The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
← Previous pageNext page →

    2013 Ativ Book 9 Plus owner's lounge (NP940X3G)

    Discussion in 'Samsung' started by paulreedsmith, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    7,197
    Messages:
    28,841
    Likes Received:
    2,165
    Trophy Points:
    581
    Thank you for the tips and links.

    I've put a reference to this post in the touchpad thread.

    John
     
  2. blunden

    blunden Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    133
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    No problem. Seemed only fair to post the solution here too. I actually found immediate use the more advanced tool (seemingly the old control panel) you suggested. It allowed me to disable the slightly annoying delay that happens when drawing a selection and dragging-and-dropping with the touchpad. I can't find a good reason for why it is enabled by default since it only results in the laptop feeling slower.
     
  3. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    OK, so I cloned my 128GB SSD over to a new Transcend M.2 256GB SSD. When I go to boot it now goes directly to "automatic repair" and it won't boot into Windows. I've tried the bootrec /fixmbr fixboot rebuildbcd, etc. Any other ideas? I'd like to not do a clean install since I got it all set up how I want it. Not sure why it what could be missing that it won't boot.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2015
  4. cu_shane

    cu_shane Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Maybe a bad clone? I used Easeus To Do Backup Free and made sure to check the box for SSD and it worked fine.
     
  5. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Thanks, but no. I did it both from an image file and direct SSD to SSD with the same result. Have used Macrium Reflect dozens of times with no issues. Not sure what the issue might be. I think I may just start from scratch because by the time I futz around with this will likely burn a few hours anyhow, and I could have already had a clean install completed.
     
  6. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    7,197
    Messages:
    28,841
    Likes Received:
    2,165
    Trophy Points:
    581
    How about trying to use Samsung Recovery Solution (see discussion here) to make a backup flash drive and then use that for installation onto the new SSD?

    John
     
  7. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Thanks for the suggestions. I did that, but I can't remove the dang recovery partition without the system freaking out. I want to OP my SSD a bit too, which the free space should be at the end of the drive, and not sure the system will like me even moving the partition. I'll just do a clean install this weekend when I get a chance. Wasted too much time as it is that I could have had a clean install completed already. Just that I had my system setup the way I wanted, didn't think it would be such a pain to image to a new SSD.

    When I did the recovery thought it asked if I wanted to reset the Trusted Platform Module and figured that might have something to do with it. The system has anti-theft and TXT and not sure if that was preventing the proper boot with an imaged drive, but I don't see why it wouldn't. I still have my 128GB module intact, so if there is a sure-fire way to make it work, I wouldn't mind giving it a go, but at the moment it doesn't like me.
     
  8. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    7,197
    Messages:
    28,841
    Likes Received:
    2,165
    Trophy Points:
    581
    I've always cloned the original SSD and then deleted the recovery partition on the new SSD in the knowledge that I've got the original one in the box in case I need to either re-clone, send for repair or reload the factory installation. I don't SRS for other backups.

    SRS doesn't like a hint of movement in its recovery partition. We think it uses a pointer to the physical disk address stored in the BIOS which only SRS itself can change.

    John
     
  9. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Thanks. That's what I did though. I cloned it but the cloned ssd wouldn't boot. In any case I did a clean install, no drivers our anything yet, but so far without a hitch.
     
  10. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Running with a clean install now. :)

    A couple things though:
    1) Has anyone had an issue or been able to circumvent some games not scaling lower resolutions to full screen? Even if I change desktop to the game resolution, it still runs the game in letterbox format and runs the screen at full resolution.
    2) Has anyone repasted their CPU? It looks like you have to remove the whole motherboard since the heatsink screws are on the other side. But would like some feedback in that regard.
    3) Under load my CPU throttles down heavily to only 1.6-1.8GHz. It's not as bad as my Sony Vaio, but it still happens.
     
  11. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    11,330
    Messages:
    4,414
    Likes Received:
    2,163
    Trophy Points:
    231
    I realize I am way late to this party, but I am mystified why your cloning/re-imaging did not work. And I would love to find out why.

    Normally, cloning in Samsung Recovery Solution 6 (SRS6) with the Disk Copy feature, or using the Factory Image feature with Create boot disk enabled, is the safest way to make the transition to a new SSD -- and the only way if you want to preserve SRS on the new SSD (which I realize wasn't actually a priority in your case). A full disk image with Clonezilla should work as well, though not Macrium, Acronis or other 3rd party partition tools. And I have never heard reports of Samsung laptops refusing to boot Windows after deleting the Recovery partition.

