If you're in the market, I would just keep my eyes open for a good deal on the current Haswell models. Sure Samsung might update with Broadwell, whenever that drops, or they might not. Regardless, it's doubtful the performance benefit will be worth the premium (at launch) over some of the Haswell deals we have already seen.
I should add that if Samsung finally gets their head out of their @$$ and adds HDMI 2.0/mDP/TB3 in the broadwell refresh, it may well be worth the wait. But that's far from a given.
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Pardon my double-post but it's the downside of my overly verbose writing!
I have an automatic notification when certain models become listed at certain prices and I have just seen what looks like a very attractive refurbished NP940X3G-KO5US on ebay. The listing is: Samsung 13 3" Ativ Book 9 Plus Laptop 8GB 256GB NP940X3G K05US 887276848891 | eBay
I can't vouch for this product or seller***, but as the price is so good - $996, Buy It Now for a top config Ativ 9 Plus - and has a 100% unconditional return/refund policy - it seems like a good one to try if you're in the market. As one who had been shopping these for a month or more, I can state with confidence I saw nothing close to this price. Note: for $235 you can acquire a full ADH warranty from Square Trade. If you saw this notebook selling new for $1.200 (the price for the notebook plus the two year ST wtty, it would still have been an absolute steal, and in this case you are getting double the warranty you would get from Samsung and it would cover ADH, be fully transferrable and even refundable on a prorated basis if you sold it to someone who didn't want to pay for the wtty.
*** Caveat: Upon further inspection I found that while the percentages are not that high, the number of negative ratings for this seller are extremely high and by the sound of them, this seller has appeared entirely callous to its dissatisfied customers. It tries to mitigate the comments by stating their apologies and commitment to get right in touch with the customer (a "form" response!) but these are certainly red flags. (Note: to read the comments - positive and negative - about this merchant you would think that all they sold were Microsoft Surface tablets - at least in the past 3 months!)
Once again, since eBay backs the 30 day 100% return/refund guarantee (you pay only return shipping) and you can get a Square Trade warranty, it may be that you can mitigate any risk from this transaction. Also, bear in mind that 98.8% of many thousands of customers in the past year give positive reviews. If the unit is in excellent - barely used - condition as stated in the listing, given Samsung's extremely high production quality control - this really could be the steal of the season for this product. But it's not for the feint of heart!
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But that's far from conclusive proof of anything.
Everyone is behaving as though it's all done and dusted, you see people saying in other threads that 'Samsung have announced they're discontinuing laptop production' and other similar comments.
The truth of the matter however is that nothing is confirmed, there has been no official statement from Samsung on the matter and until there is, rumours of their demise are rather premature.
On the subject of the ATIV Q, the Windows-Android hybrid, it was MS who killed it with threats relating to licence rebates. Google had nothing against it, it had full Google Play certification.
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I'm with you. I'd hate to see the book 9 go. But lets face it, its a low volume device that has extremely high BQ standards and is obviously difficult and expensive to build. Look at the tolerances.. I've read to many thousands of a mm built in. Sand blasting the dura aluminum to a smooth finish before baking on the high end paint. Notice how it rests on a table.. perfectly. How the lid closes. It must cost allot to manufacture this and I doubt Samsung ever made any money on it. It is simply a show case to show Apple that they can be out done. But Apple makes a ton on each device so I think Samsung lost that war. When you add in the fact that they spent a ton on R and D with the plus version only to see their sales plunder, you have to feel what is next in store. I too hope this is not true, but the reality of whats happened cannot be ignored. As a business their notebooks probably were losing money before and now their losses are mounting ever higher. Its not like they cannot re enter the market later. They had very little presence in the market as it were. And that presence is shrinking. Nothing in this climate gives me hope that this is not going to happen. And when you look at the financials, the only plausible option is to gut the notebook division and concentrate those resources on areas of high volumes and growth.
Pure speculation, but I feel that MS's or who ever put a stop to the ATIV Q was the final blow. I strongly feel that Samsung execs wanted out of anything to do with MS and windows 8. Even the new CEO Satya Nadella's comment this week that mobile and the cloud are the future of MS. I mean what is he smoking? Mobile? Windows phone is a disaster. Its on the bottom fighting with blackberry for fourth place with non existent market share. In North America, that market share is really dismal. A wee better in the Europe which says very little. If they make windows a subscription model I can tell you they will have a fire sale the following year. Office 365 subscription makes more sense but its too complicated and there are so many confusing tiers of it. It should be simplified. They have allot of pissed off customers wondering why their version does not have certain feature sets. There should only be one version period and one price. That will haunt them you better believe it.
Anyone thinking of buying a book 9 plus but feel its too expensive should go ahead and buy it. If it were an Apple product i would say yes, its over priced. Margins are too high and the customer gets ripped off. But in the case of the 9, I don't think Samsung gets much if any profit margin on it. They are practically paying you to have the best made PC ultrabook. And once its gone, there is nothing I see like it. I could care less about the rest of Samsung's notebook line. Nothing really unique about them. But the book 9 is and always has been in a class of its own. If you think they will update it I would not hold your breath.go45cvi likes this. -
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We can hope they will keep the Book 9s in production. It's not as if they would need to re-engineer the chassis (although swapping the mini-VGA port for a mini DisplayPort would be much appreciated).
