Heads up. Apple are looking at your photos.

So, Apple is looking at all your photos trying to find child abuse images. NOT COOL. What if a new parent has
"baby's first bath" pictures etc. Next thing cops are knocking at their door. Ridiculous.

Apple Introducing New Child Safety Features, Including Scanning Users' Photo Libraries for Known Sexual Abuse Material - MacRumors

 

Yeah, this really goes into "WTH Apple" category...

 

Agreed, this and many others. My wife's phone started downloading all imessages to icloud yesterday and I had it all turned off in her and my phone. So, those settings are meaningless. Apple is the "privacy" company all right. What a load of bull.

FYI, they have been doing this for over a year, I found an RT news video on this subject from 2019. They just sort of made it public now. Typical apple slime. Out the door with all our apple devices. Privacy my ass. what a joke.

 

Apple stands by "Privacy" and at the same time user privacy is on "Standby" for their data collection.

 

This is miles worse that data collection. This is prying into your private life. I don't care about data collection etc. I care about Apple policing individuals via reading and look at every imessage and photo that goes through your phone. This is an entirely different ball of wax. Next up, what if someone posts something political apple does not agree with? etc. They fought to keep the "data" of numerous gunmen private from the authorities because privacy, Now they are looking at every photo you take and every message you send because they state it's for safety. NOPE. EFF apple. I sold another apple device today. Only 3 left now and they are hitting the road next week!

 

Major reactions > https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/oznq5n/apple_rolling_out_a_mass_surveillance_to_the/

 

Taken from Reddit.

" This just proves what was already obvious. Their pro privacy stance was just a ploy for good PR. They never believed in it, they just needed to pretend to consumers that they were the good guys, especially while they're going to court repeatedly to remove our right to repair. "

 

Reddit:
"This will allow Apple to get into new emerging markets. This technology will allow authoritarian governments to be better at what they do."

 

Yep, nothing different than Microsoft banning of user’s accounts for the same. Be sure you have backups of all your data in another place than the cloud.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nd-announcements.826887/page-77#post-11053963

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nd-announcements.826887/page-60#post-11032848

 

This isn't a new concept by any means.

I swore off crApple a long time ago just because of how they operate.

As to the skimming of user data....think NSA / FBI / CIA / etc.

Remember the Snowden leaks? Assange? and the list goes on.

Google skims your info as well as any other tech company. If you don't want it seen then don't post it whether by e-mail / SMS / social media / online storage.

 

Is it a good enough reason to ditch an iPhone and go back to android?

 

Run away from plague to get cholera?

 

An astounding YES.

 

Which is it?

 

Huh?

 

The difference between apple and google now is Apple will read every message, and look at every picture you take....google will look at what websites you visit, and your location and direct advertising. Or, if the authorities ask, who was in this location, they will tell them. You can turn off the prying into your personal private life. Apple, will make you think you can, but they are behind the scenes all the time. Have always been. They are a marketing team first. Whatever they will tell you to make you buy their garbage they will put it out there.

The devil you know is much better than the one you DON'T!

 

Doesn't matter if you're backing up your data to your Google Account/any Cloud backup services. Same all places. Nothing like this is safe.

 

Why do you think Google doesn't read every message (e. g. Gmail) for ad purposes?

 

They don't read your TEXT messages or Look at every photo you take on your phone. With android you can track that stuff. On ios NO DICE.

 

Back to my statement before.

If you don't want TECH reading / viewing your personal stuff then don't share it anywhere. "share" being used lightly as backup's to online destinations can also be probed whether they disclose it or not since it resides on their hardware. The ability to scan / find matching content of course is built into their systems. They make money on "content" by selling the metadata or using the metadata to target you for whatever product is being sold.

The issue here in this thread though is that Apple is actively scanning personal devices for content that is objectionable. The "call home" feature built into these devices provides them with the ability to locate the device when connected online for more normal things like providing OS updates / patches but, also since it's a captive system allows entry into the device. Your "I Tunes" software links the device to your UID to track who owns which device easier.

Android while slightly less intrusive links to your google ID when you first activate the device but, post activation you can remove this link by deleting the account from it. OS updates are provided by each OEM independently and/or can be downloaded from their website or another site and applied offline if needed. Or they can be ditched all together with ROM's / rooting for even more stealth ability.

If you have sensitive info to pass to someone SMS isn't the best option as that's all recorded / retained through call records.

