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    Introducing The 2013 Series 7 Chronos with AMD HD8870M!

    Discussion in 'Samsung' started by yknyong1, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. m4ssnet

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    @e186, read what you share before... that it's the i5 low budget version with an Ati HD8850m (??!!)...
    Mainly here, we are for the i7 3635QM with 15.6" FHD and Ati 8870M...
     
  2. Computingwarren

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    It is in route. Should be here tomorrow. Been waiting so long!
     
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    Drivers.

    People seriously need to calm down. I bet it's just drivers.
     
  4. black83

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    One Amazon.de guy also said it's more like TN-panel like for 17 inch.
    If it's true this notebook is crossed out from my list.

    No TN for me above 800 bucks.
     
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    Nice! What version?

    Laptops are not shipped without drivers for their gpu's. Since this is a rebranded 7xxxm card there should already be some pretty mature drivers.
     
  6. kmann1994

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    What is in route?
     
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    I think it is pretty clear how in those benchmarks on NotebookCheck they do not have proper drivers out yet for the 8870m. My proof?

    Well, for some games (most) it performs the same as the 650m, while on others, it performs the same or better than the GTX 670m. Clearly, I think you can all agree, this is because of a lack of sufficient drivers from AMD. Yes, they ship with drivers, but they clearly are either placeholder or beta drivers or SOMETHING. Check it out and see for yourself:

    AMD Radeon HD 8870M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

    Just to name a few: Skyrim, Alan Wake, and Battlefield 3 it all run at the level or above the 670m. However, the newer games it benchmarks around the 650m.

    I think this is extremely good news. It's awesome to see it perform at the 670m level on these older games with solid driver support!!!
     
  8. Computingwarren

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    The Chronos that is currently being sold at Best buy.
     
  9. Computingwarren

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    Guessing the 8770 version from Best Buy. Not a huge gamer so the difference shouldn't be huge. Ever since CES I've been dying to get it. The ultra looked nice but I'd rather have the 1TB storage.
     
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    I really hope you are right. But there are also games like Diablo 3, Battlefield 3 and Borderlands 2 where it underperforms quite a bit. These games should have decent driver support already.




    Don't think anyone posted this yet: Unboxing of another 8770m with touch model:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpZkPUKxVBE
     
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    Dumb or not you hit the nail on the head. Never occurred to me since its samsung specific. They really need a light on that button.

    Thanks!
     
  12. pranktank

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    I e-mailed with otto this weekend.

    This was my last email:

    As a reply I got that when I have an adress in Germany they would order it for me and promised me I would recieve it within a week.

    I have family in Germany and they are coming over for the weekend, so I do have a German adress for it to be delivered. The problem is, apart from that I can't really believe it, that I am used to an AZERTY layout which is used in France and Belgium. The German QWERTZ layout is just too different I think. What are your opinions?

    Also, I won't see my German family for a few months after this weekend. So if they can't deliver before saturday, which will probably happen I'll have to wait for months or pay quite some shipping fees. What should I do? Thoughts?
     
  13. Alchemist

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    I found out why this machine always has so much memory in use even at clean boot & Idle. Its a samsung app called Intelli-memory and is installed by default. The app doesn't actually show that its using much memory at all but with it 1/2 of your computers memory will always be in use while it will go down to 1.4gb if you uninstall it. It seems to be some type of disk cache, caching your hd to improve performance. This is likely the Ram Accelerator feature touted at CES.

    I have it uninstalled right now, It doesn't seem to make any difference in boot times.
     
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    Well thanks for the info....VERY dissapointed. Well it seems that they did not fix the WiFi issues from the last generation. I find that amazing, but not unexpected. After all the complaints they still did'nt fix it...Oh well. That rules me out as a early adopter and I will just bet the 8870 version is the same. They had a kinda fix on the last generation but it was not completely effictive. For Me bad WiFi range = No sale. Also to another post about a metal bottom cover being on the new 8870 model..........That would be a no. I seem to recal one of the videos that I saw from CES they picked it up and it was plastic. All of the recent Chronos series have been.
    Seanno
     
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    8770 version w/touchscreen?
     
