Official Sony VAIO F Series Owners lounge *PART 2*

Is that 2 hours with the screen on? If you walk away from the computer and have the screensaver or hit the display off button that number changes I assume.

 

All of the machines I have worked with have what I would call a semi-gloss screen. It IS glossy...NOT matte, but it is not as shiny glossy as my kids' Acer screen.

Three hours may be right for the battery. I have only run it down once, and it was from more than two hours of use. It could have been closer to 3, but as I said, I am almost always plugged in.

Bill

 

That question proves that you read almost nothing in this tread. Start with the Unification Post linked on page 1, post #1 or do we have to retype everything?

Try also Search this Thread.

 

I have spent a few hours today and yesterday perusing this thread (and its first incarnation). As I mentioned before, the large majority of screen discussion that I have happened across are about the UK (or CA) models, not the US models.

The only mention of US screens in the unification post is a brief mention under "issues" for the bleeding problem on the 1080p screen (described as glossy/semi-glossy). I also stated I am looking at the regular, basic vaio screen.

 

What did you do with those 6 Windows 7 Home Premium licenses you paid for? Did you just bought Professional Anytime Upgrade keys or the more expensive full licenses?

Pro does not offer any performance benefits, just a few features that the majority of users don't need but are useful in the context of a business network.

If buying a CTO from SonyStyle then the $50 extra for Pro is a bargain besides giving you the Fresh Start option which eliminates the need for a clean install.

 

Try again & look for: Screen Color Calibration & the Poll.

The only matte screen for the F Series anywhere in the world @ the present is the Premium 1080p which is not offered in the North American market & a few other places. That's it.

 

Is the XP mode worth nothing?

 

I've seen the poll, which clearly states how many people like their screens by differing amounts. I do also realize that the question has been answered before, and have since come across posts answering the questions.

However, whereas you deigned to waste time by not answering the question, criticizing my posts, and "biting the newbies," other users were willing to spend 30 seconds of their time answering the questions.

In any case, this has gone off-topic and won't get anyone anywhere. As is such, I am done arguing it. If anyone else has input on how feasible college life would be with the F series, or as suggestions such as "Hey, the next iteration is coming out in less than a month! Wait!" then I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks especially to will and melody for their assistance!

 

Almost nothing. I disabled it in my BIOS as all my programs run in XP mode on my machine automatically & the odd ball that does not can be fixed most of the time by just right clicking it & setting the compatibility. Virtual PC enabled in the BIOS was slowing down the system. There is no free lunch.

Do you need more than Windows 7 Home Premium? >>>> with third party alternative.

From the same author: From Starter to Ultimate: What's really in each Windows 7 Edition?

A Closer Look at 32-Bit vs. 64-Bit Windows:

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Besides, you can get the free & very efficient VirtualBox & other similar things. Microsoft Virtual PC vs. Sun VirtualBox.

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I have the F. I am a college student. I would recommend waiting for the next iteration in ~1 month. It depends on what you're using it for. I needed processing power more than anything (there are so many power outlets on campus that battery life isnt a big deal). If battery life is a big deal for you (you want to use the laptop all day in classes etc) get a macbook pro. Many of my friends here at school and at other colleges have one. They are extremely happy with their purchase, and I bet you will too. Most colleges have a discount program anyway.

THAT SAID, I think the F is a better deal

People often think that they need to stay unplugged for the entire day and are convinced that they need a looooooong battery life. Although the long battery is nice for travelling (I have to fly 6 hours to get home, plus a 2 hour bus ride from school to the airport and a 7-hour battery would be nice for that), on campus its hardly necessary. ALL lecture halls, classrooms, libraries, dorm rooms, cafeterias, etc have power outlets (tons of them). Even when I travel, the bus that I take to the airport has wifi and power outlets, and I usually end up sleeping on the plane or zoning out to music. Unless you're going to be travelling to a ton for interviews/meetings off campus or something, I would recommend the F. It's REALLY nice to have all that power. I recently had to do a class project that involved putting in motion blur into a CG animation using After Effects (an infamously time-consuming render process). My F ate it up like breakfast (which comes in handy when you invariably procrastinate for assignments and have like 30 minutes to get the project done ).