    Again, I realize you are already on with your clean installation, but I would be grateful if you can answer the following questions, in the interest of sparing other members the pain you went through:

    1) Just to make sure: Your model is one that has Samsung Recovery Solution -- not a Microsoft Signature model (where they replace SRS with Windows Recovery)? I think we already discussed that after you first got it, but I want to make sure. SRS6 has TWO Recovery partitions at the end of the drive, whereas Windows Recovery only has one. This is in addition to the small Windows Recovery Tools partition at the beginning of the drive (which should NOT be deleted). See this post for standard partition layout on a Samsung laptop.

    2) Did you boot SRS with F4 or use the SRS app in Windows? We generally recommend using F4 to boot directly to SRS before using these procedures, to make sure there is no interference from other Windows programs or tasks.

    3) For the Factory Image Backup, which type of USB flash drive did you use? USB2 or USB3? And does it show up as a Removable Drive or a Fixed Disk in Windows Explorer?

    4) When you booted the Factory Image flash drive, did you use F10 to temporarily select a boot device or change the Boot Priority in BIOS? Did the new SSD show up as expected in Boot Priority?

    5) Did you change UEFI settings at any point? Samsung laptops are not as tolerant as some other vendors in this area. If you changed to CSM or hybrid mode, that would definitely cause boot problems and not be compatible with SRS6.

    Regarding the infamous F4 link (the one that breaks SRS when it is damaged) I am convinced that it is stored in the partition table, and that 3rd party tools damage it by rewriting partition table entries without knowing about it. Clonezilla is known to preserve SRS when making a full disk image -- presumably because it maintains the partition table intact in that case. Other partition tools (EaseUS and Paragon in particular) are known to damage it even when just moving the Recovery partitions.
     
  12. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    SRS does not exist on my system, but Windows backup recovery image appeared to work during backup without issue. There was only a single recovery partition (no "Samsung_Rec" as shown in link), and four partitions in total. IMHO any laptop that is this sensitive to backup/recovery without clear instructions on how to clone or properly backup the system is completely faulty. Proprietary backup is so taboo, it's the one thing that majorly turns me off about this laptop. And the fact that you have to rely on a single app (Samsung SW update) to install drivers is a bit disappointing as well, although it did work flawlessly this time around.

    I used a USB 3.0 flash drive, because I bought a bunch of 16GB MicroCenter USB 3 flash drives for cheap for these kinds of purposes. It did show up as removable drive. I used F10 to select boot device after disabling secure boot and setting it to CSM or UEFI, which is the only way it would see the USB drive.

    In any case I also did a "forensic copy" (which is exact sector by sector copy) directly from the stock M.2 SSD, which booted just fine, the the new SSD and it still would not boot from the new SSD. I could do a recovery from my USB recovery partition drive to the new SSD just fine too, and would boot fine, but if I tried to delete or move the recovery partition (with gparted), it would corrupt the boot process.

    If I feel like removing all those screws again and installing my stock 128GB SSD I will do so and take a screen shot of the partition setup of the SSD.

    All this being said, she's a keeper!
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2015
    Dannemand likes this.
  13. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    11,330
    Messages:
    4,414
    Likes Received:
    2,163
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Thank you!

    So yours must be a Microsoft Signature model where they replace Samsung Recovery Solution with Windows Recovery, which explains why it didn't behave as expected when you cloned the SSD. It is a relief to know that Earth is still spinning at normal speed when it comes to the advice we give here on using SRS.

    I couldn't agree more that SRS being so sensitive and easily disturbed is a major shortcoming -- made worse by the fact that Samsung doesn't warn about it or nag users to make a factory image backup. In fact, I have often posted that Microsoft replacing SRS on Signature models is not necessarily a bad thing. I just don't have any experience with Windows Recovery myself to help Samsung members -- but there must be plenty of advice out there.

    The reason I asked about the type of USB flash drive is because SRS has some issues (there, as well) of not wanting to create bootable backups on USB sticks that behave as fixed disks. I cannot imagine that would be an issue with Windows Recovery, since Microsoft are the ones mandating that USB sticks must behave as fixed disks for official Win8 compatibility.

