Keyboard "marked" on your tz screen?

I read somewhere here that somebody had that problem... Im actually using the cloth when I close the lid. what I do is I extend the cloth accross the keyboard and then close it. Anyone else doing this?

 

I have heard of that happening with some older Macs ... better safe than sorry.

 

I know! thats why I always have the cloth with me but has this happened to anyone else with a TZ?

 

i think it was Ubercool who had this...

 

Is Uber here? How bad is it? Can you notice it when the computer is on?

 

I always spread the cloth across the keys too. I did notice that even the cloth leaves a faint mark on the screen (from where the cloth was originally folded in three segments). However it is impossible to see when the screen is on, and near impossible to see when off except under harsh light and at a certain angle.

It can be removed completely by using the excellent lcd cleaning cloth that comes with the separate Vaio cleaning kit.

 

If I dont use the cloth.. And have the keys marked on my screen... Could I remove them with that vaio cleaning kit??

 

I couldn't say for sure - the cloth in the cleaning kit is a thick very soft material and does a great job of removing grease and fingerprints - I think as long as the marks you have are not scratches they should wipe off fine.

 

I hope I never get my screen marked.. its so gorgeous. Thanks for the info. I think Ill buy the cleaning kit now

 

why not just use a screen protector like the ones used on cell phones? wouldn't that be a more elegant and hassle free solution?

 

Did you ever end up finding one, Outrigger?

 

where can I get one?

 

Most ultraportables and thin and lights have the keyboard touches lcd "problem" since most of these notebooks all strive to be as thin as possible, thus leading to a smaller gap between the keyboard and lcd (as well as thinner lcd covers).

How big of a problem is this? Well, for a glossy screen this usually means that on dark colours, you might see the marks in the reflection at certain angles. In a bright sunlit room, it will be a little more noticeable since the screen reflects more. I can't remember how bad it was on my old matte screen, but I don't remember it being a big problem.

This is all from experience with my TX850. At first the keys just leave oil marks that can be wiped away with a microfiber cloth, but after a few months, the abrasion becomes permanent. Note that it's just a very small mark and you don't notice it 99% of the time when the LCD is on. I now use a microfiber cloth (a thin 5" square one that came with my glasses) that just covers the small area the keyboard does touch. It still does leave marks (since the cloth touches the lcd now), but I don't have to wipe away the oil marks as often now. Overall, I don't think it's a huge problem, but I wish manufacturers would put more rubber feet around the panel to keep the LCD from rubbing against the chassis.

 

I bought some nylon stoppers that u get at the hardware store and put it on my tz. works great, but kinda ugly.

 

For me these are working fine so far...

http://www.shaggymac.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_5&products_id=91

 

quite embarassing that they still have these kind of problems, you would think manufactures have learned from more than 10 years of this

 

the problem is that they can't make the lcd rigid enough not to bend under pressure from books and other things you might carry with your notebook. if they did make it rigid enough, it would no longer be thin and light.

on most notebooks, the keys don't touch the screen without external pressure on the lid when it's closed.

on my tx, i bought a pack of microfiber towels from the auto care section at target, and cut it to fit. $3.50 for a pack of 2.

 

The Fujitsu P7120 does a pretty job of keeping the LCD off the keyboard, but then again it's a lot thicker (both LCD and notebook).

 

No you can't, but they turned out to be keyboard grease marks more than anything else, so by cleaning it carefully I got the impressions off. But then you wonder why that should happen at all.

 

So you dont have problems anymore? Because I take care of my TZ as if it was my child!

 

Nice Suggestion. But I think it's hard to find a protector like that or possible
if its custom made.

 

Why not just use the foamy insert thing it came with? that's what i've been using.

 

guys! its okay to have some marks. I don't think its a big issue.!

I've had my TZ for about 1week+ now, my TZ screen is already very dirty. This is because I tend to point and touch with my finger. Well, its part of who I am (or, more like a habbit!)
Beside, these LED screens are supposed to be much tougher than the traditional (LCD) ones.

so, unless somewhat you are shoving TZ into some very small bag, or somehow putting a hard pressure on the lid, I wouldnt bother.

btw, when you look at TZ side-way, you should 'see' a gap, I see at least 1mm of gaps, (even when I give some pressure on the lid, I still see gaps)
So I am not sure 'where abouts' those Keyboard marks are appearing?
Are they in the center of screen? or top? if its on the top or bottom, I can you can possibly add say.. couple of tapes to 'further' increase the gaps.
If the marks are in the middle, then there must be some pressure on your center of lid, either by some hard pressure...

 

Maybe and maybe not... its WAY to early to tell. I have an old Sony XG39 which had a separate removable glass cover over the display. It had a MUCH larger gap than my current Sony FZ. Over the years of use it developed PERMANENT marks from the keyboard touching the glass cover. They can not be removed. Now that particular machine had a keyboard that was higher than the surrounding plastic case but it also had some substantial rubber bumpers on either side of the keyboard in an engineering ATTEMPT to prevent the keys from contacting the screen. That attempt was an abject failure due to the compliance of the rubber and the flex in the display and frame.

The point is, a little "preventative measure" is not a bad idea at all. I am heading to the automotive department at Target this weekend in search of the microfiber cloths mentioned above! Finger marks, smudges, Coke splashes etc. are the norm, but to dismiss the concern of keyboard marks with "I don't think its a big issue" is ignoring the potential for problems.

Gary

 

If you want a super-thin, super-light laptop, then there are tradeoffs -- this is one of them. Personally, for my TXN25N, I cut a piece of kitchen paper towel to size, and I always lay it over the keyboard before putting the laptop in a bag -- after several weeks, it still works great! (Just closing the lid doesn't seem to be a problem, I guess it needs a little pressure to make it touch.) I wish I'd kept some of that pink "anti-static" foam, I guess it would have been ideal; but now I'm ordering one of these.

 

Paper towels are a TERRIBLE idea. They are much too abrasive, they are worse than no protection at all. I am not sure about the anti-static foam either. I just pulled the one I have out of the shipping container I'd stashed in the basement. For one time transportation where it had no chance of sliding around it was fine, but for every day use, it too seems a bit abrasive. But I am not sure about that. The paper towel thing I am CERTAIN about. I've seen photographers and astronomers go into apoplectic shock watching someone break out a paper towel to clean a lens.

Now the microfiber cloths like the one you mentioned you are going to order (or like the ones from Target mentioned above) are great. They are PERFECT for this use.

Gary

 

I certainly wouldn't ever try to clean or wipe the screen with paper; but it seems to have worked OK as a protector (without movement). Still, you make a good point. The fibre cloth is probably the best way to go.

 

If any of you are going to order a Shaggymac protector, make sure that you buy a custom model that covers the bezel as well (use the bezel length and width for measurements). It's very annoying always having to center a smaller version Shaggymac that only protects the screen.

Here's a comparison between the 13.3" Shaggymac and custom made Shaggymac on my SZ. Imagine how much of an annoyance it would be to always having to position the 13.3" Shaggymac the right way.

13.3" Shaggymac:


Custom made Shaggymac:

 

I guess that depends on which machine you have. ...big ol' grin...

The 15.4" wide screen one looks as if it will fit the FZ as it is.

Gary