However, Samsung might see things differently.
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If we hear nothing at CES 2015 from Samsung about Broadwell laptops, should we assume they already pulled the plug on Windows and will only continue with Chromebooks?
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I have rummaged through the SW Update database for any clues: For Korea I can see NT900X3K and NT940X3K but nothing in the 15" size. USA also has a couple of versions of the NT940X3K listed. One can reasonable assume that the 'K' suffix will contain the Broadwell platform but, with the rest of the numbering being the same then it is likely that the previous chassis is being re-used.
A search for 940X3K revealed that a small batch of this notebook and the NT900X3K were shipped from South Korea to Bangalore on 4th December (copy of web page saved as PDF View attachment Import laptop under HS Code 84713010 _ Zauba.pdf ). I wonder if they were for either software development or support staff familiarisation. They are unlikely to be for sale - India didn't get any of the Haswell Book 9s. The listing also includes an NT930X2K which isn't in the SW Update database. I can't find any K suffixes for the other notebook ranges such as the Book 8.
Given that other manufacturers have Broadwell notebooks waiting to ship once they get enough chips from Intel it appears that Samsung are not agressively adopting the new platform. The good news is that they are not completely ignoring it. It's possible that they are biding their time until Windows 10 is ready.
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I just hope there's Windows 10 drivers will be available for the Samsung laptops if Win 10 is all that it should be.
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It is encouraging to see that Samsung seems to be keeping the AB/AB9+ series alive, even if only with a limited release.
As has been pointed out, I think it is feasible to expect that Samsung are rethinking their strategy in light of recent changes in the smartphone, tablet and laptop markets. The assumption by many industry "experts" that tablets would quickly overtake laptops and spell the demise of PCs, was obviously premature and not fully thought through. (Please don't take this as flamebait, my viewpoints on this are nuanced, and I agree with arguments from both sides.)
I have often speculated (though with no evidence to back it up) that Samsung must have found Win8.x computers very costly to support: Lots of returns and motherboard replacements and hour-long support calls from users caught in UEFI traps; Win8.1 breaking backwards compatibility and forcing an expensive driver update cycle only a year after Win8. I think they wanted to tell Microsoft enough is enough, which influenced their decision to discontinue Windows laptops and stick to Chromebooks. It was a message to Microsoft as much as a market decision.
If they are now able to re-think the combined opportunities in the laptop, tablet and smartphone markets, I could see them come back to laptops. As mentioned, Skylake/Win10 might be a fitting cycle for this to happen.
Outside of components (which I expect will remain their core) I think Samsung's biggest opportunity is if they can focus on their true strengths in hardware design and manufacturing, as particularly evident in Series 9/AB9, and apply that to phones and tablets as well.
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I am super happy that new NT940X3K are coming out!
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I was pretty happy with my gamer 7 except for the size and weight. Is too bad the mxm card wasn't standard size with onboard vbios it would have great longevity.
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As far as statements that Windows 8.x will not effect OEM's, my guess here is that point has been made. I would love to see Windows 10 as a success for both the consumers and OEM's benefits. Their first volley with the changes to the UI were promising but the lack of progress is disappointing. We can only hope though.Last edited: Dec 22, 2014 -
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Keep watching. It appears that at least one US retailer temporarility posted some details of the new model.
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If there is a refresh, hopefully they finally add displayport to the AB9 line. With 4K monitors getting more and more affordable, mhdmi and mvga just don't cut it. USB3.1 would be best.
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John, you are right. $1700 gets you a fully loaded NP940X3K-K02US.
NEW RELEASE
Samsung ATIV Book 9 Plus 13.3" Quad HD Touchscreen Ultrabook, Intel Core i7-5500U, Intel HD Graphics 5500, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, Windows 8.1 - Mineral Ash Black
SKU: SSGNP9K02US MFR: NP940X3K-K02US
Time to save money for broadwell!
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I would expect these new products to be on display at CES which starts on 6th January we should then find out if there are any other significant hardware changes.Considering that resellers are starting to list some of these new models we can expect them to be on sale within a few weeks. I will also be interested to see of they show anything else at CES (particularly Book 8 and 15" Book 9).
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Note to all: In view of Samsung listing a few Broadwell notebooks (NT930X2K, NT900X3K and NT940X3K at the moment) I have decided to adjust the wording of the title of this thread.
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What is Samsung's marketing strategy for getting into (or gaining better traction in) the laptop market?
I bought my 15.6" ATIV Book 9 2014 after seeing it at the Microsoft store in Scottsdale, AZ. It seemed the perfect competitor to the MacBook Air. I rarely buy technology like this on impulse, but everything about it seemed great and I bought what was the most expensive laptop in the store (I'm an IT guy and have always used workhorse Dell Latitudes).
I have since been to numerous 'Fry's Electronics' stores and 'Best Buy' stores and haven't seen any of the ATIV Book 9 line, and barely any Samsung laptops at all. Until I found this forum this week, I've found virtually zero online discussions for the device in the past 6 months, and felt like I was totally alone dealing with various issues (mainly trackpad issues). Samsung support has been useless.