So in short, the F works well for the student who's looking for quite a bit of performance punch in a relatively inexpensive and quality package. (did I mention it plays games too? )

EDIT: lol just read your OP. I'm a CS major as well (+ digital arts minor). Maybe econ too. idk lol I need something that makes money . One word of warning - check whether your school uses macs or PCs to teach. The intro CS courses at my school are all taught on Macs (using Java/Eclipse). Since I'm used to OSX, it was pretty easy to follow along and figure out how to do everything that my prof was doing in windows, it would've been nice to be running the same OS. Not a huge deal though, as most of the programming languages are cross-platform anyway.

EDIT 2: I don't think anybody mentioned this yet to you, but the graphics card is soldered in (so no upgrades). You can overclock it to hell and back though (the memory goes right up to the limit that nvidia system tools lets you. 100% rock solid). I bet if you put some better cooling on it and turned up the voltage it could go further. That said, it's fast enough. Most modern games will run at 720p with 30+ fps on high settings. The screen also scales VERY well to 720p, and most of the time you can hardly tell that the image is scaled during gaming.

 

I have used 3 of the home premium licenses on other family machines. We get a great deal on W7 Pro licenses as we buy in volume and are a school and a church.

My wife finished our newest church directory prior to my installation of her new computer. Last week the printing company asked for another copy, so she had to re-run program. Unfortunately, the program was not able to be used in W7, even in compatability mode. The program (called LifeTouch) worked perfectly in XP VM.

XP VM does run slow, but W7 Pro looks to be unaffected when the VM is not running. Even slow, it was a lifesaver.

Also, W7 Home Premium is not able to be used as a true workstation. For that matter, neither was Vista Home Premium. This makes it worthless in a server environment. It cannot securely connect to a private domain or VPN.

Pro also allows much easier remote desktop assistance and control and allows very flexible control of the server from remote locations.

Bill

 

@Willscary: I guess you did not check the links I posted above. All what you described is easily doable w/o Pro. In your case you did not pay $150+ for the full license but to say to a regular user to ditch the OEM Home & trow more money @ Microsoft is bad advice IMO.

"...W7 Home Premium is not able to be used as a true workstation" - That's absolutely false, sorry!

"XP VM does run slow, but W7 Pro looks to be unaffected when the VM is not running" - Well, why not try PassMark's benchmark utility w/ vs. w/o & report here?

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Really quite well - I only overclock when I actually play games so that the card isn't being OC'd when I don't need it. It's better for the longevity of the card and the motherboard not to be overclocking constantly. There are 0 stability issues thus far and the performance gains are ~5fps across most games.

My OC'd clock speeds are 700/900/1540.

 

From your prior link...

"JOIN A WINDOWS DOMAIN The Professional and Ultimate editions of Windows 7 can join a Windows domain, where they can use security, policy management, and deployment features that are especially useful to large enterprises. Home Premium edition can access resources on a domain-based network but can’t use Active Directory or management tools. OS X clients can connect to a domain’s Active Directory but lack support for Group Policy and other domain tools."

Is there something about this that you didn't understand???

Bill

 

I haven't heard of a way. I would usually bypass it by making .7z archives limited to 700mb and moving the files onto my external that way, but I don't think that applies here. If anything comes to mind, or if I find a way to bypass, I'lll let you know . Good luck.

 

That was really well put and helpful. Thank you.

 

"...It's better for the longevity of the card and the motherboard not to be overclocking constantly" - I am really interested in that statement. I have been using one of your previous OC setting recommendations: 650/800/1430 when photo editing & it seems more fluid w/o overheating.

My guessometer says that they underclock the cards & they can take it w/o adverse effects if it's just a little bit permanent OC, no?

BTW there is a new NVIDIA System Tools with ESA Support
Version: 6.06 Release Date: 2010.04.09 here. I dunno if it's any better than 6.05 (2009.11.19) but it's 2.28 MB smaller.

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@ Willscary:

 

Yeah - usually, manufacturers will determine a safe clock speed and then clock the stock speeds a bit under so that they are sure that the cards will be 100% stable. OC depends in large part on the luck of the draw, because the die quality varies from batch to batch. As long as the OC isn't extreme (i.e. you don't have to start fiddling with the voltages and the temps are ok) it's probably fine to leave it. I just get a little bit wary about pushing the clock speeds (especially now that I've clocked the card even higher than I previously did).

EDIT: Also, thanks for the link . I think it may be for the new 256.xx beta drivers that are coming out. <<< EDIT 2: Actually, probably not. Haha. Someone said that they would work on the F, but I haven't tried them out yet.