Any info / data "sent" from a device is logged somewhere no matter the provider / MFG. Some are more transparent about it and other bury it in the EULA / TOS for the service / device. If you're going to be paranoid about data then the best option is to be off-grid. If you're willing to take counter measures to limit your exposure then the next best options are using a VPN at all times on all devices. There are stand alone apps you can use for transmitting data outside of what's baked into the device as well. When you get into these realms though you start finding odd instances here GOVT agencies are selling cracked devices with embedded software to monitor information with a backdoor into them already present. -- https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/how-the-fbi-weaponized-android-modding-with-anom-devices/

While these phones weren't targeted for "public" release they're ending up on the market to be resold. Other issues you might have noticed are the deployment of software i.e. Paragon that bypasses encryption on some apps. or overlays like Prism that allow broad access to social media activity.

Basically if it has an IP address it can be monitored.

 

How do you know that?
How can I track Google's access to my data on Android? They don't give users exclusive offline private keys to the data, so they can access it freely in practice.

 

Linage OS. DONE! CALYX OS....DONE!.

There. Google does not touch MY stuff.

 

Nice, probably not an option for the majority of users though, and assumes no Google services are used following installation of said OSes.

The point, though, is that once G-man gets hold of your data, it would be rather naive to hope they won't take a little (and more likely very deep) look

 

Yep, Linux and some cloud backups/own cloud NAS also help if you trash Microsoft in same way. But it won’t help the gamers getting max out their gaming setups. Not so sure you’ll get games from Microsoft Store if you go outside their Hw/OS requirements.

 

Actually on calyx you can use some google services and still be protected. I don't care about the vast majority of users. I care about my devices. Apple can get bent.

 

What next? Open source isn’t Google OS.

“Although we know that the benefit of open-source code is that there will no hidden trackers or spyware hiding among the code, it is still questionable whether users can trust their personal data in the hands of Google”

Maybe I have missed something. Where’s the Apple vs Apple comparison?

Nothing more different than my NAS vs the big’s Cloud backups.

 

and the fact they are fighting child porn and child abuse is appauling to you? we all have to make sacrifices!!!


unless you are against fighting it


@killkenny1 I know you were being sarcastic they didn't see it but what are your thoughts on fighting child porn is do nothing a better option.//


i might actually leave this thread as I almost vomited after reading killkenney's comments...disgusting as papusan would say....and also I don't know if you know this Iv'e posted it a few times but I used to be a hacker and in my younger years 2002-2005 I knew nothing is secret....they literally have access to everything whether they tell you or not.....resources sure they might not have enough but in the end if they want you your done.....OC is the mosquito that never lands..

this is common knowledge read this grabbed from google

There is no such thing as a 100 percent safe computer network, internet browser, email provider, encryption service, data backup service or cloud provider or mobile operating system. Even The Onion Router (TOR), the often cited private web browsing framework, can and has been hacked allegedly by government agents.



and you wonder why i quit in 2005!!!


they hire even better hackers to ward off attacks namely the cia and fbi or to the well educated the four eyes.

 

If you're using something off the shelf you have other worries to deal with. For instance the whole WD remote wipe issue that has come up recently. While it doesn't seem wide spread among vendors they all have security flaws to be dealt with. Much better off building your own system than relying on tech companies for the masses.

 

exactly!! well said

 

Should my takeaway is: it doesn't matter between IOS and Android?

 

Yeah idk if you were/are an apple user seems like you've been way too naive or ignorant up to now, they're only just telling you about ONE of the crappy things they do now, probably because some leak? Idk I don't follow Apple news. I mean these devices are great and all but it's all wide open to the PTB imo, has been from the beginning just less I guess, like no fingerprints/face id(that we know of anyways) etc
Of course this is just blanket spying with the flimsly excuse that a percentage of people are doing disgusting illegal stuff where the phone is able to collect data. Scanning photos is creepy but I doubt photos aren't scanned all the time with AI for all sorts of spying purposes by the PTB. Google is arguably worse because of their search engine and other major services like maps etc data gathering. And I think even microsd card stuff is scanned too not just cloud. The big thing is that Android can be customized and modified say via LineageOS and others that can give you even more control, Apple is a centralized closed system.

 

I should have worded my post better. Of course own setup. But nothing connected to internet. People that put all trust on the (big) companies is blind. Even Open sources isn’t 100% secure.

 

Speaking of which.... add BlackBerry to the list.

Even more so as all traffic passes through them.

 

Only 100% would be air gapped equipment.

Hardening of an OS can bring down the risks to a more acceptable level but, there's always the off chance someone will be able to get into it.