The ATIV Book 9's are, from a design perspective, very 'high end' and match the MacBook Air in so many ways. I bought the MacBook Air last year, thinking it may become my daily laptop, but I could never get the display to scale appropriately (my eyesight is not great, so these retina displays are counter-productive for me unless the apps support quality scaling). The Book 9 2014 with 15.6" display, coupled with the workable 'scaling' features in windows 8.1, give it a great chance in the market, but I don't see any effort to sell the darn thing. I went back to the Microsoft Store in Scottsdale, AZ and they no longer have any Samsung devices on display, so at this point, I don't know of any retail location that actually sells the Ativ Book 9 line. Given it's high price, you really need to 'touch' it to appreciate why it's worth it.
Without a 'critical mass' of users in the market, and coupled with a rather limited approach software updates, I'm just not convinced they can remain competitive in the space, especially since the end-user world is flocking to smartphones, tablets, and 'convertibles'.
I'd love for my next computer to be a Samsung with similar features, but I'm just not convinced they can get the market share unless they get shelf-space in the 'Best Buys' of the world. Are they big in Europe, or elsewhere in the world? Mine is obviously a US-centric view of the market. -
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Samsung have been making notebooks for at least 9 years (the oldest posts in this forum are February 2005) but only entered the US market relatively recently due to an agreement made with Dell who had rebadged the Samsung X20 as the Dell Latitude X1. Samsung's most notable early notebooks where the X series which are the precursors of the current Series / Book 9s (see here for my first one).
A few years ago Samsung announced that they they needed to ship >10 million notebooks per year to be competitive and both started selling in the USA and increasing their product range. They were also one of the leading producers of netbooks while those products were popular.
However, almost a year ago they changed direction having realised that the notebook market was shrinking (encroachment by tablets etc, longer period between replacements and potential purchasers put off by Windows 8 (which also caused Samsung a lot of support headaches)). In Q2 2014 they decided to stop selling notebooks in Europe. Models (such as the UK version of the NP930X5J) which were listed in their system failed to arrive and stocks of other notebooks were not replenished and we thought that there wouldn't be any new Samsung notebooks.
Samsung have excellent hardware skills but have always been weak on the software. Their best long term solution would be to sell their premium notebook range (and forget the rest) to another manufacturer who have the requisite software skills.
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All I have to say is I love my 13.3" Samsung Notebook so far. Worlds better than the Sony Vaio Pro it replaced, even though similarly spec'ed it's far and away better construction and performance.
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Something else to watch out for: NP905S3K / NT905S3K which are listed in SW Update for China and Korea respectively.
The numbering suggests an update of the AMD-powered Book 9 Lite. Sensibly they will also give it a better quality display and an attractive price and then it could deserve more attention. There's no trace of the trouchscreen equivalent (with 915 in the number).
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Windows 8 / 8.1 has certainly been a killer for the whole laptop concept also. There is not one business I know that is buying laptops with windows 8.1; everyone is still ordering Windows 7, even though Win 7 goes off mainstream support in a few weeks (just how is that going to play out - Dell are still aggressively pushing laptops with Windows 7!). I know it's only the end of 'mainstream' support, and not 'extended' support, but still - looks bad when you can buy something no longer officially 'mainstream'. This article linked to on that Forbes article does articulate what is wrong with windows 8 and what needs to be done in windows 9/10.
I personally think the whole tablet concept is overblown, but time will tell. You want a tablet but you need a keyboard to type, so you add one; you then need a way to hold the tablet upright at an angle, so you get a 'stand' ... at which point, why not just get a laptop which addresses these needs in one package. I'm also not excited about having a touch-screen on my laptop; more often than not, I'm working with others and they reach out and touch my screen, causing things to happen accidentally! I can do everything I need with the touchpad so why bother; it adds weight and 'requires' a super-shiny reflective coating, which diminishes visibility.
My biggest challenge is, I support businesses who want advice for what to buy for their employees and it's such a messed-up market right now, I'm at a loss as to what to tell them. I'm defaulting to relatively cheap windows 7 Dell laptops. In fact, after years of insisting on Latitudes, I got my first Dell Inspiron 5000 and - for about $650 - I got a 15.6" display in a thin package, NO touchscreen (which to me is an advantage, having used one for 6 months), no optical (useless weight), etc. I may swap in an SSD to make it lighter and more reliable, but it's a hell of a package for the price, and from a mainstream vendor. I keep showing them my Samsung ATIV, but they just don't want to pay that price. -
A Korean store lists both new Broadwell 13 inchers:
NT940X3K | innomart.co.kr
NT900X3K | innomart.co.kr
Classic version now with QHD+ screen too.
I'm not too sure about the pictures. The AB9+ actually looks like the 15.6" Ativ Book, and the AB9 Classic comes with a silver finish now!?
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I wonder if the classic NT900X3K QHD+ is matte. I hope so!
Samsung to reduce production of Laptop PCs (Ativ Books) by 2015
Discussion in 'Samsung' started by oled, Feb 11, 2014.