Dammit. Are there any 19x.xx Nvidia which are working without any issues in Z?
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Hmmm, I just read on one Czech board, that this problem is just in case of desktop computers, which has separate fan for GPU. Ppl who use it on notebooks don't have any problems...
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Yeah seems to be primarily related to fan issues. I just found 196.86 which includes the long awaited DPC Latency fixes that I am going to check out. I prefer not to use drivers with known issues especially those pulled by Nvidia themselves.
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Well I've been using Dreamliner's driver with 191.66 without issue for the past week:
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Great, thanks, I'm on them for now then
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After going through some numerous posts in this thread, I'm still not quite sure what the hybrid graphics is all about... I have a Vaio Z790 and running perfectly, being able to switch from stamina-speed and vice versa... Anyone care to explain?
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Stamina mode just switches the intel integrated gpu on and uses that for graphics processing, which saves power. Speed mode switches to the discrete nvidia graphics cards, which gives better graphics performance, but uses more power. Usually notebooks just have one graphics card, but the vaio z has two, which you can choose from.
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I installed Dreamliner's driver 191.66 today in Windows 7 Enterrprise and it works well on my Z21; I have to report that after the setup end it stopped before reboot an I had to powerdown.
Now it's running in "test mode" because I had to self-sign the driver, just one question: "nvlddmkm.sys" and "igdkmd64.sys" should be already signed by nvidia and intel, why they need to be signed by me? I don't uderstand the signing process fo the single file related to the driver "bundle" in setup.
@Nautis: '19166_win7x64_hybgfx.exe' in your web repository is the same as Dreamliner's 'Nautis_9166_1994.rar' ?
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The switch that the Vaio Z uses is part of Hybrid Graphics or as Nvidia has been calling it recently Switchable Graphics. If you read my first post it explains a bit more of what Hybrid Graphics is. What Sony has done is use a physical hardware switch (the speed stamina switch) and disabled the Hybrid Graphics User Interface to allow switching between Speed (The Nvidia GPU) and Stamina (The Intel GPU). So the Vaio Z actually contains two separate graphics processing units (GPUS) that can be switched between. The Intel GPU (Stamina) uses a bit less power and therefore less battery than the Nvidia GPU (Speed). Hope this info helps.
Not sure why it would have "stopped". You might want to try to reinstall it.
I assume you know why the drivers have to be signed in the first place. The reason most modified drivers need to be resigned is because the INF is usually part of the certificate. This means if the default INF is changed the certificate is invalid. The INF is usually what is modified in modified drivers. In the case of our Hybrid Graphics we have a unique driver package anyways which contains both sets of drivers. A driver signature certificate usually contains all files that will be installed with a driver. So there you go a couple of reasons really.
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How did you install those?
everytime i try it, setup ends, laptop reboots and when rebooted, no stamina/speed light goes on and i have a crappy resolution (800x640 or some..)
and when i check at devices there is a yellow "?" near the nivdia and intel device..
Can anyone help me..?
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I forgot where this information is from as I have it saved in a text file.
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Got the driver installed now, but no switching lights.. do u guys got the light on?
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I needed to switch once with the icon in system tray and the light went on. The drivers seems to work well.
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I don't see any switching icons in the system tray..
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Ehm...control question. Did you install the drivers in test mode and did you sign them? Are you sure they installed well? Nautis always turns on this feature for switching between graphics cards through tray icon.
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Hello. I have some questions about vaio z graphic, so could you explain me some things:
1. Firstly, when I work in speed mode I can see that both of graphic adapters are recognized in device manager. Is it normal or not? Does every of them consume the power or only the active one(nvidia)?
2. Secondly, when I change video mode in BIOS to static I see only one adapter in every mode - intel in stamina and nvidia in speed. Does it mean that in this mode adapters work independently or not? Can I use nvidia unmodified drivers in that case? With sony drivers I'm not allowed to control screen brightness anymore neither in the stamina nor in the speed mode.
3. What are the advantages of custom drivers(like Nautis drivers)? Do I get more fps in games or some new options are available or it consume less power or something else?
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I recently started experiencing very high graphics temperatures when using HDMI in speed mode (1920x1200 on the external LCD). I'm running windows 7 pro 32 bit with the standard sony drivers on a vgn-z590. Does anyone know a fix for this?