 

Actually, how do you know you can trust Calyx or Linage? Is either Open Source? Genuine question, haven't had the time to research either, given that I just learned about them

 

@ etern4l

You can take pretty much any *nix "image" and customize it to your needs. I can take an Ubuntu image and pull it apart and put into it what I need / want based on the packages you can install. If I don't like the default items it "ships" with then just remove / replace them as needed. The names of different "flavors" are just that. Digging deeper you can go in a couple of different directions. Ubuntu is debian based for instance which packages are *.deb.

For phones Android is *nix as well.

MacOs is *nix based as well but closed to in house only updates.

 

Calyx OS - The next big Android Competitor!? - YouTube

This explains calyx.

 

My complaints have nothing to do with fighting CSAM. My complaint is to do with Apple prying into my private life and reading everything that is on my phone, looking at every picture I take.

So you are OK with someone coming into your home without your knowledge of when they are coming in, and going through every personal belonging of yours? If you say yes, you are either lying, or an apple shill.

 

Everyone here knows I am NOT a Louis Rossman fan, AT ALL. But he's nailing this issue!

 

I was hoping for a more concise summary than a 12 min video but thanks anyway. Curiously, there is no English wikipedia entry. Hope the video answers the very simple trust question.

 

Yes, but the amount of work needed would in most cases be prohibitive prior to late retirement.

 

im not going to argue because we all have reasons for what we say.....but hasn't the gov been watching all along?

 

they dont have the resources or man power to go through everyones messages...ridiculus assumptions...billions and billions of messages read by thousands would take decades to analyse so relax....its not possible and if its ai you have nothing to worry about..

 

How many texts do people send?
4. Americans send roughly 26,033,333,333 (26 billion) text messages every day. (Statistic Brain)

5. Americans send roughly 182,233,333,333 (182.2 billion) text messages every week. (Statistic Brain)

6. Americans send roughly 781,000,000,000 (781 billion) text messages every month. (Statistic Brain)

7. Americans send roughly 9,372,000,000,000 (9.4 trillion) text messages every year. (Statistic Brain)


oh for sure you were a lawyer??
9 trillion texts analysed every year seems profitable lol....hmm..maybe not even possible


and 3 seconds to absorb and analyse them

9 trillion * 3 seconds =
855 596.645 years


each year 1 million people would have to read and absorb without sleeping....brb with how many people work at apple

People also ask


How many employees does Apple have 2020?

147 thousand

As of FY 2020, the total number of employees had reached around 147 thousand (only counting full-time equivalent).

so its not people!! we have cleared that up

AI who cares, if it is ai then nothings changed ai is in every ph1 and computer...its been watching since its inception..

long story short, dont break the law and dont panic if you think you could accidentally get in trouble for something legitimate.....

hmm....but you care???

logic string comes back with a syntax error

 

I require root for proper firewall (AFWall+), so for me Calyx brings absolutely nothing to the table compared to LineageOS or similar ROMs - Calyx improved security model is flushed down the drain once the device is rooted. Actually Calyx has built-in proper firewall, so I can keep it non-rooted with locked bootloader and enjoy corresponding security benefits.

Additionally, Calyx requires specific phones to use, which is a problem in itself too. E.g. my sub-$300 Poco X3 Pro with SD860 shreds current Pixel phones performance-wise, without any compromises besides mediocre camera quality; the latter still acceptable with Google Camera HDR+ port instead of native camera app.

Upcoming Pixel phones might be more tempting in terms of performance, but also even more expensive. They are definitely not a solution for everyone. Maybe in NA countries there are no alternatives due to specific bands used for cellular services, but in Europe & Asia finding a better phone with great community support for half the Pixel's price is not a problem at all.

 

As pointed out several times. Apple ain't the only

If you want it bad you put resources in specialized software and computers. If it was too complicated we wouldn’t see Telemetry in all shape and form even from small companies

 

even still.....just not happening

 

Don’t underestimate big brothers hunger after your privacy/secrets. What we know today is nothing against what you will find out tomorrow. And this will go on.

A few selected first, then the rest

 

What are you talking about? It's technically easy to implement, as long as enough money pours into it. Look at China.

 

oh ok so it has help....but why the heck would they spend the cash and sources please....can you post something that shows time cut down due to algorithms


like im not definitive just talking it was my take....always interested in what you guys have to say...

please explain with sources im truely interested....also you nbr geniuses never cease to amaze me....brilliant