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    Sony Vaio Duo 13 Owners Thread

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony Owners' Lounge Forum' started by CoolHotCold, May 8, 2013.

  1. WEB_SRFR

    WEB_SRFR Notebook Consultant

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    This is the best leather case I could find for the Duo 13. Very happy with it. They made some changes to make it fit the Duo 13 as it is designed for the Mac Air 13. It looks really great in person. I received mine 2 weeks ago.

    Reserved for Jenny. PERSONALIZED MacBook Air 13/ by farragobags
     
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    Great, I was experiencing this problem. Glad it will be fixed after I update.
     
  3. rodrodriguez

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    If you want a Animal Free option, you can use the Jack Sack: Amazon.com: Classic Messenger Bag, Dark Canvas: Sports & Outdoors
    I use it everyday going to work and it is very confortable and Duo 13 fits perfectly.
     
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    I have just spend a day trying to setup Windows 8.1 Enterprise and Pro among Duo 13. It was a Fresh install since the begining but I was getting blue screens and it did not succeed. So I got back to Windows 8 and the Fresh install was succeed. After installing Windows 8, I was able to Upgrade to Windows 8.1 and everything went OK.
    So if you try to install 8.1 from a Fresh install, maybe you will have to start with Windows 8 first. Maybe in the future a firmware update can address this problem.
     
  5. nash35

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    Hi guys

    I am the more or less happy Vaio Duo 13 new owner.
    I took the high one, with 512Gb ssd.

    Of course I notice quite immediatly :
    - The ....xxxx... wifi that was terrible
    - That it is the Haswell chipset that has a bug on USB3 (to make a 256Gb ssd in msata enclosure I have been forced to put a usb2 cable !!!)
    Otherwise it is perfect machine and I am happy except these two points. Will complain on the USB3 issue.

    I bought external wifi but then I can not go on sleep mode which is deal breaker for me.

    Then tonight I wanted to try alternative and here is was I made :

    * AP WAP4410 configured as n only, WPA2 personnal + AES, 40Mhz, frequency 13 (I am in 15+ wifi network area, this frequency is not used)

    * Sony wifi card configured with (only changes vs default) :
    - 20/40 Coexistance : disabled
    - 40Mhz intolerant : disabled
    - Min power consumption : disabled
    - XPress tech : enabled

    At 1m from AP I reached 270mbps
    At 5m from AP with a wall I reach 120 to 168mbps
    At 10m from AP with two walls I reach 81mbps
    ... bit better...
    Cheers...
     
  6. nash35

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    Realized I made a few mistakes in the text : please find below the detail of initial driver config and my current setup.

    Image sans titre.png

    I will continue tests.
    But I have the impression that major issues are linked :
    - To coexistence with 802.11bg clients
    - To use of TKIP (do not use) incompatible with "n"
    - Battery consumption options
     
  7. nash35

    nash35 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Have the impression that I am not far from the limit, looking at Broadcom data. The chip we have is BCM43241.
    One last comment, looks not strange to have lower bandwidth using 5Ghz band as the penetration in objects is harder and harder when you increase frequency.

    2x2 MIMO Dual-Band Combo Device Supporting 802.11n, Bluetooth 4.0 + HS & FM Receiver for Tablet Computers - BCM43241 | Broadcom

    2x2 MIMO Dual-Band Combo Device Supporting 802.11n, Bluetooth 4.0 + HS & FM Receiver for Tablet Computers

    The Broadcom BCM43241 2x2 multiple input/multiple output (MIMO) dual-band combo chip provides a complete wireless connectivity system with high-speed Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity. The single-chip device provides whole-home, high bandwidth connections ideal for video intensive applications at very low power consumption.

    2x2 MIMO technology allows data to be simultaneously transmitted over multiple streams using the same frequency, providing greater range and higher throughput while maintaining compatibility with legacy 802.11a/b/g/n devices. With dual-band and dual-stream technology, the BCM43241 utilizes two streams per channel to enable twice the throughput and better range than the current generation combo products that incorporate single-stream Wi-Fi.

