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    Need some clarification VAIO SZ and VAIO Z

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony' started by moofo, Dec 13, 2009.

  1. moofo

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    Correct me if I'm wrong tks

    To my understanding Z is an upgrade of SZ? And VAIO Z uses VAIO_MODE_SWITCH which is on the fly unlike VAIO SZ which needs to reboot/restart to make the switch happen?

    If so, are VAIO SZ model able to use the VAIO_MODE_SWITCH drivers on the Z models?

    I still don't quite understand how this whole switching of the graphics card works. I have read recently, it must be with compatible drives ie Intell-Geforce for the switch or even motherboard to acknowledge it. If so can someone recomend me an intell - geforce drivers which will make my switch work. I have tried many combo but none seems to work, even with the original drivers

    my model is VAIO VGN SZ58GN/C

    edit: is the below correct? or should it be Mobile Intel(R) PM965/GM965/GL960 PCI Express Root Port - 2A01

    Location PCI bus 0, device 0, function 0
    Mobile Intel(R) PM965/GM965/GL960 Express Processor to DRAM Controller - 2A00
    PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2A00&SUBSYS_9008104D&REV_0C\3&33FD14CA&0&00
     
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    Well, the Z is the successor of the SZ.

    The Z can "hot swap" due to hardware developments.
    For the SZ, as far as I am aware any Intel driver for the X3100 would work, but they run VERY hot...
    (crashing the X3100 on my SZ7 even...)
     
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    Thanks for replying

    Do you have any drivers to recomend I can use?

    Still trying to figure out why I can't "hot swap" when switching to speed mode =/
     
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    I'd suggest using the Sony drivers.

    The SZ can't hot swap as it wasn't built into the hardware.
     
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    Opps sorry, what I actually meant by "hot swap" is when switching to speed mode and clicking restart, the comp won't even boot to the bios screen after shutting down and restarting but everything is running

    I can't figured out why :(
     
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    Aha.
    Well, hot swapping = switching cards while on.

    So it doesn't boot on the NVidia?

    That would be strange - it would boot without drivers, just give you a pretty much blank screen.
    You instal NVidia drivers running the NVidia card, and Intel drivers running the Intel card.
     
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    That was my understanding too, but it just won't boot at all and I have been looking around the web now trying anything to make it work for a months >.<

    It detects both adapters in stamina mode but it just won't boot in speed mode

    Any wisdom you can past down to me? :D
     
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    It detects both adapters in Stamina mode?

    That is wrong for an SZ - in Stamina it should only see the Intel card...
     
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    Well when I uninstall it, it shows both - then when restart and reinstall one of the unknown devices it gives me 2 intell 965 adapters, also was because I had "show hidden" enable took a print screen displaypic

    I was wondering, since I only have 2x USB ports and in my device manager shows me I have "more" then 2, is that normal? I got a feeling, after few BSOD and many multiple recovery I might have lost alot of drivers and they are just dummy devices loaded in automatically by windows (2 screen shot)

    i hate DEP.. keeps closing my IE.. =/

    thanks for replying, apperciate it alot :)
     

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    pretty neat stuff you do :)

    ever plan to do acural science? not sure if the topics you listed covers it, some does :p

    btw, i always wanted to visit germany and take a spin on autobahn :D is still in my top 10 things to do, was close to germany last year but never had to time to drop by for a day or two plus missing world cup in germany was sad enuff :(
     
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    The Dual Intel card is strange... my old laptop used to do that, my SZ only shows 1.

    The multiple USB is internal - things like your cad reader are internally connected via USB - the CD drive is either USB or SATA - internally, so that is OK and should be like that.

    If you are doing recoverys (to the initial state) then everything is installed from scratch - so there shouldn't be a problem like lost drivers.

    Data Execution prevention on IE sounds bad though - that shouldn't happen.

    Download Malwarebytes and do a malware scan.
    (Malware shouldn't affect your Graphics card though - not at boot anyway)

    Which gives me an idea - can you get into the BIOS on both cards?


    I assume you mean my maths website? I'd rather go towards engineering + maths.
     
