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    NP900X3G - Successor to the ATIV Book 9 (not Lite or Plus) with Haswell

    Discussion in 'Samsung' started by abw1987, Dec 1, 2013.

  1. Dannemand

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    Hello Perrype,

    I am away most of the day, so this will be quick response. But I wanted to give you a heads-up before you start.

    0) Do NOT use Microsoft's USB creation tool (assuming it is the original one for Win7): It creates an NTFS formatted USB stick, which is not supported for booting on computers that run UEFI mode (all Win8.x computers). You must install either from DVD or from a FAT32 formatted USB stick. Please see this post for details and alternatives.

    1) Correct, if your computer came with Win8, you can NOT use your embedded Product Key during Win8.1 clean install. The trick is to use a generic (and temporary) Product Key during installation and NOT activate, then enter your Win8 Product Key after completed installation and activate using that. See this article for details.

    2) Correct, don't format the entire SSD, or you will lose your Recovery. Just format the Windows partition and nothing else, and use it as destination in Windows Setup. Also, do NOT use any installation guides that tell you to disable UEFI (switch to CSM mode) as this will force you to convert the SSD to MBR format -- which wipes it completely.

    You need to disable Fast BIOS/Fast Boot in your BIOS settings in order to boot a USB stick (or DVD drive). Depending on your install media, you MAY have to also disable SecureBoot and select OS Mode Selection=UEFI & CSM OS, but only do this if you have to. Change these settings back after completed installation.

    Definitely backup any data you have before starting the installation. Also, as a general precaution, I would recommend creating a backup of your Recovery (so-called bootable Factory Image backup) as described in the first two steps in this post -- particularly since you are going to install Win8.1, which several members have reported damaged Samsung Recovery during a clean install.
     
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  2. Perrype

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    Super detailed and useful. Thank you!!!!!
     
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    I asked about the video, and the only reason I was requesting it was because someone else stated that the fan was loud. According to you though if its silent then it might not be worth it; however, maybe just a video showing us the screen and the form factor would be nice. How does the screen do in different lighting situations? How does it look when playing a movie? etc. If its not too much trouble of course.
     
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    A number of US online shops list the ETA for NP900X3G-S02US as 4/10/2014. So far, Amazon.com does not list NP900X3G-S02US at all. Does anybody have experience with how soon Amazon.com starts selling Samsung Laptops after they become available in the US?
     
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    For the AB9+ (NP940X3G), Amazon USA ran a brief pre-order sale for about about $200 under MSRP (see that model's discussion thread).

    I was hoping Amazon would do the same for this AB9 model, but nothing as of yet. Maybe they still will, but perhaps since Samsung considers this their "business line" and there hasn't even been an official announcement or marketing for it, I wouldn't count on it. At the very minimum, I would at least expect Amazon to carry it at some point.

    Seeing how low these initial stock levels will be, this might be a very limited release however.
     
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    If those listings are correct then the NP900X3G-S01US has an i7 CPU and 256GB SSD but only 4GB RAM while the NP900X3G-S02US has an i5 CPU, 128GB SSD but 8GB RAM.

    If I were shopping for this notebook then I would get the -S02US with the 8GB RAM. The performance difference between the i5 and i7 CPUs isn't noticeable in everyday usage while the SSD can be unofficially upgraded (get the EVO mSATA SSD) while the RAM is soldered and cannot be changed.

    John
     
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    Typo. They both have 8GB. See the pdf at the bottom of the listing. Also 3-year warranties. The question is whether the i7+256GB is worth an extra $300, probably not. I hope this isn't the last AB9 as I really wish they had put mDP in.

    ab9.jpg
     
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    Thanks for the extra research.

    I would probably save the $300 then spend it on a 500GB SSD.

    John
     
  10. Unit Igor

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    You just hope this isn't last AB9 but you dont know how lucky you are for having option to buy AB9 matt screen with haswell ,you cant buy it in my country ,Samsung stops notebook delivery from 01.01.2014.So don't let this small thing like mDP stooping you from buying this notebook.I would rather be concern with built quality for which some owner say its not like Series 9(aluminum).
    One thing more ,i7 model is worth extra 300$ because 256gb drives cost around 170$ if you want to buy it alone + i7 is worth extra 130$.
     
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    I will buy the NP900X3G-S02US as soon as I can. My university is paying for it and there is a hard limit of $1550 (including tax and shipping), so I can't get it from MacMall (unfortunately). I have to wait another week or so, until other sellers have it in stock as well.