 

Just what do you think my words "It cannot securely connect to a domain or VPN" meant?

We use seperate servers for the church and school. We have 19 workstations on the office side and well over 100 on the school side. Our Pastors also do a tremendous amount of councilling and everything is secure. We use server based security and manage all access via password permissions.

Find me a copy of Home Premium that allows this and your blanket statement about how we wasted our money will be justified.

Bill

 

Mango,

I OC'ed my machine this afternoon for the first time and used 675/948/1485. I read where several people thought that the 675/1485 would be fine, but the memory would be too high. I also read where a few people thought the memory would be fine.

My question is this (as I am new to OC'ing)...according to Nvidia, the GT 330M has factory memory clocked as high as 1066 for DDR3 and 800 for GDDR3, but lower for DDR2 versions. If the F is built with a chip that has DDR3, wouldn't 948 still be quite low compared to its factory design?

I guess the reason I ask is due to what I have found while benchmarking my system. Once I turned C1E and EIST off and set TurboBoost to full time, I found that I could get a single core of my Q 820 to run at 3.06Ghz and all 4 cores running max will now hit 2Ghz each. This did not happen before changing these settings and my temps have not changed at all with the gain in speed.

Along the same lines, my GPU temps have not changed while OC'ing. The highest that my GPU has gotten (my cooler fans are always running) has been 65C while running 3D benchmarks. If I never game, and only use the graphics for photos and such, do you think their is harm in using OC settings permenently?

Bill

 

It was not a blanket statement. I never said that your church/school wasted money. In fact maybe if they can also get discounts on Pro Anytime Upgrade keys.

BTW you need a strong password made of 10 letters/numbers to join my home network, thanks to the easy network wizard in Win 7 Home.

As user with a Home Premium OS can be granted secure access to LAN files, etc with a secure password on your networks.

My points are:

1- There is absolutely NO performance difference between Home & Pro & Ultimate.

2- Most users can do everything they need with Home Premium.

3- Home Premium is fine for home & small business networks.

4- The F's OEM Home Premium can be upgraded smoothly via Anytime Upgrade in the Start menu in 5 minutes offline (no web nor media needed, just a key) as I did it. It's also much cheaper than a full license.

5- You can use the OEM recovery discs to do a screaming fast & easy clean install as illustrated by the screen captures I posted.

6- You can download a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium & use your OEM key for a custom install.

7- You can do point 6 & then enter a Anytime Upgrade Pro key & it will be as clean & as fast as a clean install with a full Professional OS.

 

Well, I dont think many people here went for higher specs model that costs also more just to have blu-ray reader. Most of them went for i7, more ram and premium display. You can always sell your bluray reader if youre planning on swaping it to the hdd and to buy standalone blu ray player to watch movies on bigger screen in your home. We have so many 720p and 1080p blu ray movie rips out there that I find optical drive and playing with the discs rather meaningless.

 

I found that one way to stop the lights from blinking, is to go into advanced power options (click your battery icon, go to options, advanced.. etc)..

Look for the minimum processor state, and when plugged in put in a value around 95-99%. That'll "lock" the processor at 1.6ghz and keep the power brick from acting all weird.

Works good, stopped making my lights flicker like frankenstein or something, but it ramps the fan up, go figure! (100%, btw will trigger turbo mode all the time).

Remind me guys, to go bug Sony's engineers next week about this. Their choice of power supply was just downright stupid. I think what happens is there's a threshold of use where the PSU kicks back into the power circuit it's connected to for the sake of efficiency..

Problem? The Vaio F happens to straddle that threshold, so when you have it idling and it flips between 930 and 1600mhz to run a simple task, it'll cause your lights to flicker like 500 times.

Man, they really need to test stuff out.

 

Ahh yes, this what I was waiting for. Do you have a press release or something about this? I have attempted to search a number of sections of Sony's site to no avail.

Thanks for the great comments too! I'm definitely going with the F now, it's just a matter of when. Right now I can also get a free blu-ray player, and that probably wont be around when the next iteration comes out.

 

Yes it's extremely useful. Win7 X64 does not support VB6. All my older DVD creation tools, including Daikin AC3 encoder, BeSweet, and a graphics layout program, require that, so they have to be run in the XP window. Any Visual Basic 32-bit aapplication has to be run in Virtual XP. Also since Pro HAS that Virtual Machine, one can run Linux inside Win7. For instance I can use Folding@Home SMP on its most efficient platform.