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    I can't get to the BIOS on speed mode, when switching to speed mode, it restarts but no beep to the bios. The power, wireless, bluetooth LEDs are still lighted and before it loads to BIOS it usually lights up the cap,num lock LED and stops there but when I place my ear on the keyboard I hear the hard disk running
     
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    Unable to start a DCOM Server: {C2BFE331-6739-4270-86C9-493D9A04CD38}. The error: "2"
    Happened while starting this command:
    C:\Windows\system32\igfxsrvc.exe -Embedding

    The content source <csc://{s-1-5-21-1423286082-3545590281-3251048975-1003}/> cannot be accessed.

    Context: Application, SystemIndex Catalog

    Details: The object was not found. (0x80041201)

    Your computer was not able to renew its address from the network (from the DHCP Server) for the Network Card with network address 001B77EB8EA3. The following error occurred:
    The operation was canceled by the user.. Your computer will continue to try and obtain an address on its own from the network address (DHCP) server.

    Fault bucket 34709638, type 5
    Event Name: PnPDriverNotFound
    Response: http://oca.microsoft.com/resredir.aspx?SID=7037&iBucketTable=5&iBucket=34709638
    Cab Id: 0
    Problem signature:
    P1: x86
    P2: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2A03&SUBSYS_9008104D&REV_0C
    Attached files:
    C:\Users\moofo\AppData\Local\Temp\DMI8BDA.tmp.log.xml

    Windows Firewall was unable to notify the user that it blocked an application from accepting incoming connections on the network.

    Error Code: 2



    That is all the error I got (i think) when Speed mode is trying to boot up after restart. Can it be fix? :)
     
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    Well, the fact that Speed mode won't get into the BIOS sounds like something died :(

    Have you got a monitor or projector that you can test the VGA out on?
     
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    Yes I have tested and left it running on multi monitor for a week, as long as the display adapters have working drivers I can setup multi display no problems

    If you don't mind, can you please check in your system devices:

    1. Do you have ACPI Fixed Feature Button, if so can you let me know the Location XX, XX, XX pls :)

    2. In the IDE ATA/ATAPI section, I have Intel(R) ICH8M 3 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 2828 which I realise most I have seen in google have thiers classified as
    Intel(R) 82801HEM/HBM SATA AHCI Controller, if so then I think I need to download the magic something from Intell to enable AHCI?

    3. For my IEEE 1394 Bus is this correct -> Sony 8032 OHCI i.LINK(IEEE 1394) PCI Host Controller , if not please advise

    4. In the System device, I have Mobile Intel(R) PM965/GM965/GL960 Express Processor to DRAM Controller - 2A00, is that right or should it be the PCI express root - 2A01?

    5. Intel(R) ICH8M-E LPC Interface Controller - 2815 , What does the E stands for? I manage to figure out LPC is Lower Pin Count. So I was wondering if this should probrably be the Nvidia nforce4 Low Pin Count Controller?

    6. Programmable Interrupt Controller in system device, should be Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller? As I just read somewhere if I didn't mistaken it by it's port to be the "switch" and is pick up tags are MBRES (master boot ready enhance system? LOL, gawd I love trying to figured out everything with 0 base knowledge) but then I read that SPIF was also responsible for this "switch".. so confusing

    7. Texas Instruments PCI-8x12/7x12/6x12 CardBus Controller <-- Is this correct? Got a feeling is classified wrongly

    and lastly

    8. PCI bus 0, device 30, function 0 , Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge - 2448 - My notes are kind of messy now, trying to do a crash 101 on VAIO and hopefully ending up with a PHD :p but I recall Device 30 Function 0 has some significant role to the Geforce adapter and so happen I have bum to few people who also has mention 2448 being the Geforce. So Im just wondering if this device is classified correctly hehe >.<

    Anyway sorry for all the funny questions, I'm not sure if the name of the device even plays a role to getting my geforce to boot up cause I been looking thru my devices and quite a number has NO_DRV in the inf , which I think is kind of weird

    No worries if you can't answer them all now, cause I doubt I gave enough info regarding each question

    Cheers :)

    ps: I read in the manual and it said something about activating or upgrading my Geforce if I can setup multiple display but I tried and couldn't figured how. Just having my taskbar fill with mini tabs of google browsing for answers to everything lol - sad thing is I see alot of linux coming up in my searches only
     
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    Then its a problem with the connection between the graphics card and the screen.