    Once I get it, I will put Linux on it and then tell you guys about the notebook. I cannot compare it to any other Samsung notebook though, because I've never had a Samsung notebook before.

    I also found that seller on Amazon, but since it's not Amazon itself that is behind that particular listing, I'm not planning on getting it there (would like to get it from Amazon.com, though, if the price is right).
     
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    Maybe, but if you get the i5 you can upgrade to 500GB EVO for the same price (and have a spare 128GB). Anyway, I'm not buying it before it's less than $1000 anyway.

    I'm sure Amazon prime (and others) will have it within the month. The question is whether the MS store ever will. I doubt it, since it flys in the face of their touch edict.
     
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    Here you go
     
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    The price for that model should be $1,399 if/when Amazon itself is the seller. These few small shops are obviously trying to charge a premium for it since it's so scarce at this point. The i7 model will be $1,699.
     
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    Or maybe they will be conscious that the machine is nominally for business users who prefer the non-glare display and a traditional user interface. I read elsewhere that the new MS boss is trying to get the Windows boat point in the direction where users want to go.

    I recently got a refurb Dell Latitude 10 tablet to play with and trying to use normal Windows programs on a touchscreen is like trying to stir porridge with a feather: It occasionally works. Plus there are the clever bits of design such as a pop-up keyboard that covers the box wanting the text entry. I'd better stop there - I'm going off topic. :eek:

    John
     
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    Does anyone know if these models are aluminum or magnesium? I have seen posts that indicate the magnesium construction is not quite as good as the aluminum. There are fitment issues and the feel is not as good with the magnesium. Not that I, too, am waiting on pricing and availability from reputable on line vendors.

    I have researched many 13.3 ultrabooks and keep coming up with the Samsung as my first choice. I wish there could be a matte touch screen... Trying to use a glossy screen in bright light is nearly impossible. Asus UX31 series with HD and matte screen are the only other models that seem to come close to the Ativ Book. They don't seem to get the reviews that the Samsung Series 9 and Ativ Book get, however.

    8gb and 4th gen processors make the NP900X3G-S01/02US pretty much untouchable in an HD matte screen ultrabook

    :)
     
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    Just wanted to report that, like Ativ Book 9 Plus owners, I face a problem with Settings 2.2.0.11.
    SW Update informed me about the update and I agreed to install it.
    Half way through the setup one is asked to reboot and so I did.
    After the reboot, even though SW Update tells me that Settings has been updated to the latest version, Settings has been removed from my system instead.
    I returned to SW Update and installed 2.2.0.7 which is working fine.
    I do get a notification that there is a more recent version, but for the moment I will stay away from 2.2.0.11.
     
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    I'll cross my fingers, the MS store has great deals. They are finally adding a start menu to W8 in the next update, looks cool. I would upgrade if only Samsung fast start worked in W8! I think this is probably the best 13" business notebook on the market, it'd be a shame if samsung didn't do a broadwell version (with support for 4k external displays).
     
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    I got that part but as the office depot website states this laptop comes with windows 7 and a windows 8 pro coa..so does that mean you can upgrade for free?
     
  23. go45cvi

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    Yep. A lot of businesses haven't transitioned to W8 yet, so they provide both options.
     
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    Hi,
    did anyone try to change the ssd? I'm considering buying the 128 GB version and swap the ssd for a bigger model. Do you think this is possible? What kind of ssd is installed? Msata?
    Thank you for any help!
     
  25. John Ratsey

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    Without going looking for an internal photo, I'm 99.99% sure the SSD is mSATA in which case this thread is relevant.

    Keep the original SSD in case you need warranty service.

    John
     
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    For anyone who gets one of these new models with Win7 pre-installed, it would be interesting (and very useful) to know whether they are installed in classic BIOS mode on MBR-partitioned drives (like original Win7 models) or in UEFI mode on GPT-partitioned drives (like Win8.x models).

    Also, whether they have the new BIOS style with SecureBoot or not. AND which type of Recovery: SRS5 (unlikely) or SRS6 or something new or completely different.

    I imagine the average support costs for Samsung (including warranty and refurbs) have been dramatically higher on models delivered with Win8/UEFI/GPT compared to ones delivered with Win7/BIOS/MBR -- but maybe Microsoft will not allow them to deliver new models the old style, even if they are Win7.

    The answer to this will affect the kind of advice we can give members here. So far the pre-installed version of Windows has been an easy way to know the type of system (UEFI/GPT or BIOS/MBR) and hence the correct advice when members want to upgrade/downgrade/re-install/backup etc.
     