The disadvantage of XP mode is that it uses a generic graphic driver, thus not achieving a great screendraw speed.

 

No no, again, the reason that people like their screens by differing amounts is that the QUALITY of the screen differs between units. Some have really awful shading and inversion, others are near perfect. There is of course a variation in expectations between users, but the reason for the wide swing in results is due to screen quality itself. Having had two Fs with quite different screens myself I can say I would have voted differently on each unit.

 

I'll put it this way, you WILL have to think about usage time, wondering if it will make it to Lunch. Whereas my Asus Netbook lasts 9 hours thus I can really just consider it a "battery device." You have to want everything the F11/F12 offers (which is a LOT!) so that it's ok to adjust your routine to account for the 2-3 hour battery life on the 9-cell. (Also you can carry a charged OEM spare of course.)

However if there's lots of outlets, then no worries..

 

The F12 is out June 26th and will add an option for a six-core CPU (i9).

 

And thanks for the link also JB.

Ok, you are a very smart man mr. Clam, and I have established my dummyness, I think. But I have never figured out how to SAVE GPU overclocking settings in the Nvidia utility so that it will always boot up to the overclock. I save the profile, set to "use the profile at boot" but - nada, always factory settings until I change it.

Thanks ..

 

THANKS MM!!!

I thought I was the only one with that problem!

Bill

 

@ Melody & Bill have you tried doing it this way?:


I got it to use the OC'd values at startup by using this method (it also lets you define whether the OC should start up when you run certain applications. It says "games" but you can just select whatever .exe file you want).

 

Here in Europe, the date is June 17th. Some online web shops put the F12 models online.
Strangely enough, they all did with the old specs of the F11 models. But one UK-shop said details aren't available yet, so I assume Sony didn't give much more details than model numbers, prices and delivery dates.

Some web shops with the F12's:
Luxemburg: SONY-VAIO-VPC-F12M1E-VPCF12MSF Hifi International
Netherlands: https://www.correct.nl/klantsoort.p...SOORTOMS=Notebooks&VOORRAADSOORT=A&SOORT=9933
United Kingdom: Cheap Electricals Sony Vaio F and FW series
Some Asian country I guess : Sony Vaio VPC-F121FX/B (Intel Core i7 - 720QM 1.60GHz, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, VGA NVIDIA GeForce 310M, 16.4inch, Windows 7 Home Premium) | Máy tính laptop

About the core i9:
First of all, it's a desktop cpu and intel branded it i7 and not i9 (which was a speculation, not official name)
Second, Intel has no plans at all of introducing an i9 mobile processor at the moment.
They're releasing their core i3-i5-i7 ultra-low-voltage mobile processors. Next step is Sandy Bridge and that's somewhere in 2011.
Link: Intel's 2010 roadmap | Desktop | ZDNet UK

A more realistic expectation of the F12 is this:

• US premium screen becomes premium (as in Europe and Asia, = matt screen);
• Update of the GPU. Nvidia is rolling out their new Fermi's at the moment, they'll probably tell more at the upcoming Computex in Taipei, Taiwan. Maybe a switchable graphics mode? Would save some energy when light-tasking, but I'll doubt that. The F-series are multimedia series...
• ...

 

Two questions.

1. I recently purchased a Sony Vaio F. It was supposed to have a Bluray sticker on it as well as a "Full HD 1080p" sticker on it. It doesn't. Where can I obtain these stickers? They have to sell them somewhere! (The same kind as the Core i7 and Windows 7 stickers.

2. The laptop is less than 30 days old. I hear they are coming out with a new F series model mid-late June. Would it be possible to return this, and then get the new one? (paying for the entire new one and getting a full refund)

 

I'm going to stick to my guns about the new fermi's in the June refresh. I highly doubt that nvidia will have a high enough yield of their mobile fermi cards to make it into the F. Yields for the gtx 480/470 are low enough already and they haven't even gone mainstream with their midrange desktop cards yet. If anything, I would see ati 5xxx mobile cards in the F, but I think Sony have already confirmed that the GPUs for the F will remain nvidia's hands.

 

I bought a Blue-ray sticker from e-bay, Chinese address. I think I paid $6 something including shipping.

