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Well, on that count... from what I've learned from Samsung themselves, it was never an issue with Exynos yields. It was AMOLED yields. They have consistently been able to meet demand for SoC's.

Also, Samsung will supply SoC's to anyone who wants to buy them. Case in point: Meizu. The current Meizu uses the 1.4GHz 4210. The next gen Meizu will use the 4412.

Because it's not that simple. They're not able to meet demand because the yield is so low, which gets expensive quick. Qualcomm's transition to this new process is proving to be VERY costly. Demand may outstrip supply, and that's sometimes a good thing... but in the mobile world if demand can't be met, there are competitors that can and WILL fill in the gaps with equally competent alternatives.

On the TDP point... the A15 hard macro numbers don't factor in the GPU since that's up to the SoC designers. Also, comparing the power consumption of T3 and 5450 isn't feasible. 5450 has several times more GPU power, more than double the bus bandwidth, memory likely won't be PoP with A15 tablets, etc... there are several more factors that drive TDP up.

 

So how come with the Galaxy S2 there were versions with different SoCs?

I know Meizu use them but it hardly compares to the list of companies that use Qualcomm's chips - which is basically everyone.

I wondered if you would say that and I have a counter-argument: LTE.

If HTC, LG or even Samsung themselves want a decently-specced handset with LTE, who else but Qualcomm do they have to choose from?
Sure, the OMAP 4 chips have appeared in some LTE handsets but they're not exactly the latest and greatest and OMAP 5 is yet to hit the market. We already know Tegra3 doesn't support it, the Exynos 4 Quad doesn't ( meaning that any LTE variants of the Galaxy S3 will most likely require Samsung to once again shop around - well, I say shop around, I mean buy from Qualcomm).

Qualcomm have basically cornered one of the most lucrative segments of the smartphone market, a segment that's only liable to grow and grow as more and more networks support LTE and who else is there to challenge them?

 

Different carrier/customer requests. The customer is secondary... it's what the carrier requests that is the final determining factor. Qualcomm radios work OOB with Qualcomm SoC's. Nothing additional to do, nothing additional to configure and no additional software engineering required. It's MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to implement Qualcomm designs than any other SoC/Baseband design ATM, but while they maybe the easiest to implement... they're not the best solution. They're just cheaper.

Again... cost. Meizu is probably going with Exynos because they don't have to even think about LTE for a few more years. China isn't building out LTE for a while.

Your argument is exactly the reason that NEC/Samsung/NTTDoCoMo/Softbank are in a joint partnership to develop an easy to implement/cheap LTE baseband. Qualcomm is enjoying the market for the moment, but wait until there are alternatives to the Qualcomm MDM basebands. I can't speak for any other OEM, but Samsung is looking for vertical integration of all their hardware. When they have their own LTE baseband solution they'll kick Qualcomm to the curb. Heck, even Intel is developing a cellular LTE baseband for their Infineon/X-Gold portfolio (which is a MAJOR Qualcomm competitor). All the Samsung phones that shipped last year that didn't have Qualcomm SoC's featured Intel X-Gold basebands.

 

No they're not.

Yes - but when?
I'm not arguing in favour of Qualcomm, I'm arguing that Samsung should be further ahead than they are now.

 

Well, that's interesting. I didn't know that. At this point then I'm guessing Samsung is in talks with Intel for the XMM7160. If they want to continue to use Exynos SoC's they need to spend the money and go ahead and integrate a baseband. Barring Qualcomm's MDM, the XMM7160 is just about their only choice.

As soon as financially feasible.

 

US-bound Galaxy S III to use Qualcomm processor instead of Samsung's quad-core chip? | The Verge

Not going to buy unless it's also sporting the Adreno 320... which it better be if this is true.

 

Of course it's going to be true - they don't have an SoC of their own that can handle LTE and as I mentioned already, there's basically no-one else to choose from other than Qualcomm.

And there's no way they're not releasing an LTE version of the handset to go up against the One XL.

 

Makes me wonder how many SoCs Qualcomm can actually ship with the 28nm yield situation at TSMC...

 

I'm still waiting for hard confirmation before I write the GS3 off. I may just import one like I did with the GS2.

When there's confirmation that the GS3 will be shipping with Qualcomm S4 (not "pro"), it's completely off the table for me.