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    Now that I got my performance issue figured out (silent mode, useful but deadly to performance and easy to forget about with no indicator), time for another Another benchmark.

    wPrime (32m, 8 threads) = 9.122 seconds.
     
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    I think this is exactly right. Since I'm going to put an SSD in mine, I would uninstall this right off the bat.
     
  20. Alchemist

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    That is the only model available at best buy.
     
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    Dude....do some more reading. You're quoting a post from days ago. If you kept reading, you would see that the same guy posted later that the WiFi was fixed and back to normal. Calm down and be educated before you make outlandish claims and judgements.
     
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    It makes me worried how only the 8770 model is available in the US, yet, all of these foreign sites are showing the 15 inch version ONLY with the 8870m. No hint of a model with a 8770 anywhere overseas.

    This is extremely disconcerting to me. It makes me believe that every out of US website showing the 15 inch with the 8870 is actually incorrect information, and that the US will NEVER recieve the 8870m version. In which case I will find it very hard to justify buying this laptop if only the 8770m version comes to the US.

    This is the one and only thing that keeps me up at night about this laptop. The 8770 is NOWHERE to be found overseas, but it is the ONLY model available in the US. Also, no one overseas can confirm or deny if the 15 inch version over there has the 8870 or 8770.
     
  23. JTF2

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    First of all, this logic doesn't make sense. Non-US sites report an 8870, so that must be incorrect, so therefore the US will never get the 8870? Second, this has been addressed repeatedly, there are many logical reasons for the delay, non of which anyone knows for sure (same goes for the whole throttling issue).

    This thread is exploding with a lot of useless posts, even though there are some quality ones (e.g. Alchemist). Everyone just calm down until we get a proper review from the likes of notebookcheck, and until we actually see an 8870 model.
     
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    just bought 2 of these from separate bestbuys around MA.

    Initial reactions.. i absolutely love it. Definitely one of the better buys if you do not REQUIRE a 8870m.

    I only do light gaming, and this suits my needs. Diablo 3 ran at max settings on 1080p between 35-50fps. It might be a little laggy at hardcore fighting scenes but overall my experience has been great. Screen is definitely very good, as this is what you should be buying if spending more than 750$+. JBL Speakers are beyond excellent for laptop experience. They sound better than garbage work speakers.

    I ran the WEI benchmark, and its the same as the guys posted above. Looking to install a 840pro later this week.

    I gotta downgrade to Windows 7. I gave windows 8 a try for several days, too many effin options all over the place and it was getting difficult to navigate around the metro interface. I will probably run a back of image on this, and install it under vMware so i can use it on demand.

    The hard drive itself runs a little slow to be honest, i guess coming from an SSD desktop, you just can't go back. Will report back when i have the 840pro installed, and ill probably take the 1tb and use it as an external.

    Overall, experience has been great as long as you're not buying this for hardcore gaming (then you should wait for 8870m). But the 8770m has been more than solid. I'm confident you actually save some battery from using this 8770m. Im averaging about 8-9 hours of light use. Internet/emails/watching videos. Battery gets about 6 hours on diablo3 gaming.
     
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    Haha seriously? Weren't you the one who asked about the black bezel, questioned the existence of the 15" and 17" 8870m version and other obvious things? If you read some more yourself you'd see the youtube video where someone talks about his wifi issues.
    Here you go, so you don't have to look for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHxxwf2bT8

    Do you really want a 17" version? Because as far as I know, there won't be any 17" touchscreen version. I could be wrong though.
     
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    The most likely explanation is its BEST BUY. Best buy makes deals with manufacturers and often has models which differ from those shipped elsewhere. They tend to have a price advantage over the 'regular' models but are disadvantaged in some way. Look at the lil asus 11.6" touch screen at christmas... they had a 2nd gen i3 model otherwise identical to the 3rd gen i3 model sold everywhere else for $100 more (unless there was a sale). This model has limits... max 12gb of ram, and 8770 gpu instead of 8870 gpu. It also has a 90w power supply which seems to be taxed a bit. serving the needs of the GPU. But then again its available for $1199 now and its likely the 8870 edition will sell for upwards of $1599.
     