    (You are saying an external screen runs on Stamina AND Speed?)
     
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    32-bit Floppy Configuration Utility
    Creates floppy disk for 32-bit OS with Intel® Matrix Storage Manager 8.8.0.1009 files - used to preinstall RAID driver (F6 during Windows* setup).

    Do I need to have this install?
     
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    Couldn't see why. Not connected to the display adapters.
     
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    If both adapters are install with intell then I assume it runs on Stamina and Speed but only Stamina led is lighted.

    I have read that in Stamina mode, we can't do so is because Stamina mode does not support DVI output or something which is quite common in the europe and us sites I come across. Especially when people use thier docking stations but my port is not a DVI

    Display Output Connector Analogue RGB, mini D-sub 15pin x 1

    So I guess is possible for me to setup multiple display in any mode? I also taken a print screen of my manual give instrustions how to setup multiple display in both modes just to make sure my lack of understanding written instructions hasn't gone from bad to worst lol :) I just can't remember where in the manual it states I'm able to fix/setup my Speed mode.
     

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    Why not just use your recovery disc and forget about scan disk for now?
    I'm referring to your other thread where you mentioned you tried to do a clean install with your recovery discs but ran into a problem with scan disk.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=442235
     
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    Your Output is VGA - work in either speed or stamina - hit Fn + F7 to change modes.
     
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    I can try recovering the whole system again but my problem never gets solve. The switch to speed mode then restart and comp is about to boot with the led blinking sign but just doesn't. As I have mention is been a year already (from my previous thread) I haven't been able to switch to speed mode. On a good month I would only have to about 3 at most recovery to clean up all the mess I have done to try and fix it.

    Im just being denial with Sony Service Centre here, as I bought this notebook in dec'07, and close to mid'08 I had to send in for repair cause the fan didn't stop rattling for about 2 months and the noise wasn't the scary part, it was the sharp frequency spining effect it made which would make you drop on our knees hearing it for 10-20secs. Then till dec'08 I had to change the FAN again another 2 times and I wasn't happy with thier answer when I ask them if my notebook could be faulty as that wasn't only the issue they had to fix. They told me I didn't maintain it well and strongly recommend I do so as my warranty is going to expire.

    That was "epic". Less then a year old and thier "premium" model couldn't have been defective but is the customers fault. I mean seriously, how else to maintain it when they have stickers holding the notebook togather instead of screws, making sure you don't void the warranty. Best part is the parts are under warranty and I still had to pay for "premium" labour. Since that day I didn't go back and have no problems with my fan. Well maybe a blessing in disguise another BSOD early this year gave me this problem with my geforce and I have just been playing my game with my intell card plus I can't remember when was the last time I turn it off for more then 5minutes unless Im travelling. Is practically on 24/7 with the same batteries on the day of purchase. I don't live in the 4 season country either, is hot all year round here :) I do have air condition but when Im out with my gf, the ac is off with the notebook on lol :)

    argh! just still bitter from that day! bad customer service, and Sony Asia not stepping up on the faulty geforce chips? ugh spikes me more. I had a international warranty but unfortunately for me, during my business trip to belgium/dubai/UK they didn't gurantee it plus they need some time to excess problem and my trips were short stays. Now the international warranty is gone and all I have is 2yrs of bad sony service. Good thing I use to play one game only

    hate hate hate :) Well i did get both prada phones while in UK and almost an iPhone till I was told my chances of using it back at my country was as good as 0%, so I had to buy my iPhone locally which I did >.<