IKR?! Their yields haven't been that good... like, at all. I'm surprised they've been keeping up with what they've got going. The AT&T OneX is going to hit hard and heavy, and it's going to put someone in a bind... One of these OEM's isn't going to have the SoC's they need when they need them.

 

I wonder why?

 

LOL. That's my next dev phone.

The GS3 would be a personal device.

 

But there'd be no point buying the same phone over again...

 

That's what I know. The only differentiator is the screen technology, and even that's moot since the One X has one of the best LCD's ever in mobile device.

 

Yeah, I have no idea why I started that with a 'but'...

 

LMAO.

10char

 

Just curious as to what your speeds are. Ran a few tests and here are mine. I was bored.

Samsung Captivate connected to my home wifi.


Not connected to Wifi



Mobile is all over the place. I've seen download speeds from 1000kbps - 3700kbps and upload speedsfrom 1000kbps to 1200kbps as well. Ping as low as 165 and as high as 530.

 

FLX Phone - "2 Chainz Phone"

 

Not that 'fresh'.


In unrelated news I flashed AOKP m5 yesterday and it just does not feel as solid as AOKP m4.
I'm sure I'm having network data issues that I wasn't before.

 

Young Jeezy has one? I'm gettin one fo so. You don't now bout it!

 

Simultaneously exciting, but not...

User Agent Profile Shows Verizon’s Samsung Galaxy S III With Qualcomm S4 Processor

 

Having a strange issue with my SGH-i777 I seem to be unable to connect to my computer with both the USB utilities and through the USB debugging mode and I can't find a solution on google. any advice?

 

If you can put your phone in download mode and connect it to your computer, does it show up in Windows Device Manager? If so, it's not the connector. If you can't get it to show up at all, it could be the USB connector on the phone, the cable itself or the USB port on the computer.

Try moving around to different USB ports... or try another cable.

 

It was/is inevitable.

 

Adding to what HAL said, do you have the Samsung USB drivers up to date?

 

How do you find M5 overall? What issues are you experiencing exactly? I flashed from M3 to M5 earlier today. Will test it out tomorrow at work.

 

I may have spoken too soon.

Initially, when setting everything back up and re-downloading apps, the data connection seemed flaky - things didn't seem inclined to download on the first attempt.
But today, I used the wi-fi hotspot for about 3 hours with zero issues.

On the whole, it's been fine. The biggest problems I've had have been of my own doing ( freezing/crashing due to my attempts to under-volt the SoC).


edit: also, the Galaxy nexus has had connection issues with 4.0.4 I believe.

 

Applied for the Recognized Contributor title in XDA... Hopefully I'm a pass!

 

I figured out that it was my cable. I was able to connect fine with another one. I just upgraded myself to ICS with SHOstock2. Looking good.

 

I'm looking at the Samsung Blaze 4G, any thoughts?

 

Who did you PM about it?

 

Uhh.. what is going on with my CWM?? I updated it to the newest version (not touch), tried to install a ROM and it's giving me a 3D Android with a spinning icosahedron... don't see any progress bar or text showing me the install. Any suggestions of what to do?

edit - nevermind - just canceled it by pressing the power button lol.

 

Chainfire, but got no word from him.

Today I PM'd another mod which knows me better and hangs in the Mafia thread, so we get along well, M_T_M's his name. He's busy now, he'll reply to my PM later/tomorrow.

Speaking of tomorrow... Everyone download Samsung Unpacked, and tune in at 7PM GMT+1 (London Time) to see the unveil of the new Galaxy in the livestream

 

Ah yeah

 

It's really weird. With CWM, at least on my VZW Gnex, I found that if you let the cursor return to the top then back to the bottom (by reaching the end/beginning of the list and letting it wrap around) several times, you'll get something that says "Back button disabled" or something of the sort, and then when you hit the power button, all it does is make all the text and menus disappear, then hitting the power button again makes them come back. Redoing the whole thing with the menu wrap around makes the menu and text reappear, and "Back button enabled" will show. Not sure what the purpose of this is.

 

Good luck. That's not a title they hand out that often. Especially in recent years. Heck, on RootzWiki you have to prove you know how to code by submitting samples or proving you wrote an app or contributed code to an open-source project.

Nice! I knew it shouldn't really be your connector, unless you're just really super rough. mUSB is a fairly resilient standard.