    The BCM43241 architecture also supports 20 and 40 MHz channels, allowing for PHY layer throughput of up to 300 Mbps. The chip also features integrated RF power amplifiers (PAs) that accommodate both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz frequency bands, eliminating the need for external PAs and reducing bill of materials (BOM) cost.

    The chip is the industry's first to combine MIMO Wi-Fi with Bluetooth 4.0 and FM radio on a single piece of silicon, enabling lower power and easy integration into new tablet designs.

    Request Product Info to learn more about Broadcom products or contact a Manufacturer Representative in your area.

    Features
    Dual-band 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n
    Hardware support for virtual simultaneous dual band operation with sub 1 ms band switching time
    Dual-stream IEEE 802.11n support for 20 MHz and 40 MHz channels provides PHY layer rates up to 300 Mbps for typical upper-layer throughput in excess of 200 Mbps
    Complies with Bluetooth Core Specification Version 4.0 + HS with provisions for supporting future specifications
    Bluetooth Class 1 or Class 2 transmitter operation
     
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    truplayr Notebook Guru

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    My duo hasn't even been built yet.

    I ordered mine 12th August

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
     
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    Hi, anyone of you still see battery draining during sleep? Starting from 80%, after about 11 hours of sleep, the battery almost ends up with about 53% left.

    I checked the event-log. Starting from about 3am, there are many logs of warnings about unresolved DNS servers, at various addresses, eg tools.google.com, and some others. Could this be the problem?

    I have seen other people solving the battery consumption problem by sending the laptop for a replacement, a path that i do not wish to take. Can anyone help me here? Thanks a lot!
     
  10. thetruth1983

    thetruth1983 Notebook Evangelist

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    Has anyone here had a problem with using a bluetooth mouse and a bluetooth keyboard? I have the microsoft comfort touch mouse and it works fine. Once I connect my logitech k810 bluetooth keyboard, all hell breaks lose with the mouse. It jerks and stops constantly. The only way I can get it to go back to normal is to disconnect the keyboard. Anyone experience this or have any advice?
     
  11. nash35

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    This computer is designed for wifi to be activated during sleep (and some applications). I guess this is due to some apps that you installed and that are not programmed correctly.
    Just need to identify who is the bad actor.
     
  12. Gorio1964

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    Yes, I also use a Microsoft Comfort mouse and when listening to music over Bluetooth on my Geneva Series S my mouse also becomes nearly unusable, I end up having to use a direct line for the stereo.
     
  13. rsjeffrey

    rsjeffrey Newbie

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    I purchased a Vaio Duo 13 in the UK with GPS. This can be accessed and turned on via Settings>PC Settings.

    Unfortunately, there is no indication that the Huawei GNSS service is working. In conversation with Sony (extremely unhelpful), there is an implication that it des not work without a broadband connection, which seems a nonesense.

    Does anyone have any experience of how to get the GNSS service to work - and what applications can access it (Centrafuse Localizer cannot see any satteilites using it). Indeed, how do I know if it is working?

    If I run the Sensor Diagnostic Tool 0.2.1, under Data for HUAWEI GNSS Sensor it states Error: No Data.

    Thank you...
     
  14. Tinderbox (UK)

    Tinderbox (UK) BAKED BEAN KING

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    Try download "gps satellite" fro the Windows 8 store, it works great with my Duo 11

    John.
     
  15. rsjeffrey

    rsjeffrey Newbie

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    I have tried the GPS Satellite software. It works only if I have a broadband connection.
     
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    GPS Satellite is the only software i got to work with the GPS.

    I have asked for help on this thread a few times without getting a response, the US version of the Duo 11 or 13 does not come with GPS.

    The GPS is supposed to work with Google Maps, is that the online maps or the Google Earth app you download, do you know.

    John.
     
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    Need help picking colour for Sony Viao Pro 13", urgent! Need some opinions!


    I am currently in the US and before I leave to Europe for good I need to pick up a laptop cos my old Acer died after 6 years (pretty damn good for a cheap laptop!)

    I finally decided to buy the Sony Viao Pro 13. I have seen teh black very quickly at a Windows Store in Boston, however not sure whether it was just the black or carbon black. Which one is nicer? I havent seen the silver yet apart from on the internet...any ideas which one I shall opt for or is it just a matter of preference??

