Toshiba T115D - AMD/HD3200 11.6 thread

Difference in scores may be because of HD3200 drivers and/or 64-bit Win7 vs. 32-bit.

 

Could be.

Strange thing is that the AMD tool that reads the GPU temp shows it as running at 380MHz, not 500, which is what I thought was stock speed. I thought maybe it was underclocked when below a certain GPU % used threshhold, but it was like that when running a 3D program in a window.

Can anyone else confirm their stock GPU speed using the AMD Overdrive tool?

 

My local Fry's now has a Fujitsu 11.6'' on sale for $400 after a $50 rebate. It has the single core Neo, 320GB HD, Bluetooth, B/N/G wireless but no HDMI output. It's a good thing that there are still some choices, as there aren't that many 11.6'' size laptops.

 

For which machine? MSI has their ECO app that sets different performance profiles in order to save battery life which will downclock the CPU and IGP.

The Tosh might have something similar when running off battery power.

 

This may belong in the gateway section, but since I'm started by considering the T115D, I'll post it here.

What are your thoughts on the Gateway EC14D?

A 11.6" Thin and Light with an Optical Drive. Also has Wireless N. Intel Dual Core chip, so has intergrated graphics, but I'm not a gamer. Other specs seem comparable.

 

That's exactly what i was thinking - here's the link from the comments, granted it is with the T135D and not the T115D: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16834114792

I know I've heard talk about needing to whitelist certain MiniPCI wireless cards based on VendorID/DeviceID with BIOS hacks for certain laptops, so I don't know if this could be the same deal with booting from USB devices. Just an idea that someone else might be able to confirm if it is the case.

 

It's when plugged in though, and with a 3D app running in a window (rthdribl) to tax the GPU.

 

Had I seen this one before I got the T115D I may have gotten this instead. The price though is a full $130 more...

 

After swinging by Fry's one last time before we fly back home, I spent some more quality time with the U210 (U2100 @ Fry's). If the chassis is going to be the same on the U230, I think I could easily get used to it. The concern of the indicator LED's on the far right shouldn't be a problem since they are far enough to the right to not be covered.

2 things about the MSI

1. I don't know what it's called but it's the ability scroll windows by using the far right side of the touch pad for vertical scrolling and the bottom for horizontal scrolling. The MSI doesn't seem to be able to do that for some reason. I can't imagine this is something that would be omitted since I'm able to do it on an 8 year old Dell C640. Mouse control panel yielded nothing on this. The T115D has this along with multi-touch.

2. One of the advantages of 64-bit Windows is the ability to access more than 3gb of ram (correct me if I'm wrong). Other than possibly costing more to license, why would MSI go 32-bit? And if one were to bump up the memory to 4gb, how does 32-bit Win7 handle it? If one were to dump x64 on it, what about the drivers?

If these two things are addressed when it comes out, I probably lean to get the MSI over Toshiba.

My $0.02.

 

msi's u210 didnt come with scroll capability however if ytou replaced the synaptics driver with a generic driver it will scroll top to bottom and left to right on the edges of the mouse pad.
easy enough to switch from 32 to 64 as you only need your key and any downloaded iso of your type windows to switch. drivers on the other hand may be a little more difficult as i dont know if msi will provide 64 bit drivers, they most likely exist it, will just be a hunt to find them.

 

Thanks for the touch pad info! If x64 drivers ends up not being a big deal....

Another interesting discover. Amazon has the U230 on their site (out of stock) for $480 with free shipping!!

 

Dang, if it gets any cheaper, it might just be worth selling my T115D on eBay and getting the MSI. I reread my return policy. Desktops have a 30 day return, laptops have a 7 day return, which is today, lol with a 15% restocking fee.

I considered the Eee 1201n, which seems to be more powerful GPU-wise for sure. So if that's what you want more than anything, then it might be worthwhile. But even the dual core Atom seems a little lethargic except for basic things like web browsing.

 

Cdn:

Thanks for the thought, unfortunately i did try that solution already a couple days ago with no luck. It seemed to make the slightest bit of improvement but not enough, and also it resulted in the loss of the scroll function on the touchpad.

As far as the intel vs ati, aerows is absolutely correct. I purchased the t115-s1100 model a day before i purchased this one. The s1100 has the intel gma 4500, and it was absolute crap. could barely push 720p let alone 1080p. i hooked it up to my 47' lcd via the hdmi port, and tested hd content with hulu and it was absolutely not watchable. Also as aerows stated, the 3200 will handle light gaming, the 4500 would not handle more than simple web flash based games, and would barely handle those. My windows 7 score improved from 3.1 and 3.4 in the aero and gaming categories, and although im still at 3.1 for the aero cat, i have improved to 4.5 in the gaming cat with the 3200.