 

The apparent discontinuation date for the F11 in North America is now June 19th. Generally discontinuation occurs a week before new models are put on display at BestBuy etc. I was told In February that the F12 was coming June 26th, but indeed a week either way doesn't change things much.

 

Are you a betting man? The "Premium" i7 had 6 cores, Q920 I believe, but the mobile chip is somewhat different architecture.

 

Sorry, I was being facetious. I do realize that it is the quality of the screen, not really their fondness of it.

Thanks for your help everyone!

On a side note, I'm not entirely sure yet, but I may just get one now. I can get the blu ray player for free, I do not plan on doing much that would benefit from a better graphics card (if that became available), and I figure that if the screen really bothers me (with glossy vs matte) I can always replace it with a newer model's screen later. On my budget and with my needs, I also would be highly unlikely to upgrade the CPU (heck, even now it is the lower i7).

Additionally, if I get one now and happen to be unfortunate enough to get a noisy fan or another issue of the sort, I can send it back to them and could probably convince them to upgrade to an F12 with the same specs.

 

Hi,

I've read about the fan issues here on the board and I believe I have the same problems. My fan never stops spinning, although not very fast it's kind of annoying since it doesn't spin at an even rpm. I use a Zalman NC2000 cooling pad and the cpu core temperatures are around (47 43 48 45 degree C) at idle. I'm running at energy saving mode, however it's the same in balanced mode.

The only time I can get the fan speed to reduce is if I press and hold (almost) any key on my keyboard. Does anyone else have these issues?

/ruff

 

While I don't have a fan issue, I tested your keyboard theory...and to my surprise when I held down the Control key the fan slowed down and became almost silent. Why does this happen? lol

 

Yes, a Virtual Machine is useful for some users but Microsoft's Virtual PC included in Professional & Ultimate is not the only solution. You can run XP, Linux, Mac OS, etc in the free VirtualBox. Check the pros & cons here: Microsoft Virtual PC vs. Sun VirtualBox it includes this video that you can see in 720p/full screen on Youtube. Not to mention also the free VMware Player ( "...run multiple operating systems at the same time on your PC").

VirtualBox has a big plus that Virtual PC lacks: you can create snapshots or restore points besides having 3D & 2D video acceleration options. That's great if your are new to Linux & do some experimentation & tweaks and if you mess up, you just go back to a working state. With Windows 7 Professional's Virtual PC you have to start all over again from scratch.

Have you tried it?

If you are a Home Premium user, give it a (free) spin!

How to: install a new operating system on VirtualBox | How to Install Ubuntu on VirtualBox (with link to Ubuntu Linux free download page) | Installing Ubuntu inside Windows using VirtualBox | Oracle VM VirtualBox User Manual.

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Convert Physical Machines to Virtual Machines

Now this is pretty crazy: you can convert your physical old XP machine or even a backup system image of that old machine into a virtual machine that you can use within the F with the VMware Player or the VirtualBox. Both VMware vCenter Converter and VMware Player are free.

I plan on trying that & report in a couple of days.

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From the Windows XP Mode and Windows Virtual PC: download page:

BTW MelodyMaster, check the recent Windows XP Mode Update on the download page linked above: "**Enables Windows XP Mode for PCs without Hardware Assisted Virtualization Technology" so you don't need to have VT permanently enabled in the F's BIOS if you use XP Mode only once in a while.

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I've never used a VM before, or even Ubuntu for that matter, but I just followed one of the guides you linked and am now playing around in Ubuntu in VirtualBox.. Very cool.. This is going to take up a ton of my time I can tell already. Will be fun to learn a new OS though..

On another note.. Someone previously mentioned in this thread that when they hold down the Left+Ctrl key, the fan stops running and quiets down. I tried this and can't believe it; it's true. I was one of the ones complaining of a noisy fan and when I do this, I can hear the noise fade to silence then come back again as soon as I release the key...very weird

 

Glad you like it. What's great is that you can install stuff & mess around @ will in VirtualBox & it will not affect your Win 7 OS in any way.

Could you explain exactly what you mean by "Left+Ctrl key"? I have 2 Ctrl keys but what is "Left"? I would like to try it on my F.

 

Well, I posted earlier today that I noticed when pressing almost ANY key on my keyboard the fan speed would lower down to what I suspect is the minimum setting.