    I always wanted a silver laptop...but is this carbon silver ugly or simply like the macbook air kind of silver?
    Since the keyboard is also silver is it a nuisance and does it all appear too weird to have everything silver?
    Then again, does the black look dull and does it get a lot of fingerprints?

    Would really really appreciate your comments guys...asap please

    Also, have the wifi issues ben resolved, and would you opt to buy it from a store (just in case it has to be returned) rather than over the internet?

    I really thank you from my heart if I get a lot fo feedback. By the way I am a lady, maybe black is more for guys? Anyway just a thought, whats important is honest answers as if you re going to buy it yourselves thank you so much!

    Jessie
     
  18. Gorio1964

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    Wifi not yet fixed, I hope it will be soon.

    My black carbon does not seem to get bad fingerprints and I prefer it to my last silver notebook.
     
  19. Tinderbox (UK)

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    You in the wrong thread my friend you want to be in the link below.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/son...l-vaio-pro-13-owners-lounge-svp13-2013-a.html

    John.

     
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    Hi all,

    I'm still facing the problem of my VAIO DUO13 auto restarted quite regularly (every other day or 2-3 days). And the screen says Your PC ran into a problem etc.

    I tried doing a refresh of the PC, and doesn't help. I've browsed around and found someone saying to try this command, SFC /SCANNOW, I'm trying it out now.

    Has anyone had this problem or it's just me ?? :confused:
     
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    "SFC /SCANNOW" will check Windows 8 for damaged files and replace them, you can also test your memory by typing MEMORY in the search box.

    Also you can try "chkdsk /f" without the quotes to check you ssd for errors in an dos box like you did with the SFC /SCANNOW command.

    John.
     
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    Gorio 1964, Thank you! So its not yet fixed....I mean what is exactly happening...no internet at all, say if you are at a café with wifi....you don't connect at all? By the way, I am at the wrong thread, sorry..but appreciate if you can answer me one more time :)
     
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    Thanks Tinderbox for the link :)
    Is it worth purchasing a sony if the wifi is not fixed :( its a lot of money...
     
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    You know, the WiFi issue seems like a really long-standing problem at this point when you consider that the Pro has the same issue, right? Makes me wonder whether there is a hardware defect like in the design of the unit or the antenna.
     
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    I really dig into the issue of wifi (and bluetooth) and I have the impression that the problem lies mainly in the architecture that has been chosen.
    Instead of putting a separate wifi card from bluetooth, they used a broadcom chipset that makes high frequency switching of the card to the antenna (bluetooth frequency is not far from wifi so you can use the antenna).

    I saw that Broadcom says that they can switch at 1ms frequency which is fast but it is still too slow to achieve perfect "n" performance AND "g" AND "bluetooth". This is probably the root cause of some issue as if you configure the laptop to do everything, you can not do one particular radio link at full efficiency as you would do with separated chips.

    This chip has been developped for ipads and others... maybe not the right choice for a laptop that does not have hardwired ethernet, and on which you want to transfer massive amount of data...



    If you see the layout of the chip regarding antennas you can understand it is a breakthrough... with some inconvenients.
     
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    Layout...!

    Image sans titre.png

    There is in total 4 switchs and two diplexers going to two antennas.

    Things to notice :
    Antenna 1 : 5G Wlan + 2G Wlan
    Antenna 2 : 5G Wlan + 2G Wlan + BT Tx + BT Rx
    ... and there is a FM receiver also (not connected in Vaio ? Should look in details to driver).

    Full doc here : https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/RefNotes/BCM43241_RIN_v1.docx‎
     
  27. wurstt

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    Although my 15,4" Laptop is more powerful, the sony vaio duo 13 has replaced it completely now. Its battery and weight are far better and of course I get used to the touch screen (even though its very imprecise with chrome). But to be honest, I don't use the Pen Input. Accessoiries for the Vaio are too expensive. I still use my Galaxy Note 10.1 for writing (equipment is much cheaper, e.g. Screen protection and cases).