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Make sure that Powermiser is enabled. Search for 'powermiser switch.'
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powermizer is on, when I disconnect the HDMI display the core clock drops to 170 MHz. When I put the display back on it goes up to 580 MHz again and the temp begins to climb. I haven't used the external monitor since I installed windows 7 but when I bought the laptop and used vista it worked fine. Also, if I switch to the Intel card and use VGA (poor quality image but same resolution) I have no heating problems.
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When you are using VGA, the nVidia card does not have to ba active. When using HDMI, that output comes directly from the nVidia card regardless of which drivers are being used.
Are you using Nautis' or Dox's drivers or stock?
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I'm using the stock 32 bit Windows 7 drivers from Sony. Where do I get the nautis drivers? I tried installing the dox drivers but I was having trouble
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Try the Vista ones first.
Nautis' drivers are throughout this thread, pretty much. With Nautis' and Dox's drivers you will need to do the following: http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/24041-install-procedure-for-hybrid-graphics-x64/ -
Nautis:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/optimus_win7_x64_notebook_189.42.html
"Fixes incompatibility issue with Intel IGP (March) driver" ?
Well, it's already been posted everywhere.
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Yeah to many peoples dismay I haven't done a 32bit set in a while. I am hoping to get some new sets built soon. Most drivers recently have had issues in one form or another in a Hybrid Graphics package.
Yeah these are Optimus drivers. Optimus has/will be making our Hybrid Graphics setup obsolete. One of the benefits to Optimus is Nvidia will be releasing drivers and there is no more need for a combined Intel/Nvidia driver. I have been trying to see if I can get Optimus working on our Hybrid Graphics setups without any success thus far. These drivers will work for us in the traditional Hybrid Graphics package though. Let me look at these and see how well they function.
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Is this only for a Sony, or with my Benq s42 is the Optimus drivers likely to work straight away? Win 7 x64.
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Hopefully for all Hybrid Power notebooks.
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After some time of use, I have to say I love the new Nvidia driver. It supports multiple resolutions, and with slightly overclocked GPU I'm able to play Prototype on Fullscreen with medium settings, while I was not nearly able to play it at all with old driver.
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Optimus should be possible with the 330M, but you would have to set the multiplexer to output only from the IGP.
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Basically we would be in Stamina mode all the time with the nVidia GPU supplementing the Intel GPU according to profile.. (cough Optimus) :C
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Just to get it right... given a notebook which has already hybrid graphics (like the new Z series with HD Graphics / GT 330 M) but no (official) Optimus support can be 'upgraded' to Optimus technology just by upgrading some piece of software (as the 330 M should already have the hardware part of Optimus)?
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The way Optimus works is that the output always comes from the IGP's framebuffer in system memory, but when the discrete graphics is in use the output of the discrete graphics is copied into the framebuffer.
As such, all that is required for Optimus is a system with an Optimus-capable GPU - the 330M qualifies - that can output from the IGP, which the Sony can obviously do.
Getting Optimus to work on the VAIO Z would be a matter of setting it up such that the system outputs from the IGP (i.e. Stamina mode) but at the same time the Optimus driver gets to control whether or not the GPU is active. -
But this is what the Optimus driver is supposed to do anyways (which is part of the the offical graphics card driver i guess) so the answer is obviously "yes".
This is pretty good, because this would mean that we are able to use official nVidia drivers and we are not depedent on modified one's (and Sony's good will to update them). -
This seems to be the case according to all of the information I have read. It seems both GPUs would have to be enabled in a way that Windows 7 would recognize both of them at the same time in order for it to work. With my old VGN Vaio Z when you force the default Intel drivers (mGPU) the Nvidia device (dGPU) no longer shows up in device manager. I'm not sure if this is the case with the new Vaio Zs.
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The only hardware Optimus needs is the Optimus Copy Engine on the GPU, which is present on all of Nvidia's 40nm mobile GPUs, and the ability to output from the IGP. Unlike previous versions, Windows 7 allows multiple graphics drivers to be present at once, which is the crucial step forward in software.
If you were trying to get Optimus to work, I think the first step would be to get it to work with IGP only using the standard Intel drivers; then you could stick Optimus over the top of that. The only potential problem is that the Optimus drivers might not be able to switch on the GPU because of conflicts with other drivers. -
Well since I am stuck with my broken old model, I guess that is a question for those that have the VPCZ1. What happens when you install just the Intel Graphics drivers? Does a second video device still show up in device manager?