    However, I am surprised you had to select OS Mode Selection=UEFI & CSM OS in order to boot the USB backup. That would indicate Windows Recovery doesn't properly format the backup USB stick for UEFI machines (GPT/FAT32); otherwise it should have booted in pure UEFI mode. This is embarrassing for Microsoft, who insist that Win8 computers must run UEFI, yet seemingly forgot to make their own Recovery tool fully UEFI compatible.

    I know what you mean about SW Update. Many people prefer to just download drivers from a website. But I have come to appreciate it, both because it provides central access to Samsung's entire driver database (for all models), but also because it makes clean install a snap, with minimal rebooting.

    Over & out on this. Thanks again.
     
  14. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yes it is a Microsoft Signature model. We all here are somewhat technically inclined (or at least pretend to be pretty well, lol), and we have issues making it work, imaging Joe Laptop User that doesn't care or want to fuss with that stuff but just wants more storage or has a failed SSD. I may fuss with it more. Wish it were less complicated, but maybe I can help others if I can figure out the formula to make it work.
     
  15. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    11,330
    Messages:
    4,414
    Likes Received:
    2,163
    Trophy Points:
    231
    That is very true. It shouldn't be so delicate, but unfortunately it is.

    In fact, that is precisely why we try to boil it down to some fairly rigid recommendations with SRS (such as this): There are many more potential ways to skin that cat, but we know those procedures work, as long as users follow the given steps and watch out for the gotchas we point out.

    Many new users only discover these gotchas after it is too late: They have read advice based on other vendors (which doesn't apply to Samsung) or they have experience from earlier Windows versions (which doesn't factor in UEFI). Much of the traffic we get in the Samsung forum is AFTER they fall through the trapdoor and want to put their system back together. That's where the big SRS backup/restore guide comes in (the one John gave you and which we link in the Samsung Forum Sticky List).

    But that only covers models with SRS. If you (or any member) can post guides or summaries for Signature models, that would be highly appreciated.
     
  16. blunden

    blunden Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    133
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Which PDF reader are you guys using on HiDPI laptops? Windows built-in Reader app is perfectly smooth but really only works satisfactory fullscreen. Adobe Reader is a laggy mess. I haven't tried Sumatra but it used to be a bit ugly.

    Also, more importantly: Which neoprene sleeve do you guys use? I have a hard time finding one that is actually really fitted for the thin profile of this laptop. They all seem to want to support the Macbook Pro and basically any 13" laptop, meaning they are all too big.

    EDIT: This sleeve looks pretty good. Has anyone tried it?
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2015
  17. Derek880

    Derek880 Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    I bought my Ativ Book 9 Plus back in October 2014. I immediately plugged in my USB mouse upon starting it, (as I rarely used touchpads), and was going along happily for the first couple of months without a problem. The machine ran, and still runs like a dream. Fast and efficient. Back in December, my USB mouse died and I was forced to use the touchpad in a pinch. It was then that I discovered that it was completely useless. Not only was it erratic, but left clicks became right clicks, and eventually it would stop moving all together. A restart would correct it, but only for about 3-4 minutes, then it would go back to the erratic behavior. Although, I replaced the USB mouse, paying over $1000 for a laptop meant that I should expect ALL of the components to work, whether I used them or not. The touchpad HAS to work. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it needs to be functional.

    I finally decided to send it in to get my erratic touchpad situation fixed. According to the documentation that came back with the work ticket, apparently it's an electrical issue.

    It shipped out on 1/12/15, and I got it back on 1/19/15, which surprised me. I thought it would be gone for at least two weeks if not longer. Most surprising is that based on the UPS tracking, it arrived at the repair facility on 1/15/15, and was sent back to UPS to be sent back to me the very same day! So apparently, Samsung is aware of this issue, knows that it's an electrical problem, and can fix it fairly quickly. No amount of un-installing and re-installing drivers helped with mine. So....if anyone is still having issues, and you're still under warranty, I suggest skipping the driver installs and contacting Samsung customer support. So far, I have had no issues at all with my touchpad since the fix.

    After reading these forums, this appears to be a common flaw that Samsung should definitely look into, and if possible extend the warranties. I think the Ativ is a beautiful machine, and so far, is the best laptop I've ever owned in terms of speed, weight, and functionality. But the touchpad experience almost ruined it for me. I don't know if they have any company reps that read these forums, but it would be a good idea if they did.
     
  18. lovelaptops

    lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!

