plugged in or something that has the ground symbol. Do this every minute or so of working, or as often as possible without moving away from the work area.

It's ideal if humidity in the area is moderate to reduce the chance of build-up, although grounding is always the most effective on its own (i.e., both together are most ideal). I live in Florida, where the humidity is rarely an issue, although an opposing problem for some portion of the year (condensation).

 

I know I saw information somewhere on this site (not necessarily this thread) about what screens match this one to get a better quality screen, does anyone know where to find a screen that can replace this? I have mine on order, but have heard the screen is average at best. Everything about it is so perfect, I don't want to be wanting more because the screen is poor.

(If you saw this post on a different thread I apologize, I had a few open I was searching through, didn't notice I posted to one that hasn't had a reply in two weeks!)