    My Main usage is of course Internet browsing (we come later to that). But also easy gaming (CS GO), Office, Karaoke (Ultrastar with PS3 wireless microphones). The display is just beautiful and the speaker are quite usable, very good ones a laptop (of course not audiophile quality). Watching movies and listen musics makes fun with the vaio as it is (without extras like external speakers and HDMI output to a TV)
    BUT as I mentiones, my main usage is Internet Browsing and I'm a little bit of heavy user. I often have more than 25 tabs open with an average of 15 tabs. And here comes the bis disadvantage of Windows 8 and only 4GB RAM. It's just not enough. With 20 tabs open the Vaio begins to lag because RAM usage is 100%. Yes Chrome uses a lot of RAM, but it's better than to use the SSD like other browser.
    I mean this is a 1500 Euro device and you put 4 Gigabytes of RAM into it (it's almost 2014). Who the hell do you think you are, Sony? Apple?! Forget that idea. You use Windows (what I prefer over MacOS) the hardware market is quite transparent. 8GB RAM cost like 45 Euro and you wasn't able to put this small but essential piece into a 1500 Laptop.
    OK...you usually can change he RAM easily in Laptops. Everything's fine? No, of course not. Soldering the RAM on the Motherboard is not a brilliant idea.


    Well I also have some questions to you guys :)
    So I read that some of you did a clean install of Windows 8 and deleted the recovery partitions etc.. .Did it affect the battery life?
    And do you have more options? Like in the power options of the original Vaio Win 8 version. It is slimmed down, you cannot choose power save or full power as power plan, just balanced. Even if you make a custom plan, there are very few options in the advanced power menu.


    Edit: Well I'm frustrated. Something just happened, which didn't happened since Windows Vista on a AMD 3400+ Athlon 8 years ago...a 10 minute freeze like condition where everything needs 20 to 50 seconds to open up (like task manager). Of course RAM was 100% used, even after closing all chrome tabs with only 1 left. After 20 "fight" I managed to shut the laptop down. When I restarted and opened chrome restred all tabs (like 20+) the RAM usage was only 55%.
    I don't know what's wrong with Windows 8 and why it's eating moar and moar RAM from time to time, but the "worst case" with windows 7 on my other laptop and 100 tabs opened, running paint.net and a video converter only 5.8GB RAM were used, so I assume that you wont have any freezes due to RAM usage if you put 8GB of RAM into the machine. But 4GB are clearly not enough since windows eats a major part of it. With windows 7 and 8gb ram my memory usage after a cold start was 45 percent. Yep Windows needs a lot.

    If I only needed internet browsing then ubuntu would be perfect for the vaio, but unfortunately there are to many windows only software and Vine does not work perfectly.
     
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    Thank you Gus Randall....however its strange how some people haven't had any issues at all....maybe its better to buy it directly from sony store, IN the store (not online)?
    Any alternative to the pro 13? something very light that's similar yet strong??
    Appreciate your help..
    Jes
     
  29. nash35

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    You say that you are using Chrome with 4Gb... and that is the issue.
    I guess this is the consequence of the inherent design of Chrome, where every tab (+extensions, +tasks,..) has its own environment for security purposes.
    I also noticed a major use of memory for each tab (50 to 100mb each).

    If you want to keep 25 tabs with 4Gb, the solution could be to change browser...

    Now for the issue mentionned (10mn blocked) the problem could be that the SSD is almost full and the garbage process can not be handled properly. In that case, everything can become very slow. This is linked to SSD design (and the use done : going lower than 10% free with any SSD can generated this type of issue).
     
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    Has Sony gone on record about the wifi issue or is it possible to get it repaired? I've been using my duo 13 on campus and although I love the laptop, the wifi is horrible. In the library, I only get 2 bars and in one of my classes, it won't even connect. At these same areas, I can get full bars with my macbook and my cell phone. I guess I could always buy a usb wireless card but there's only 2 ports and one is being used by my logitech mouse. I still need a extra port open for my hard drive. I could carry a usb hub but then that would start to make the idea of having a ultrabook pretty useless.

    Oh and before someone suggests using a bluetooth mouse, I have a bluetooth mouse which is the microsoft comfort. Every time I try to use that mouse along with my bluetooth keyboard at home, the mouse just goes crazy with constant stutters. I've never had these problems with any other device that I've owned and I'm looking for some kind of fix or replacement.
     