    Reputations:
    1,208
    Messages:
    3,600
    Likes Received:
    107
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Thank you so much for both your bravery in sending your precious Ativ 9+ into the black hole that is the Samsung repair depot (or any mfr's repair depot, for that matter) to blaze the trail for the rest of us who, possessed of the finest laptop on the planet (within its Ultrabook-ish strengths and weaknesses wekaknesses) are driven to frustrated distraction by seemingly minor but also mission critical failures of basic functions, chief in that list for this particular product being the trackpad. While you clearly do not consider the trackpad to be the primary navigational device for your 13" laptop, you have found that a non-functional trackpad is a critical failure given that it is the navigating tool of last resort when either your mouse quits working or, as many have discovered, the cramped workspace of, say, a middle seat in coach on a US transcontinental flight renders the trackpad the Only way to get around your workspace when there is simply no place to put a mouse down on any kind of surface suitable for moving/scrolling around pages of your work files.

    (I should mention here that among the who-needs-it capabilities that Intel saw fit to require to endow a 2013-14 laptop with the dubiously valuable certification of an "Ultrabook" (tm) was a 10-pt touchscreen. And while I don't believe Intel had in mind the ultimate practicality in mind when adding that functionality to the Ultrabook (tm) certification - rather, it was added to ensure that partner Microsoft's ailing Windows 8 OS, with its "touch-optimized" interface, might become synonymous with best-in-class mobile computing just at the point when its commendable if flawed Surface Pro tablets appeared to be headed for a "fail" in the market - it turns out that practicality can indeed be seen as a must-have luxury featurein the finest mobile computing device of the age. To wit: if the mouse fails and the trackpad turns out to never have worked the requirement of a (presumably functioning) 10-pt touchscreen saves the day without breaking a sweat.

    But alas, we are not here to bury the trackpad on the Samsung Ativ 9+ - we are here to resurrect it! So let us turn in our hymnals back to the start of this post, where I praised the OP fo having the intestinal fortitude to put his/her extremely expensive and otherwise near-petfect laptop companion into the hands of who-knows-who for a period of who-knows-how-long in hopes of repairing the single apparent fatal flaw of this most elegant piece of kit ever created to complement the busy life of the successful professional or executive who is the hero of our story!

    Now I will shift this into high gear (if I'm becoming bored with my own novella on the fate of the trackpad I can't imagine how many of you are eager to rip the keyboard from my hands!) and say that there are dozens upon dozens of posts bemoaning the failures of the Ativ Book 9+ trackpad and an equal number of ever more complex recommended remedies. (I supplied at least half a doen suggestions of my own!) What remained baffling was that the vast majority of owners had no trackpad problems at all. We all just felt so much empathy for those who had dumped $1200 - $1,800 on a machine which, quit literally, couldn't get out of its own way!

    So it turns out that all the trouble, unsolved by (truly) some of the greatest technical minds with expertise in notebook computers, was due to a faulty electrical connection. That it took over a year to diagnose and fix the problem is a testimony to the fear and loathing that strikes the hearts of the owners of high end devices faced with the prospect of sending their "babies" to be manhandled, scraped and scratched by nameless faceless "Techs" to be kept for weeks, months even and with no means of checking into the progress of the repair - perhaps no means of confirming that your device is even in their possession.

    The probability of having the kind of experience the OP had - immediate receipt, diagnosis, repair and Same-Day return - was so low that to even suggest it eould have made one the laughing stock of these forums!

    I am left with two thoughts in light of this mostly miraculous event:

    1) don't expect this to happen again, certainly not to You!

    2) If you are spending more than, oh, $750 on a computer, pay up for on site service. At least that way you can see the person who you may or may not allow to take apart your computer, and you can watch them work and call a halt if you don't feel comfortable. You can also call tech support and request a higher caliber tech. Note: you cannot purchase on-site service or even an extended warranty for Samsung products. My personal advice: if you like this product, do as I did and find a refurb on eBay for 60% off. Same stellar build, same awesome screen, same buttery smooth operation, no physical or operational problems with device from purchase date to today. But had I encountered any problems, the $650 purchase price for this model with an i7-4550U, 8GB, 256GB would have made the cost to repair far easier to handle
     
  19. QFT

    QFT Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Hi all,

    First off, thanks for the super helpful thread.