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    Newegg.com has them as well (at pretty good prices): Newegg.com - np900x3g

    Ordered mine (NP900X3G-S02US) today :)
     
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    I wonder if these come with reinstallation media or at least an 8.1 disc?
     
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    Yes, absolutely, that too would be great to know!
     
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    I'll try to answer your questions when I get my notebook :)
     
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    Could you upload some pics and video (with the screen on) as well? I think we are all a little unsure about what exactly the U.S. form factor will be as well as what "anti-glare" exactly means. :)
     
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    I am pretty sure anti-glare refers to the matte finish of the panel. It should be the same well-received 1080p panel on the X3E/X3F. I guess by form factor you mean the magnesium chassis? I don't think this is the first model to employ that either.
     
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    Well the issue is that companies have differentiated between matte and anti-glare, even though colloquially they may mean the same thing to us a company could in, for all intents and purposes, use some legal loophole to give the two words different meanings and therefore different end results. And the magnesium chassis is one aspect, but some users have stated that the np900x3g was marketed as being silver not mineral black ash; however, once they received it, it was the blackish/blue color.

    I'm 90% sure that anti-glare and matte mean the same thing and the color of the laptop will be mineral black ash and it will be made of magnesium, but since it will be rather difficult to find a physical store that will have this unit on display I just wanted to make sure.
     
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    I just got my new 900X3G with a 256 SSD (K01, german version) and core i5. I will check the screen tomorrow in the sunlight and let you guys know how it works out. In case you guys want to know something about the laptop just let me know. I read a couple of things about programs from Samsung being installed. Does it make sense to delete them or is there any other thing you guys would recommend to do regarding software being installed or maybe drivers.

    edit:
    I hope that question is not too silly. Does this mean the 900X3G doesn't support 4k?
    I'm actually replace my old laptop with this one and since the screen isn't the biggest one I'm thinking about buying a 4k screen once the prices are somewhat normal.
     
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    I don't think you need to worry about 4K support. From what I know that tech is far from being available across multiple platforms. Even if you have a laptop that supports 4K technology you will need to wait until every other service supports it as well (e.g. internet provider, netflix, youtube, etc.)
     
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    There may not be much bloatware on what is being sold as a business notebook.

    As a minimum you will need SW Update and Settings but don't uninstall anything until you have checked you can get it through SW Update.

    John
     
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    Oh ok, thank you for the information. I thought 4k is actually close to being used pretty much everywhere. I just saw the following youtube video and saw that there are 3 better quality options than 1080p.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTQvYxELaFI

    Thank you for the information.


    Regarding the notebook. I honestly don't know if it's made out of aluminium or magnesium. Since I never had a new laptop like that I can't really tell you if it is a high quality product or not. I can tell you one thing though. I was placing the laptop on my desk and wanted to try the keyboard and while I was putting my palms on the laptop I noticed that the whole thing is really wobbly. I noticed that one corner of the bottom wasn't really in contact with the desk when I put my palms on the laptop. What I've done now, I softly applied pressure on the opposite corners of the bottom of the laptop and it seems to stand somewhat sturdy on the desk now. I will at it tomorrow again but that kind of annoyed me big time. Maybe magnesium is more flexible than aluminium, I don't know? Or maybe this is due to the small thickness of the laptop?
     
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    Regarding 4k, the micro HDMI port officially only handles up to FHD but some NP940X3G users have reported getting higher resolutions.

    I had the problem of wobbly base with the NP900X4C but fixed it by removing the base and bending that. I suspect that the thin metal base is a production challenge. Nonetheless, this problem should be checked for and fixed before leaving of the factory.

    John
     
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    I believe they were only able to achieve that resolution at 30hz. Perhaps someone will be able to squeeze 4k through a USB3 peripheral as well, but it's not the ideal solution that mDP/TB2 would offer. While 4k content is still trickling in, external 4k displays will become more and more affordable over the usable lifetime of this laptop. I am pretty sure the Inter HD4xxx graphics would not be a limiting factor either (except for gaming).
     
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    ^ Exactly!

    Member kitejumping posted here about getting 4K@30Hz, and member dhm282 posted here about getting 2560x1440@40Hz -- both through micro-HDMI on AB9+. Member feystorm posted here about getting 2560x1440@57Hz on NP900X4C.