  31. GusRandall

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    Anybody have issues with the built in AT&T broadband card? I often get unbelievably bad speeds at my office which normally very good speeds. I call AT&T and they report no tower problems in the area and when I have someone else bring an AT&T phone in to check their speeds next to the laptop, they are getting great numbers
     
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    says my duo 13 is shipping today, so excited!!! now just have to wait a few more days as it is coming from Nagano, Japan...
     
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    Edit: Wrong post quoted. I was responding to FrozenRiver's post on page 151.


    Yes. This is a big problem with the active standby. Skype for Desktop will use around 5% per hour, so I no longer use skype except when absolutely necessary. I also have had 10% per hour battery drain this morning while in standby according to "pwercfg /batteryreport". My laptop will be burning hot when I take it out of the bag. I'm thinking this may be powerpoint, but don't really know. Yes, I'm sure that it is actually in "active standby" because the battery report says so.

    This doesn't usually happen. Usually there is 1% battery drop per hour in standby. The problem is that I can no longer COUNT on my laptop. If I leave it overnight asleep in my bag with a full charge, it might be dead by morning. I have to take my laptop out and plug it in right up until the time I actually need to use it, because for reasons I haven't fully figured out it will sometimes decide to sometimes use 10% or 1% battery per hour. It would be fine if Microsoft hadn't DISABLED my ability to go into conventional sleep or hibernate (the latter being bad for SSDs I understand).

    Windows 8 is a dog. Active standby is a dog. If I could return this laptop I would. Such nice hardware ruined by Microsoft. I recommend that anyone who really needs a productivity tool go out and buy a macbook air instead. The screen will be junk, but at least it won't die overnight from 80% sleeping in your bag.
     
  34. WEB_SRFR

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    So how does this connected standby work? Do you have to activate it? My Duo 13 just goes to sleep and even after hours of standby time the system comes alive in a couple of seconds and I hardly loose any battery power whatsoever. I did notice that when it comes back on, Outlook 2013 has not synced with Exchange while sleeping so apparently connected standby is not active on my Duo 13. Come to think of it, though I see the need for that with a cell phone if there is a battery hit I see no use for this technology for the way I use the Duo 13.
     
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    I don't know the exact details. Basically it lets applications do some work in a low-power state while sleeping, very similar to a cell phone. The problem I've found is that, with two of these Duos now, some applications or circumstances cause very high battery loss. In conventional sleep the processor would be powered off and only the ram kept alive. There is some issue with either the processor or Windows that does not correctly manage the power in all situations in my experience. This leads to a laptop that works well most of the time, but can occasionally screw you if you are counting on it to have battery after letting it sleep for 10 hours (as it almost did me this morning).

    If you are a Skype user, could you try to leave skype for desktop running and logged in when you let the Duo sleep for 6 hours or so, and see if that increases your battery loss in standby? I've seen several other people complain about the battery loss, but haven't been able to have anyone else confirm the same effects that I'm seeing.
     
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    Push, some knowledge about that would be nice.

    btw. Windows 8.1 is coming in around 3 weeks for all.
     
  37. nash35

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    Check this page of Intel, that explain in details how to identify "bad actors" (apps that wake the computer to get data in connected sleep -and too often-).
    Its very technical but work.

    Optimizing Windows* 8 Applications for Connected Standby | Intel® Developer Zone

    By the way good/bad actors are defined like this :

    Good behavior: An application service happens within “System” process. E.g. Application service goes to sleep before “System” process enters sleep state. This helps to meet the Microsoft Windows 8 connected standby WHQL requirement of 5% battery loss during 16 hours of system in connected standby.

    Bad behavior: An application activity happens independent of “System” process or enters sleep state after “System” enters sleep state. Wake-ups which are not aligned can cause battery degradation in connected standby and can fail the Microsoft WHQL requirement.
     
  38. nash35

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    Just saw that normally win32 apps are stopped by the system in connected sleep so the power drain issue lies probably with some metro apps.
    I have big doubts about skype for metro. I removed and installed the desktop version.
     
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    Wuurst, is it possible to change the motherboard in the future so you can change the 4 gig of ram???
    since it is attached to the motherboard..can the motherboard be changed too? (if I need 8 gig of ram instead of 4..)