    Secondly - speaking as someone who used to do some limited laptop repair in a former IT career, erratic touchpad behavior consisting of things like the cursor jumping around a lot, flying and sticking to the corner of the screen, and the left/right click buttons not working properly (or inconsistently activating the wrong button) is usually indicative of an issue with the touchpad logic board. It's something the manufacturer needs to replace, unless you can get replacement parts and are very comfortable working inside your laptop. Sounds like your findings are consistent with that, and I'm sorry I didn't see/reply to this earlier. Some laptop models are plagued by this issue; the Dell D620/630 laptops come to mind. Hopefully it's not a common problem with the Book 9's!


    Third - I have a Microsoft Signature edition, and plan to upgrade the SSD at some point. I imagine Clonezilla disk imaging would do the trick? I'm thinking clone image to USB hard drive, install new drive, clone image to new drive. Since a disk image can capture all the partitions I think this should work OK? Any feedback?
     
  20. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    11,330
    Messages:
    4,414
    Likes Received:
    2,163
    Trophy Points:
    231
    HI QFT, welcome to NBR.

    Thank you for sharing that insight about the touchpad. Unfortunately issues with Elan touchpads are frequent on this an other Samsung models. Some of them are rooted in software and configuration (see the discussion around here and this post for some tips).

    But like you, I believe hardware differences between individual units (though sometimes subtle) are a more common cause than generally realized. I personally returned two units of my (older) Series 7 model due to touchpad issues before getting my current one. When working right, these touchpads are excellent. Expect nothing less, and be prepared to go the hardware route if necessary.

    For your new SSD, see this post for the most common ways to get software onto it. A common gotcha with Samsung laptops is that 3rd party partition tools generally lose Samsung Recovery Solution (SRS) when cloning or imaging/restoring. SRS's own built-in tools preserve it. And Clonezilla is the exception to the 3rd party rule, in that it should preserve SRS when doing a full disk image -- but NOT when imaging SRS partitions individually.

    But your Microsoft Signature model doesn't have SRS, so you don't have to worry about any of that :D
     
  21. QFT

    QFT Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Great! I think I'm good. My touchpad works very well, and I'm familiar with disk imaging vs partition imaging.
     
  22. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Speaking of which there are only 3 partitions with the Microsoft Signature Model (See Disk 1):

    [​IMG]
     
  23. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    11,330
    Messages:
    4,414
    Likes Received:
    2,163
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Thank you for sharing that.

    There is an extra Microsoft Reserved Partition (so-called MSR) in front of the Windows partition which is hidden in Windows Disk Management. And then there is the 8GB Windows Recovery partition at the end of the drive (not to be confused with the Windows Recovery Tools partition at the front).

    So, based on your screen dump I would guess the full list of partitions on Signature models looks like this:

    EFI boot - 100MB (so-called ESP)
    MSR - 128 MB (MS Reserved, hidden in Windows Disk Manager)
    Windows C: - size varies (Windows system and software)
    Data - size varies - optional (Optional data partition)
    Windows Recovery - 8GB (Windows Recovery factory image)

    Minitool Partition Wizard should display the complete partition list.

    Edit: Wait, I misunderstood your post: So Disk 1 IS indeed the actual SSD that came from Microsoft. The only additional partition is that hidden MSR. I updated my list to reflect that.

    It appears they squeeze the Windows Recovery Tools onto the Recovery partition at the end. That surprises me since Microsoft's own guidelines put the Windows Recovery Tools partition at the beginning (like on your Disk 0). Samsung merely split their Recovery in two and otherwise followed Microsoft's guidelines.
     
  24. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Disk 0 is my clean install on 512GB Transcend

    Disk 1 is the stock 128GB Samsung SSD from Microsoft connected via a USB M.2 adapter. No partitions have been moved or deleted or anything.

    Here's the diskpart partition list:

    [​IMG]


    Seems MiniTool uses convention starting with Disk 1 than Disk 0 so of course here Disk 1 the Transcend and Disk 2 is the stock 128GB.

    MiniTool Partition List:

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2015
    Dannemand likes this.
  25. Aerobat

    Aerobat Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    A NP940X3G specific question relating to recovery:

    What is the size of the SAMSUNG_REC2 partition on this device? Or rather, what do you have on your devices? I forgot to record the exact size before deleting it (stupid, yes...)
    I understand there is a range of options, about 13-25 GB, but I would expect it to be at least the same for similar configurations (in my case i7, 256gb). My backup is around 13 GB so I would expect the partition to be similar.
    Thanks.