Aerows,

I updated the catalyst and video drivers as soon as i pulled it out of the box. also updated sound, wireless and wired network drivers, as well as tried a few different touchpad drivers. Every driver on this unit was extremely outdated, which is just completely unacceptable for a unit that is barely pushing 2 weeks on the market. Windows update did not pick up on the outdated sound, video, or touchpad drivers. So for the normal user, they most likely would be running on all old drivers...just not right.

No updating of drivers seemed to help touchpad issues.

I have no upgraded my ram yet. I am actually on the verge on returning this to office depot and purchasing the s1125 dual core model (the red version). Toshiba direct has it for 499 with free shipping, and has the red model available.

I think for only $50, the dual core upgrade alone is worth it. What do you think aerows?

 

heat and fan noise please. Does it get hot? Is the fan noisey/always on. Can i play COD2 and 4? Has anybody successfully overclocked the CPU?

 

See my review here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=456058

CoD 4 plays well. CoD MW2 plays decently too overclocked, except with smoke particles it can be a dog. But that seems to be the case with most lower end GPU's. It doesn't get real hot either. Fan will kick in while gaming an you know it's kicked it audibly, but nothing horrible. More of a loud hum than anythign else.

 

Fan noise whiles gaming is normal but is it quiet when doing regular day-to-day stuff?? My old hp with AMD turion x2 and nvidia geforce go 6150 was HORRIBLE. I dont want to fall into the same trap.

 

It's quiet.

But on a another note, I think I may be ditching this Toshiba and going with the Alienware M11x:

Core 2 Duo SU7300 @ 1.3GHz (bios O/C to 1.6)
4GB DDR3 1066
320GB 7200RPM HDD
nVidia GTX 335m 1024MB
11.6" 1366x768 screen
Wi-Fi N, Bluetooth, only 100Mbps ethernet though

~ $800 shipped with coupons.

 

The M11x does look pretty sweet. However, for me, my cost cut off is ~$500. Thanks for the heads up though.

 

what has dell done to alienware I am sure that the Alienware of old would have made sure it had gigabit lan. I guess no one transfers files over the net anymore and all it needs is enough speed to pump the internet in and thats all.

 

My 'outgone' 14-inch Hp dv2000z had an AMD turion 1.6ghz X2 processor with a nvidia geforce go 6150 IGP. I dont know if it was Vista's fault or the 2gigs ram or Hp's but the pc was slow, runs VERY HOT and had a battery life of about 2 hours. Its funny, at the time i was buying the Hp (3 years ago), the 6150 was the best IGP alive; so good some reviews claim it could almost match the power of some low end dedicated GPU.
So how would this Toshiba compare to my stolen Hp in terms of processor and IGP?? ...I really hope the fan is very silent.
And how does this Toshiba compares to the Hp mini 311 (since the Hp 311 can be over-clocked to 2.0ghz)??

 

Take a look at my benchmarks in my review then look at the notebookreview.com review of the 1201n which has comparisons with the HP Mini 311:
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5434&p=2

These are stock clocks, mind you, but the Atom even for dual core, is a dog IMHO. For gaming the ION still owns big time. But for CPU tasks the AMD Neo X2 is much better, and the HD 3200 runs a close second to the ION. That's why I chose the Toshiba over the 1201n, it's got a good combo of CPU and GPU. But since I feel like I'm still compromising, I'm going with the m11x. Best sub 12" notebook with performance 14" components and for $800 ($600 with stock components).

 

With 5% bing CB and JR's free shipping and tax, you can snag this little guy for 475$ out the door. Few questions

1. Has anyone tried running each state a lower voltage?
2. Build Quailty?
3. Heat
4. Flash 10.1 beta performance with Hulu etc...

Overall this notebook looks to be a balance while not breaking the bank.

 

* I have not tried to undervolt.
* Built quality is average.
* While benchmarking it can get quite hot.
* Flash 10.1 beta with Hulu is a big improvement with no or very little shattering while watching on full screen.

 

Curious, how are you getting $600? According to their site, the starting price is $800.

 

Discounts. 10% EPP (~$100), $100 off coupon code for orders >$999 (or $50 off orders <$999) expires today, $50 off for signing up for their newsletter = $250 off.