    Much appreciated thank you!
     
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    Caleb615 Newbie

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    Has anyone upgraded to Windows 8.1 yet?

    It is currently available on TechNet and MSDN.
    I will admit to slight trepidations upgrading due to the number of Sony applications/drivers required to make this little honey run smoothly.
     
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    I have MSDN but I'd be very afraid to do anything to my Duo 13 baby as it runs so well with he exception of the %$^&%%& WIFI issue...
     
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    hey guys, got my Vaio Duo 13 today! i was expecting it to arrive next week but it only took less than 36 hours from Nagano, Japan to my place here in New York, amazing!!!

    okay, so far i'm loving this device!! i got the i7-4650 with 8gb ram and 256gb ssd... i'm just kinda surprised with the fact that i "only" have 180gb free space; i, unfortunately, didn't choose the windows 8 pro with fresh install option... :(

    as for the wi-fi, i took it into the farthest part of our house which i'm guessing is about 40ft away and has like 3 walls in between... my PS Vita is struggling to connect sometimes and my ipod touch 4g would lose connection as well.. however, the duo 13 did fine with the connection; it had 1 to 2 bars which i'm fine with; as long as i can browse the web and watch videos... that was my only worry and it looks like the duo will be fine, which i hope will stay status quo lol...

    i do have two questions though, is it recommended to have fresh install? i do agree that the apps and programs here, some of them i don't need.. and i really kinda want to start at least 200gb "free"... how big of a usb stick should i buy to do recovery and is fresh install of windows 8 easy??

    one other thing, when i booted up for the first time, i went through the usual start up process with agreements to read and check yes, connect to the internet, make an account, etc... however, i noticed it never asked me for my time zone... when i went to desktop i noticed the time is set at PST (+8 UTC) which i'm guessing is the default.. when i did change the time in the settings, it was off by one hour and wasn't taking into account the fact that we're in daylight savings right now... was there a problem with the first boot or i just missed it?? after correcting the time, i noticed some of the files and at web, my time is still outdated, any help??

    thanks and i hope people respond to my queries... for the most part, these are just minor things and are, hopefully, easily addressable... i'm happy with my duo 13 right now and will probably write a more comprehensive review and impressions in about a week's time...

    pat
     
  43. saeedkunna

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    hello everyone I just joined the club today got my duo 13 with i5 CPU 4GB RAM 128SSD and I have playing with for the last 8 - 9 hours and here is my thoughts

    the screen is beautiful lovely color although I noticed a little bit leaking from down the screen by the edges (on black background) maybe its only mine

    nice viewing angle they could do better (its hard to view when you are not on a desk)

    keyboard is nice also noticed the backlight issue but its not a big deal don't like the track pad left and right buttons should've been on the side edges they are kind on the middle of the trackpad

    battery didn't last as I expected about six hours (browsing,emailing ,systems update and some youtube ) I was expecting more like 8 to 10 hours

    WIFI was realy bad (iam in hotel right now )not sure how far the router is but my other devices (ipad and htc one)all had full signal the vaio was like 2 bars - 3 bars and very bad speed the interesting part is now its working great after I upadated it throw vaio update (there was 5 updates including the wifi broadcam) now its full signal if I moved it could lose one bar but defiantly better I will do more tests tomorrow (yes before I update the wifi I did test connectin speed and it was like 2-4mb download speed and 4-6mb upload now its 24-30mb download and 16-24mb upload )
    so far I like this high price device :)
     
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    Wondering if Duo owners had any initial thoughts on the design of the new Vaio Flip. Compared to the Duo, the Flip's design seems skewed mostly towards laptop use vs tablet use, whereas the Duo seems closer to 50/50. Based on that, my personal preference would be the Flip, but the shallow part of me says the Duo's slider mechanism is more elegant and looks much cooler in action.

    Sony Vaio Fit Multi-Flip Hands-On, Details, Photos « Ultrabook News and the Ultrabook Database

    I'd also like to hear from Duo owners who dislike, or used to dislike, tablets in general, and if the Duo changed your perspective on tablets. I currently don't have much tolerance for tablets except while on the toilet. It seems like a bit of a waste for someone like me to get the Duo, but I like the size and 4650U cpu option. And maybe, just maybe, the Duo's power and large screen will make me like using it as a tablet too.
     