    Didn't want to repeat my problem relating to restoring recovery, which is described in detail here:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sam...very-problem-windows-8-1-a-7.html#post9907237
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 29, 2015
  26. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    11,330
    Messages:
    4,414
    Likes Received:
    2,163
    Trophy Points:
    231
    If you are re-creating SRS with Admin Tool, you don't have to match the original size exactly, as long as it is large enough for the contents. Of course those contents include the factory image (which I believe fits on a 16GB stick for this model). But it ALSO includes the SystemSoftware folder containing all the original drivers and bloatware. If you are looking to restore the complete file and folder contents of the original SAMSUNG_REC2 (presuming you have such a backup) the size of SAMSUNG_REC2 must simply be large enough to accommodate it all.

    I bet if you look back through this thread, somebody posted a screendump of their partition list. Just be aware that some (such as @HTWingNut, who just posted his partition list) have Microsoft Signature models without SRS.
     
  27. Aerobat

    Aerobat Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Thanks - I wasn't sure if a larger size would pose a problem.

    As noted in the thread above I was now able to recover.
    For reference the SAMSUNG_REC2 size is 13,3 GB on my model (NP940X3G-K05DE). It is pretty much the same size as the usb backup (seems to be a simple copy). I will post a partition screenshot later.
     
    Dannemand likes this.
  28. wagthedog

    wagthedog Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Tried searching through the forums but couldn't find any posts that resolve this issue:

    My Ativ 9 has all of a sudden refused to sleep when I close the lid. Now whenever the lid is closed and I reopen it, it starts from a fresh boot. This really never was a problem. Because the Ativ forces a complete reboot, I have to restart whatever programs I had open before I closed the lid. Annoying...

    I've checked the power settings: "When I close the lid" is set to "Sleep" on both battery and plugged in
    Fast startup is on. All the drivers are up-to-date. No malware or viruses.

    Am I missing something?
     
  29. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    7,197
    Messages:
    28,841
    Likes Received:
    2,165
    Trophy Points:
    581
    Note the time then close the lid. Then, after reboot look in Event View > System Log to see what happened at the time when you close the lid. That might give some clues. Tell us what you find.

    John
     
  30. wagthedog

    wagthedog Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Ah.. I checked the event log and found a critical kernel-power event that lines up identically with the timing:

    "The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly."

    Anyone else had this problem on the Ativ?
     
  31. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    7,197
    Messages:
    28,841
    Likes Received:
    2,165
    Trophy Points:
    581
    I wonder if the power management has gone mad and is cutting the power when you shut the lid. Here's Microsoft's comment. Try uninstalling, rebooting and reinstalling Samsung's Settings program because that loads Samsung's power profiles. The next thing to do is to reinstall the chipset and graphics drivers because they directly interact with the core hardware.

    John
     
  32. Stargazer25

    Stargazer25 Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    6
    If anyone has successfully installed the Windows 10 Tech Preview on their Samsung, I'd love to see a detailed description of how the process went.
     
  33. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    11,330
    Messages:
    4,414
    Likes Received:
    2,163
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Stargazer25 likes this.
  34. Bbmaster91

    Bbmaster91 Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Has anyone's hinge on the ativ 9+ been getting a little bit looser lately? It definitely used to be more rigid, and it's still pretty firm, but now it has more give and is a little more wobbly if I move it around. It's not too bad now, but I'm getting worried that it's going to keep getting worse and was wondering if it's common.
     
  35. Rrolack

    Rrolack Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Unfortunately, I lost one of the 10 screws on the bottom of the laptop. I can't for the life of me figure out what screw size I should order as a replacement. Does anyone know the specs I should be looking for (or have a link to a good replacement)?
     
  36. droyder

    droyder Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    24
    Messages:
    398
    Likes Received:
    36
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Any update on your situation? Still having this issue?
     
  37. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    7,197
    Messages:
    28,841
    Likes Received:
    2,165
    Trophy Points:
    581
    Samsungparts list two types of screw here. The challenge is to decipher the "CH,+,-,M2,L4,PVD(BLK),STS, SCREW-MACHINE" and the "BH,+,M2,L4,ZPC(BLK),SWRCH1 SCREW-MACHINE". Both are 2mm diameter (M2) and 4mm length (L4) and the BLK might be black.