I completely agree that in theory there is no reason that it shouldn't work.
The only real thing I see explaining about the optimus copy engine is from the Nvidia Optimus Whitepaper and says:
"Traditionally, mem2mem DMA transfers are performed by the 3D engine. To preserve coherency, the 3D engine is blocked from rendering until the mem2mem transfer completes. This time-consuming (synchronous) DMA operation can stall the 3D engine and have a negative impact upon performance. The new Optimus Copy Engine relies on the bidirectional bandwidth of the PCI Express bus to allow simultaneous 3D rendering and copying of display data from the GPU framebuffer to the main memory area used as the IGP framebuffer."
So the only thing I can see is that the copy engine allows for mem2mem transfers and rendering at the same time. That last sentence still sounds like a software/driver feature rather than hardware to me though. -
From AnandTech's Optimus article:
So yeah, it would be possible without the Optimus Copy Engine, but the 3D Engine would have to spend 3ms every frame outputting the data, which is a lot considering that 60 FPS is 1 frame every 16.67ms. -
Got it. Thanks lackofcheese.
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Here's an image from device maanger on the new Z. It shows both the Intel and the nVidia card in device manager. Unfortunately the graphics switch is not in the picture, so can't see what mode it is in. However, this image in the same gallery shows the graphics switch set to Stamina mode.
This is promising.
Less promising is this quote from this review:
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New drivers were JUST released today and now there is official support for the 330m among lots of improvements.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp64_197.13.html
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Interesting that they say they tried the Optimus drivers. They weren't modded by me though.
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Have we quite established if it's just the two drivers - intel and nvidia, or could there be a third driver, like a general Optimus backbone?
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I have already dissected the drivers, its the first thing I did when they came out. Unlike our Hybrid Graphics driver package Optimus is a standard Nvidia driver with no Intel drivers included.
Optimus includes the following new files:
nvcoproc.bin
nvinitx.dll
nvinit.dll
nvumdshimx.dll
nvumdshim.dll
easyUpdatusAPIU64.dll
updatussetup.exe
With most of these the function can be guessed by the filename and by paying attention to how Optimus works. Init for initilization? shim for framebuffer injection? CoProc for CoProcessor? Updatus is the part of the drivers that handles online profile updates for the optimus drivers. As explained in the optimus whitepaper:
"Before an application has an Optimus Profile, NVIDIA runs the application through a series of verification and validation processes to ensure the highest quality and experience. Once validated, the updated Profiles are hosted on an NVIDIA web server and then automatically pushed out to the end user. Should the user not want automatic updates, they can disable this feature within the NVIDIA Control Panel."
The bad drivers nvidia released had all of the included files with the exception of updatussetup.exe. The latest drivers 197.13 are missing the shim, init and updatussetup.exe files but have the rest. The assumption on my part is that most if not all of the new drivers will have some form of optimus support built in. It will most likely be a case of basic driver modding like is done with most standard notebooks for nvidia drivers already. -
As nVidia expects more than 50 Optimus-enabled notebooks by mid 2010 there has to be some kind of mainline graphics driver with builtin optimus support - as they will not break up with their unified driver architecture by having several different Optimus drivers.
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Hey namaiki, the 186.88 drivers which you recommended are brilliant. But I was wondering if you have experienced a problem of the laptop's screen not lighting up after waking from sleep.
This happened to me a few times. after closing the lid and putting the laptop to sleep, i flip it back up, the power button changes back to blue but there's no display on the screen. weird. -
Never happened to me. These drivers are so stable that they're even kind of boring. jk
Try uninstall the drivers, then go into safe mode and use a driver cleaner for intel and nvidia graphics. -
will do. thanks!
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excellent work ...these are the questions that are mostly unanswered in reviews . are there any linux issues ?? linux must be using intel only
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Yesm, I think you have to force one or the other graphics adaptor in the BIOS.
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Ok by the sound of it then I can't just install stock Optimus drivers onto my Benq s42 Win 7x64 yet. Will wait for word. Seems like an Optimus system might be the next buy to be able to game and save power.
My discoveries on Vaio Zs Hybrid Graphics
Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony' started by Nautis, Jan 16, 2009.