  46. heavenly_wild

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    That's pretty decent. Good to hear some positive news about the wifi.
     
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    I had (and sold) a 7" inch Kindle Fire HD. I barely ever used it, probably because my 5.5" phone took its place. I didn't really think I needed/wanted a tablet, but perhaps a bigger one would have been ideal I thought. In the market for a laptop, I didn't want two separate devices, so I opted for two in one, hence the duo. I use it more as a laptop which is perfectly all right for me. It opens extremely quickly (due to the hinge), and I can do things in a pinch. But when I want to use it as a tablet, albeit a heavy one, it's actually great. I take notes with the pen, watch videos, use it on the couch, walk with it, draw, read (eTextBooks), and—sometimes—browse with it all in tablet mode. Did it change my perspective on tablets? Well, convertible tablets aren't your typical tablets... They sport beefy specs that mainstream tablets don't, and with full-blown Windows. I don't see much use for iPads, or Surface RT, or even tablets running on android outside of media consumption. But if you have an 8gig RAM, Windows 8, active digitized (and the N-Trig is actually amazing in this) 13" "tablet," it becomes something different and a lot more useful than that which is conventionally marketed as a tablet. There's a reason for this, however: IT IS NOT CHEAP.

    So yeah. I love my Duo 13. No WiFi issues on my end, I've even gotten up to 65 Mbps on my home network, and what I would expect on outside networks. Yet, I am going to ask for new one or a repair because as I stated earlier in this thread, MY G KEY DOESN'T WORK RIGHT. Sorry for my caps, but it's infuriating. I have none of the issues most people seem to, and one issue no one does.

    I don't like the Flip. It seems awkward. That could be just my Duo 13 bias, but eh.
     
  48. Blasphemy58

    Blasphemy58 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I already have the Duo 13, but If I could, I'd rather get the Flip. It really depends on reviews of the hinge, because the Duo 13's hinge is VERY sturdy. If the hinge on the Flip is good though, I think it is generally more innovative and less compromised than the Duo 13's design. With the Flip, you can get the full range of screen angles in traditional laptop mode, plus the tablet and "viewing" modes, all with a larger touchpad and a lighter chassis (13" Flip: 2.5 lbs vs 13" Duo: 2.93 lbs).

    If I were on the market today I would wait to get the 15" with the 2880*1620 display, 16 GB RAM, and integrated graphics, it looks like an amazing machine.
     
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    If the Vaio flip with a 15" display and 2,880 x 1620 display with active digitizer was available when I bought the Duo 13 I would have definitely bought the Flip instead.For my needs it is a better device.

    Spec wise my biggest issue with the Duo 13 is that it is limited to 1080P. I am constantly needing more pixels when I work on Outlook, Visual Studio, or Visio. This is the last computer I buy with a 1080P display. I love the Duo 13 just wish they had an option to pay more for a higher resolution display.

     
  50. molecularman

    molecularman Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hey guys. I searched the thread but couldn't find much in the way of laptop sleeves, screen protectors, and keyboard protectors. Is there a consensus that it's best to get Sony mad items?

    I got a sleeve from eBay for about $15 but it just looks like a sleeve with some foam. Would either of the sleeves in the following link be better or worth the price from Sony?

    Laptop Computer Bag | VAIO Laptop Sleeve | VGP-AMN1C13/B Review | Sony Store
    Sony VAIO Duo Bag | Slip Case for VAIO Duo 13 | VGPCK2 | Sony USA

    I was thinking about getting these screen and keyboard protectors from Amazon also.

    Amazon.com: Evecase Crystal Clear & Anti-Glare Matte Screen Protector Mix Set for Sony VAIO Duo 13 - 13.3'' Convertible Touchscreen Ultrabook (SVD13215PX, PXW, CXW, CXB) - 4 Pack: Computers & Accessories
    Amazon.com : GINOVO TPU Keyboard Cover Skin Protector for Sony Vaio DUO 11 : Computers & Accessories

    I had the Duo 13 for almost a week now and it's pretty awesome. Amazing battery life for the weight and functionality.
     
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