    As go45cvi posted, 4K monitors will most likely be common during the usable lifetime of a new laptop like this, and it sucks that we have these limitations with micro-HDMI. The limitation is definitely not with the Intel graphics.
     
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    As many others I was waiting for the Series 9 13" model to come with 8GB Ram. I received my 900x3g yesterday. Beautiful piece. Unfortunately, the display shows extensive bleeding close to the lower becel. Not like some of my previous laptops that were grey instead of black in some regions - no, there is very bright light coming through at some spots. I will therefore return it to the shop. I am not sure if I should get a replacement or refund. Is this a common problem?

    In addition, the keyboard quality is pretty poor. Keys are loud and the space key doesnt sit very tight. I had the impression that the earlier series 9 keyboards where more stiff. What is your impression here?
     
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    Hello, I just got my 900x3g for 970€ on this german webshop: notebookkontor - Bertram Daten- und Netzwerkmanagement GmbH Notebookfachhandel in Aachen und Euregio - student notebook finder laptop aachen umts notebooktasche campusrabatt acer asus sony ibm lenovo toshiba

    It's definitely not a common problem regarding the display bleeding. The screen on the Ativ Book 9 is known to be one of the best on the market with few reports about faults.

    I agree though about the keyboard. I think they feel really squishy and are lacking compared to other Notebook keyboards.
     
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    Thanks for the explanation regarding 4k and also for your tip regarding the wobbly base. For now it seems to work in case it gets wobbly again I will try removing the base.

    I am pretty happy with the laptop so far one thing though. It seems as if the touchpad needs a driver update. Unfortunately I can't scroll using the touchpad which is really annoying. The touchpad works fine overall but scrolling doesn't work at all. Anybody else experiencing the same problem so far?
     
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    Finally I received my NP900X3G, the model with W8.1 Pro was delayed, I switched to the W8.1 model.

    I removed the original mSATA SSD (Model Samsung PM851 Series MZMTE256HMHP-00000 mSATA 256GB SATAIII TLC), remplaced by the Samsung Evo 1TB mSATA.
    I installed Windows 8.1 Pro licence without using the original Samsung licence, everything work fine.

    CONS:
    I do not like so much the keyboard, the touchpad accuracy movement (I removed the original software ELAN, I will try to install the software from Synaptics), battery last less than expected (sometimes I need full power processing and I need to switch the power mode to full performance dual core), LCD back light sensor, the display shows bleeding close to the lower bezel (It's visible when booting).

    PRO:
    Screen Color quality and focus (much better than my old Toshiba), silent, notebook size and weight, speakers

    Overall satisfied.

    I did not find any Samsung sleeve for this model, I finally used the Toshiba Ultrabook sleeve PX1856E-1NCA

    Chris
     
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    I don't know if it's any help now but I bought the "DICOTA Code-Sleeve 13" black" and have to say it seems to fit quite nicely. I guess it could be a little smaller but I'm not even sure about that and I'm really satisfied with it so far.
     
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    Hello all, as i've been busy i just found the time do make a clean installation. I downloaded a program named "Rufus" to make a bootable USB drive. I have to chose one of the following options, among others:

    Partition type:
    1) MBR partition type for BIOS/UEFI machines
    2) MBR partition type for UEFI machines
    3) GPT partition type for UEFI machines

    what should i do? Cheers!!
     
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    I'd say choose (3) since your computer is running UEFI on a GPT disk. What's important is how it formats the USB: It has to be FAT32. So verify that when it is done.
     
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    Thank you. Fun fact: the iso i downloaded it's an "all in one" of all windows 8.1 version (6gb). When i try to make it bootable the kind Rufus tells me something like "it's not possible to make it as fat32 doesn't support more then 4gb", so i have to find another image and download it. What the hell :(
     
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    I got the US version: NP900X3G-S02US.

    It comes with Windows 7 Professional (Service Pack 1) pre-installed, but that seems to be buggy. Every time I log in it says it was logged in with a temporary profile. Well, that's Windows for you. Since I'm not a masochist, I am now installing Linux (Debian) on it and won't be using Windows at all, so I don't care if it's buggy.

    The SSD uses an MBR partition table and has 3 partitions:

    1) boot, 100 MB
    2) main Win7, 102 GB, about 35 GB used
    3) recovery, 16.5 GB

    Secure Boot is turned OFF in the BIOS and the OS mode is set to "CSM OS".

    When I choose the recovery utility (F4) it says "Samsung Recovery Solution 5 [EMS Enabled]".
     
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