I believe the previous poster is indicating the Ctrl key to the left on your keyboard.

/ruff

 

Yup. I've got the same issue (F115FM). Sony didn't request any troubleshooting when I called, and claim they'll dispatch a tech with a replacement part. We'll see what shows up.

I get fan slowdowns just by typing fast. It doesn't matter what OS, Windows, Linux, just memtest86. Holding down any of the keys, or just typing fast, results in reduction of fan RPM to almost nothing... even when the system is still under load. Kind of scary, since the cooling that should be happening, isn't.

Almost seems like the interrupts from the keyboard are stomping on the communications to adjust fan RPMs. Seems extremely silly...

I'll update on whether or not Sony's "part" fixes anything. I have yet to install a temp monitor to see if there's actually the possibility of damage to the hardware during reduced fan RPMs.

 

I installed HWMonitor and it shows me CPU, GPU and HDD temperatures. My temperatures are slightly below 50 degree C for all cores and GPU at idle surfing.

The reduced fan speed seems sufficient to maintain the temperatures around these values so I suspect there isn't much difference in RPM between the two modes, even though the noise level is very different.

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I just installed a monitor and ran a game I won't mention. GPU was at 64C, and Cores were between 64C and 70C. While holding down a key, the reduced RPMs allowed the GPU to get up to 68C, and the Cores to all jump 3C. I let it run for 3 minutes with the key held down (while swallowing repeatedly and ignoring palpitations... this thing is only 3 days old!). 3-4C was all it would increase. (My base temps are the same as yours.)

So, it would seem that it's not a huge deal... 3-4C all around isn't going to kill hardware, but it sure doesn't help it live longer. And to top it off, it's more-than-mildly annoying

Well, I'll post back with results from Sony's fix-it attempt. At least they're not asking to ship it. Yet.

 

Uhh...I seem to have a major issue right now. According to CPU-z my Core speed for the processor is 931 MHz with a multiplier of 7x FOR EVERY CORE! WHAT DO I DO! It's not even at 1.6Ghz! Turbo mode isn't working and neither is the processor properly!!!!!!!!!! I rebooted and everything! I tested with Intel's turbo boost monitor and it's showing that it's not working. PLus why is my core speed less than 1.6GHz!? ?!

It's a core i7 720qm

 

OMG! Your F is broken!

Just kidding, run the utilities in CPU-z, set your power plan to performance & search for: Turbo Boost.

Are you running on battery? If so, then it's normal to be topped @ 933 mHz. On the other power plans it's @ 931-933 mHz @ idle to save power & fan work but then kicks up on demand.

Intel Core i7-720QM Processor product page:"Max Turbo Frequency 2.8 GHz ...refers to the maximum single-core frequency that can be achieved with Intel Turbo Boost Technology..."

i7-720QM:
Max Turbo Boost Frequency
4 Core: 1.73 GHz
3 Core: 1.73 GHz
2 Core: 2.40 GHz
1 Core: 2.80 GHz
Core Frequency: 1.60 GHz with DDR3-1333
LFM* Frequency: 0.933 GHz (same as 933 mHz)
Shared L3 Cache: 6MB

*LFM: Lowest Frequency Mode: the power saving CPU clocking mode used by the Vaio_VPCF11 when running on battery which has a power output too low (54W) to be able to feed an F working @ full speed which needs up to 100W + 10% according to_Sony's power requirement specs. That's why the VAIO_VPCF11 comes with a 120W A/C power adapter.

Note that since it has 4 cores: 0.933 GHz x 4.

 

No not at all.
I agree there will be a new six-core desktop cpu coming soon, namely the Inte i7-980X (12M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI)
link with more info about desktop i7-980X

But on the mobile segment, the new core i7-920X is a quadcore, not a six-core!
Link with more info about mobile i7-920X
That's a fact, not a bet. Six-core mobile cpu's are coming with the introduction of Sany Bridge. When that is? Speculations says 2011, can't remember if it's early, mid or late 2011. Not important anyway, it's not now in 2010. So it won't be there in the new F12.

Mind that this picture is from late 2009-early 2010. That's why it says Westmere (core i3-330M, core i5-430M, and so on) are still on track. Anyway, Sandy Bridge is still on track today, that's my point.

If you can prove me otherwise, be my guest. It would be a welcoming surprise!

I wouldn't stand people, waiting for the F12, getting false hope about the specs. That's all.