 

I've heard it doesn't live up to the hype. One of the mods at xda said that. Couldn't get specific though because of NDAs. I'm guessing its because once again, the USA versions won't get exynos.

Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

 

Just curious (those of you with the galaxy s2) which ROM you guys are using. the one I'm on (SHOstock2) is nice, but I would judt like to know what you guys recommend.

 

Thanks! Well, I've read, and it pretty much requires you to have a very good guide(s), be friendly, helpful, and always there to answer the questions. My guide has been viewed 52k times and was referenced quite heavily in the GSII forum, so I think it was quite a successful & good guide...

Plus, it doesn't require a code sample, because when I sent the PM to M_T_M asking how to apply, he said that the PM was already an application!

Yep... It'll use the S4 and dualcore... But it's gonna have a hellofa performance... It's right after the Tegra 3!

SHOstock reminds me of Shostakovich

The best ROM is CM9... Definitely the one I recommend the most. Stable, fast and very efficient!

 

Actually, what I've seen so far on average has been S4 clearly ousting Tegra 3 in almost every benchmark. Java execution performance is almost double, single threaded performance is more than double in most cases, and about the only place they meet up is the GPU. The Adreno 225 still has the edge over T3 because there's no background texture compression.

Matter of fact, the only place where I've seen it losing to Tegra 3 is in NAND write performance. Tegra 3 has almost 2.5x the NAND write performance of S4. Now, IDK if that's a bug in HTC's kernel source or if the NAND is actually that slow... but if Samsung does indeed use S4 for the US bound models, expect them to use their OWN NAND, which is FAST.

 

I think you're mixing up RD and RC.
And they've handed RD out so many times that they've now introduced an 'Elite Recognised Developer' title as well.

 

CM9 doesn't play nicely with the capacitive buttons on the American At&T version. Only two of them work. and that kind of bothers me.


EDIT: I found the i777 version of CM9. happy now.

 

Did you flash it? How's your experience?

An update regarding the RC title. MTM sent me a PM asking links for my work & qualifications and why I should be entitled. Now eagerly waiting for his almighty response

 

Soo... any thoughts on the S3?

4.8"!!! Gonna make the iPhone5 look small.

Strange they kept Pentile... and I was hoping they would go with a higher res than 720p... but then again, I'm a Pixel Densitist.

 

Honestly, I don't understand all the hate towards the GSIII. It's damn good...

Form factor is quite awesome, touchwiz improved with a light "nature" touch, blazing fast... I'm confused

But honestly, now, I'm thinking of waiting for the next Nexus... The GSII is still the king of dual cores after the One S, so it should do the trick until around October.

 

HTC One X... better screen.

And that's about all that matters in the US market. Though I'll probably be importing an Exynos model.

 

Yes, I agree with that, but the main hate is regarding the shape. And I say : WHY?!

Why wasn't there the same of rage vs the Galaxy Nexus? The GN also is Pentile...

HAL, you'll LOVE this

 

Nothing I haven't already said.

 

I think there were people who didn't like the Pentile on the GNex... which is why some still recommend the S2 even though it had lower resolution.

I think I may just go with the GNex now, then maybe add the iPhone5 later... not sure the S3 is worth the wait... "Summer" could be August or September.

 

The thing is that even though the Pentile arrangement Samsung uses is the best, and their 720p HD S-AMOLED panels are awesome... the panel used in the One X is CLEARLY superior. They optically bonded the panel to the front glass on the One X so there's no air gap, and it's a 720p IPS LCD panel. All I can say is HTC did their homework with this panel.

Let me be clear... Pentile has never bothered me personally, but for some people it's Armageddon.

Personally, I'm waiting to see how this new power gating tech works on Exynos 4412. When power gating cores, it takes time to bring them out of sleep. Unless they've done some serious work, it could mean stutters. Especially since A9 was never meant to be configured this way.

 

Well i have had 4 galaxy s2, I have had an htc one x and i have had a galaxy note.

The build quality on the Samsung`s is better than the htx one x, it`s screen is not attached to the body correctly it creaks and moves when pressed and the colours go crazy, I prefer the htc one x screen quality apart from the yellow spots, not a big fan of oled technology.

The Galaxy Note was my favorite, but i returned it as their is a problem with the video playback and other screen issues, a dame shame.

John.