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    Nice impressions. You wouldn't happen to be able to test PlanetSide 2 would you?

    I'm considering going the 8770 route, and probably will add an SSD also. Nice to see strong battery life on this thing. Also impressed with the repeated comments about the speakers, I've been used to horrible laptop speakers for a long time now.
     
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    He has been educated, and is now a more informed customer... NBR STRIKES AGAIN!!!
     
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    I am also interested in only 17inch touchscreen as I already have a UX32 for portability, I'd be bummed if the 17 touch never comes out... To me it seems samsung is on the same road as for the chronos I release ! Remember they also had a lower spec best buy model around with lesser specs and only came out with the improved 17" version with all the features and NVIDIA GPU about a six months later...

    There is a comment about the 17 on amazon courtesy of google translate "I was looking for a well-made 17 "notebook with an attractive design and came across the 700z7c. Since shortly after the successor should be published, I deliberately waited. has 770z7c The better graphics card (Notebookcheck Graphics Cards place 47 ATI Radeon HD 8870M to Place 65 GeForce GT 650M) and the better price. 770z7e S01 (about 1250 € ;) about 10-20% cheaper than the 700z7c (about 1400 € ;). appearance: , Toll, has not so much changed for 700z7c complete aluminum. except the lower case which is made ​​of plastic (but high-quality feel). performance: Here, the performance index of Windows 8 Pro, with installed SSD: Processor: 7.8 Memory: 7.8 Graphics: 7.0 Graphics Games: 7.0 Primary hard disk: 8.1 When working (programming, surfing, videos, music), the notebook between quiet and not audible at computing intensive applications, it is clear to hear.! Positives: - Good workmanship, good design - very good display: Matt, Full HD - good value for the S01 model great Negatives: - the extra price for a device with SSD is something outrageous (is not included in the assessment) - edges may (lie wrists here on) at the front of his slightly rounded - Problems 700z7c series with Ubuntu as a dual boot (goes to hardware failure), have me to moved Ubuntu zuinstallieren in virtual machine - after reinstalling (by SSD) and installing drivers can adjust the screen brightness no longer with the problem I seem not the only to be (not yet found a solution) I would buy the laptop at any time since I have found no better in the 17 ", but I can not give 5 stars because of the disadvantages. "
     
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    sorry bud, i don't have planetside. I'm also inclined to agree with Alchemist, when the 8870m does come out, which it should as advertised, its most definitely probably going to be at least 1400-1500$+. They will probably include some form of SSD, as they have shown top model at CES. Don't be surprised to see the price jacked up using their own proprietary SSD 840pros. You can probably go the cheaper route by buying one on sale and installing it yourself.

    After reading a couple pages of comments, for those hardcore gamers who need 8870m, there are better laptops out there strictly for gaming maybe you guys could look somewhere else and not bash this laptop because bestbuys edition come with 8770m. Somethings gotta give, whether its battery, or video card. Next thing you know, 8870m comes out and the laptop gets 4hours at best, and people will continue to bash this. lol :)
     
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    My God, help him!
    Samsung has officially announced the Samsung Chronos in twenty-five different languages ​​and in every news she said that this notebook features the 8870M video card. Samsung Italy, Samsung Germany and Samsung France have published on Amazon ONLY version that mounts the 8870M. Then why Samsung would have to present at CES (in Las Vegas), only the version with the 8870M? Las Vegas is just in America, or maybe not?
    I'm not the first and I hope to be the last to clarify your ideas: there is, and will soon be introduced to the market, a non-touchscreen version with 8870M graphics card!
     
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    We know that but any laptop that has a videocard more powerful than the gtx 660m (which the 8870m should be) on the market right now is huge, double as thick as the new series 7 chronos and has very poor battery life. I also don't like to bring a massive gaming laptop to class. I like the chronos because it looks professional and beatiful but is still very powerful.

    8870m or 8770m shouldn't matter too much for battery life because you'd normally use the intel HD 4000 when on battery.
     
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    Even if you have 8870m you can hit the same battery life of 8770m, because to hit the max battery life both must use Intel HD4000.
     