    Alternatively, go round to the market place in the sky and look for "laptop screws". The listing here includes two different M2L4 types. I would expect something to fit well enough that no one will notice that it is not original. It might be a perfect fit. I bought one of these sets last year so I had a stock of spare screws.

    John
     
  38. lovelaptops

    lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!

    Reputations:
    1,208
    Messages:
    3,600
    Likes Received:
    107
    Trophy Points:
    131
    I have had my 9+ for 9 months and don't observe any weakening of hinges at all. They were extremely tight when new and remain so. I suggest a return to Samsung for wtty svce if you are still under wtty. Otherwise, you need someone more knowledgeable than I to find way to tighten hinges - possibly even replace them. Sorry :( Good luck.
     
  39. Rrolack

    Rrolack Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    I bought both screws, and the correct one for the outer case is 6001-003057. The other screw, 6001-002737, I believe is used inside the laptop.
     
  40. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    7,197
    Messages:
    28,841
    Likes Received:
    2,165
    Trophy Points:
    581
    Thanks for the update. The information will be of use to others.

    How many screws does the part number represent?

    John
     
  41. obsidian_octagon

    obsidian_octagon Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Did you ever find a fix for this? I'm experiencing the same issue.
     
  42. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    There is an option in the Samsung settings panel (or whatever its called).
     
  43. IsraelWopps

    IsraelWopps Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    I'm sure there is a fix for the yellow issue, but I have yet to find a working link. Can someone help me out?
    I also use Netbeans to code and the scaling is really off and everything is so minute I can barely see it.
    Does anyone know a way to either zoom in on netbeans or update something to enlarge the program?
     
  44. cbnorwood

    cbnorwood Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    My keyboard has failed and Samsung is using some bogus excuse to void my warranty and attach a $700 price tag to the repair. Does anyone have experience with repairing or obtaining parts for the NP940X3G-K06US or equivalent? Any feedback or advisement would be appreciated.
     
  45. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
  46. Nyclaptop

    Nyclaptop Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    5
    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Has anyone updated their graphics driver with the generic Intel driver, and if so, was there any loss in functionality? Thanks.


    Steven
     
  47. lovelaptops

    lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!

    Reputations:
    1,208
    Messages:
    3,600
    Likes Received:
    107
    Trophy Points:
    131
    @cbnorwood: I'm curious to know, did you send your notebook into Samsung and receive a diagnosis of the problem and description of what repairs were needed, a denial of warranty coverage and a price for the aforementioned required services? If this was all based on phone/email dialog and you didn't send the computer to Samsung for evaluation, would you mind summarizing the dialog(s) you had and how they came to determine:

    a) What was wrong and needed to be repaired
    b) That it was not eligible for warranty coverage
    c) how much they would charge for the repair, itemized by parts and labor

    Assuming HTWingnut's recommended solution will work for you, it is of course outrageous at the least that Samsung was going to charge you $700 for a cheap part and a simple operation (HT: I assume you have confirmed that it is a simple replacement operation, yes?), but perhaps even more outrageous that they would deny you warranty coverage if there was no sign or mention of your having physically damaged the keyboard. It was a common "trick" of Sony Vaio to hold the owner liable for any problems that occurred while the computer failed in any way under warranty. They would routinely send an email stating that the cause of the problem was "owner abuse," regardless of the nature of the problem - eg, it could have been a purely electrical failure with no physical damage present to even try to hang on the owner. If Samsung is doing this too, it would be of great concern and I, for one, would like to explore the matter and potentially assemble a group of owners to submit an "open letter" to Samsung (no, I would not cc: the Ayatollahs in Iran :D ) demanding an explanation of their rationale for any such cases as owners are willing to disclose - or even to include descriptions of such experiences without names disclosed and demand an answer as to their policy, what conceivable rationale they would have for denying a warranty claim in absence of any sign of owner abuse or neglect, and a justification for a charge of $700 for any non-warranty repair involving a $50 part (which costs them less) and what could be attested as, say, a 1 hour or less repair operation requiring only a screw driver and no technical expertise.