 

Nice! I take it that you placed your order? Looking forward to your keyboard / touchpad feel comparison with the T115D.

 

Would the T115D have any issues running VM's?

 

Given sufficient memory I don't see why it shouldn't...

 

Right, and the Neo's even support virtualization technology:

http://products.amd.com/en-us/NotebookCPUSideBySide.aspx?id=595&id=513

 

Good to know! XPM option should not be a problem.

 

Interesting, the AMD site does not list the L335.

 

Nor the L315 of the Acer Ferrari One.

 

Here's another one - anyone try Linux/FreeBSD on it yet?

 

Wonder why ... perhaps it is listed under a different name? (Ya know - just to make it a little harder to be used as a reference site. )

 

Hmmmm.... Perhaps AMD makes special chips by request for various PC makers? It's weird to me that the L335 has half L1 cache than the L325. One would think the more L1 the better.

 

the L335 is an older chip that AMD has discontinued. the L335 was slated for dv2 and dm3 hp's, msi's u210 (taiwan and hong kong) u230 and the acer ferrari one's L315. the L625 and MV-40 have not been upgraded. Current shipping Neo's are the L325, L625, and MV-40 in the ASB1 BGA package.

 

Wait a sec. You mean to say that the U230 is going to be outdated before it's even released?! If the L335 is discontinued, that must mean that there is a limited supply of U230's if they ever release it.

 

Heheheheheh

Sabotage!

In any event this is what it seems, isn't it? Not make it easy to get replacement parts for a machine should it break.

 

it is an unfortunate reality with die changes and amd. if the u230 sells strong i guarentee you will see an updated model with the L325 or L625 after the L335's have sold out but i bileive the quantity of chips purchased was sufficient considering they were bought to span 2 models. the L325 L625 and L335 are identical package wise using the ASB1 bga package soldered on to reduce height.

 

chips lifecycles are always limited this holds true with all manufactors. the first gen atoms are discontinued but there are tons of them still around.

 

According to cpubenchmark, the L335 does have a slight performance edge over the L325. (883 vs 849) Perhaps due to the slight clock speed diff? (1.6ghz vs 1.5ghz)

 

that number could be attributed to total number of tests and overclocked results... as more tests are completed on the newer L325 I am sure they will either = or exceed the L335 due to its larger cache size

 

possible gamechanger! the shuttle "spa" standardized notebook will be offering an amd congo platform in micro spa... that means a customizable 10.1 to 13.3 in congo platform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3XeY4EHIws&feature=youtu.be&a


that youtube video @ 1:41 shows the motherboard. cant get anymore details till spa launch on march 1st to see what options are available as far as upgraded video, what wireless or bluetooth but from the read on spa standard its supposed to be fully customizable and the best part is a year from now you may only need to replace the motherboard and ram rather than the whole laptop.
http://spa.shuttle.com/

 

I always liked Shuttle. Great optimized machines for the size. I'm glad to see them getting into this market. I'm assuming they'll offer the shells as well?

 

Awesome idea. I would love a 10" Congo machine that I can upgrade down the line to a 45nm Nile machine.

Edit: Scratch that...these won't be sold direct to consumers as custom notebooks but to small OEMs in minimum bulk orders of 200 units.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/shuttle-spa-and-micro-spa-notebook-motherboard-standards-launche/


Not a bad way for someone with some investing cash to start up a small notebook business though.

 

Just ordered one of these badbodys in red. Got a corp discount so I got mine for $469 from toshiba direct. I think that's a steal. Can wait for it to get here. I had been thinking about getting a netbook but figured for a few bucks more I might as well go for the gusto.

 

the idea isnt to order a full notebook from shuttle. its to order replacement parts and diy. if there going to lengths to standardize the parts, the parts will more then likely be available for replacement.

 

Available maybe through the reseller, as a warranty replacement, but not necessarily from Shuttle directly. It all sounds more like MXM type GPUs....they're standardized too but trying to buy one for a DIY upgrade is more of a PITA than just going to BestBuy and picking one up.

This is Shuttle entering the notebook market on a Clevo or Compal level but on a scale that offers smaller resellers the ability to offer their own customized system.

 

we might not be able to build our own notebook at release but if the standards take hold we may find ourselves able buy the parts off newegg or tiger in as little as 6 months

 

I skimmed through the 15 pages of this thread but couldn't find any information on whether the Neo L325 supports Power now/Cool'n'Quiet?

AMD's documentation on these processors are sparse at best, the Neo product page does mention power now but havent noticed it yet!