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    Boot times or application response? RAMAccelerator probably won't do a thing to Windows boot, no?

    What programs were you loading before and after uninstall? I'd be interesting if we can get a breakdown of program load for something that is pretty intensive. Games, MATLAB simulators, or something equivalent?
     
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    I know, trust me, I agree with you. I've made NUMEROUS posts about how we all just need to calm down and wait, but there is so much discrepancy about what will be available and what won't be.

    My reasoning for what you bolded up there is that the 8770 version is here in the US, but NOWHERE to be found in other countries. What is the reasoning for that? Also, if I'm not mistaken, hasn't noone even recieved a Chronos 7 that lives out of the US? It seems the few owners posting on here (Alchemist) are from the US. No one out of the US seems to have this laptop.
     
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    Doing exactly this. Can't wait for the day I see it on Amazon
     
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    Watched that last night. I'm on the game, don't worry. Yes I'm sorry I questioned the black bezel thing, but I was uninformed at the time. I wouldn't get a non-touchscreen version of this laptop.
     
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    Haha I have always been extremely informed about that laptop. The one time I slip up..... :(
     
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    The 8770m version must be a best-buy exclusive like written a few posts ago. So it won't be offered in Europe. That's why no-one in Europe has a 15inch series 7 chronos yet because the 8870m model (the only 15" option in europe) is not available yet. Apart from the best-buy 15" with 8770m and the 17" versions no series 7 chronos are available yet anywhere i the world.
     
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    Not true at all, the two things are unrelated. It would run on the integrated graphics when not gaming just like the 8770 model, so the batt life would be the same. I would NEVER game on battery power so battery life while gaming has never, will never, and should never to anyone be a concern.
     
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    Would someone please answer my question since I have asked it twice with no answers.

    How are some people getting this at Best Buy when I went to two local ones and neither have heard about it or have it in stock. Just the older one. I am in San Antonio, Texas.
     
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    Haha I'm not looking for the non touchscreen version! Why the hell would I want that? All I want is the exact version announced at CES, on Samsung's site, and on all the other tech news sites. The 8870m model WITH a touchscreen.

    Non-touchscreen model? Hell no.
     
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    This makes perfect sense. Best Buy does often do those kinds of exclusive things, come to think of it. I'm counting on Amazon US to bring that 8870m model WITH the touchscreen. When I see that, I will be so unbelievably happy :D
     
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    Wow the 8870m does only a little better than the Gt 650m on that game. I wonder if their is a driver issue. AMD Radeon HD 8870M - NotebookCheck.net Tech The rest of the numbers that notebook check have listed on this chip put it on par with the Gtx 670m, but not on this game apparently.
     
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    It is. Check my post I wrote about it. I made some very valid points that explain this situation perfectly...

    Here's what I wrote:

    I think it is pretty clear how in those benchmarks on NotebookCheck they do not have proper drivers out yet for the 8870m. My proof?

    Well, for some games (most) it performs the same as the 650m, while on others, it performs the same or better than the GTX 670m. Clearly, I think you can all agree, this is because of a lack of sufficient drivers from AMD. Yes, they ship with drivers, but they clearly are either placeholder or beta drivers or SOMETHING. Check it out and see for yourself:

    AMD Radeon HD 8870M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

    Just to name a few: Skyrim, Alan Wake, and Battlefield 3 it all run at the level or above the 670m. However, the newer games it benchmarks around the 650m.

    I think this is extremely good news. It's awesome to see it perform at the 670m level on these older games with solid driver support!!!
     
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    Just wait, they haven't received their stock.
     
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    Is there someone here who is waiting for the 8870 NON touch version? Or am I alone??

    Sent from HTC HD2 with Tapatalk
     
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    Every store is different... go to bestbuy.com, find the product and click 'check stores', enter your zipcode and see if any in the area have it.

    I first became aware of it by walking into a best buy and seeing it on display. that evening I went to a different best buy on the way home and they had no idea what it was, so the next day I went back to the original store and they were sold out... it took until last friday for them to get it back in and I nabbed the only one they had. Just about every store in town has it now though.
     
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