    You might ask, to what end would I initiate this and the answer is that I would like to force them to publicly acknowledge their warranty and non-warranty repair policies and practices and use this written acknowledgement as either a basis for an owner to more efficiently oppose an experience such as cbnorwood had or, if the response is too vague or at odds with their written warranty contract and/or industry standard practice, to use the inadequate or conflicting response to further pursue a complaint against Samsung in a couple of chosen states in the US via the states' Attorney Generals' consumer protection divisions in states with a demonstrably aggressive pro-consumer policy on such matters. I have found the "return on investment" of time to pursue offending manufacturers and vendors via state Attorneys General to be very high and that just one case in which the "defendant" (ie, Samsung) was ordered by any legal entity to do anything different than what they had proposed doing before the AG's office became involved becomes a documented defense/offense for any owners in any states/countries (I know that in the EU there are much stricter national consumer protection laws, so if someone who is a resident there could bring a complaint via federal statutes that would be more valuable for a European owner than some form of ordered compensation from a US agency.

    In all, I would hope this kind of action - which I wold take a lead on, but would need to have at least a couple of people willing to help me out with - would put a chilling effect on the practices of Samsung in dealing with warranty claims. I've seen it work before - with HP in particular - and I am particularly outraged when I hear stories like that of cbnorwood about a company I have not only purchased products from (thankfully, mine are either out of warranty or covered by a third party warranty, which I strongly recommend to anyone who made a substantial investment in a Samsung product - and one from pretty much any other computer brand - because I have yet to hear of a single complaint of this nature from someone with a Square Trade extended warranty, for example), but also have recommended numerous friends, family and business associates to purchase.

    For starters, I would need cbnorwood's responses to the questions I posed at the beginning of this post and/or similar information from anyone else with comparable experience with Samsung. Note: I am not suggesting formal legal action, neither individual nor class action lawsuits, but simply administrative actions such as complaints to state consumer protection agencies. There is a time and place for formal litigation, but I am neither sufficiently experienced in initiating such action nor do I believe it is necessary in this cirucmstance. Litigation, especially against a large corporation, is costly and can take years to resolve. But thankfully in some states of the US and countries including Canada and most EU countries have strong consumer protection laws and reasonably straightforward procedures to file complaints and get timely responses.

    It's also disconcerting to hear of a keyboard failing like this in absence of a physical event, such as a dropped computer or one that was submerged. One of the reasons I think Samsung's premium prices are justified is that their quality makes such "catastrophic" failures (ie, ones that render the computer essentially inoperative) highly, highly unusual. I hope this is still the case.

    Very interested in hearing thoughts of others, as well as some clarification from cbnorwood. Thanks all. Jeff Bellin
     
  48. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    11,330
    Messages:
    4,414
    Likes Received:
    2,163
    Trophy Points:
    231
    @HTWingNut gave a great link to affordable keyboards on eBay. We usually refer to SamsungParts.com for "official" replacement parts, even if only to look up the part number so you can Google it for better prices.

    I believe for your model the keyboard is part of the Front Top assembly (part number BA97-03991A) which SamsungParts sells for $200. I didn't see any separate keyboards there.

    For $50, I would go the eBay route suggested by @HTWingNut. Disassembly is somewhat involved, as you work from the bottom up. SamsungParts also sells service manuals in PDF form for $12.

    Edit: Oh, and I agree with @lovelaptops that it is unbecoming of Samsung to be stingy about honoring warranty on a premium product like this (assuming this was a product failure and not accidental damage). My impression from member reports here is that it varies a lot, probably depending on the agent one happens to get and how the case is argued.
     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2015
  49. lovelaptops

    lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!

    Reputations:
    1,208
    Messages:
    3,600
    Likes Received:
    107
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Your advice, as always, is so valuable. I do think that cbnorwood should try to escalate his claim to higher management before investing $50-$200 on parts and get involved in a project that may be beyond his technical/mechanical comfort zone. I'm happy to help suggest strategy to approach Samsung (I'm not very good technically, but business dealings are my main contribution to NBR forums :D) if you could provide some of the detail I requested. Feel free to PM me if you wish to keep it private, or post it here, as others may have ideas or even contacts I don't. It has been my good fortune never to need service of any kind on a Samsung product, though I have had plenty of experience in the industry, and they all pretty much operate the same way - just some are more sleazy than others about trying to duck wtty responsibilities.
     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2015
    Dannemand likes this.
  50. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

    Reputations:
    7,197
    Messages:
    28,841
    Likes Received:
    2,165
    Trophy Points:
    581
    I have reservations about how easy it will be to swap the basic keyboard unit from ebay. The keyboards are somehow bonded into the top assembly in a way that is not designed for simple removal replacement. Hence Samsung's own part is the complete unit.

    John
     
    Dannemand likes this.
← Previous pageNext page →