    <- sucker for technology
     
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    But overall, Im gonna thank Sony for this "epic" notebook. TBH fixing the speed mode to have better lag playing my game was a silly reason I gave myself. I have another 2 newer note books :p which sums up all 3 to be under 5 kilogram for travelling purposes. I have one for my work and another belongs to my gf, which I have to partly loan at times to play my game >.<

    what insipire me was picking up a new hobby then wasting my money on stupid gimmick gadgets (oh gosh look at my nokia N series collection in thier packaging still, I feel I was once young and naive, maybe still am but idc! :p) I did read the entire SZ thread, haven't really been thru all the threads here but looking at what you guys do to your notebooks just blew me off my chair :) So far the most epic post I have read was racheal trying to upgrade her intell chip when it wasn't much of an upgrade but for whatever her reasons are, she mention "to hold on to her comp longer" something along those lines, plug a screw back into my head and I decided to try and fix this VAIO speed mode then doing a full over haul ie new rams, hard disk, intell chip, key board, and definately if is possible NEW GRAPHICS card :p .. plus I'm gonna ask my workers to make me some custom labels with my brand i will come up with and stick on it like how VAIO did to not void warranty when im done :D HAHAHAHAHA the joy and taught of it! I can't wait ^^
     
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    Lol, are you sure that was me? The only upgrade i have done to my SZ is upgrading the HD to an SSD drive.

    Have you tried just installing the OS with retail discs? You could just try W7. It seems like you could have some hardware problem. May be your graphics card is failing.
     
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    I'm planing to do a full clean install soon with OS retail disc. Just need sometime to document and implement what steps and process I want to use ensuring will be the last time I do a full system recovery or any sort of fresh installtion in the month(S) to come lol

    I have ran many same and different dyanostic test on the whole system hardware, haven't got once an error beside the hardware not responding due to windows disabling it since it did not have a working driver install

    On a good note, I just manage to speed up my pace and started to learn how to use the Event logs and few other utilies and transfering the info into documenting a documenting sheet to view by Time since I realise some logs were looping in milisecs. As I had no clue what is happening from the second I switch SPEED mode then clicking restart,I figured documenting all logs it recieve and lettingit run till the beeping sound starts, which I would think is asking me to force shutdown or is going to fry so bad from the inside since it is stuck right before a BIOS screen boot (which I made preparations I can't fall asleep or I won't have my mini project to fix and that would be bad). I did the data collection once every hour for 3 hours so I have a good set of notes to compare with and hopefully have some valuable info I can use to fix this issue.

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    didn't realise I never click post lol, oh well, still in the midist of anaylzing my data and just had lunch, so Im all charge up

    I find this learning process pretty neat

    will be back with reports! :p

    cheers
     
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    Ah that, i thought you meant my wifi card and that never worked out. :)

    There is someone that had the same problem with you that had a similar laptop. They concluded that the Nvidia card was most likely faulty.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5211497&postcount=31

    If you cannot resolve this by using the recovery discs and also the retail discs then i do tend to agree that something is not right hardware wise.
    Let us know how you get on.
     
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    I realise my lack of knowledge on computers is so little that when the word IT comes into play, I feel like the bended pin on ur T9500 chip :p

    Well what Im trying to say is lol :p I bought a notebook by it's look! zomg! This Vista Business comes with servers and stuff which actually runs and Sony's tons of programs which came with the notebook has programs running like servers too! ROFL.. is funny I use to think is just a player but wowowowwowo

    Anyways I always been wondering why ppl who run linux are running so much lines like what we see in cmd, to use thier OS. Then when I see my error logs and event logs combine in a list and listing from top to bottom which log was reported first, I saw the thing as those linux users use to run and install thier program. Ironic I use to say, why make life so hard when you can have nice graphical UI, and here I am going back to the roots MS-DOS if that sounds right

    Anyway so I being the comp dummy, I don't have the know how to fix those lines or scripts. Thank god! I had to open Problems and Solution and click one button to send all the errors and see what solution/steps I can take to try and fix the error but Im not sure if it will fix problem

    So I got carry away in another thread and I should be continuing fixing up my errors soon and hopefully when no errors occur, the SPEED mode boots up :)

    Highlight of the aftertoon which I would want to share :p

    A request to disable the Desktop Window Manager was made by process (World of Warcraft Retail)

    The Desktop Window Manager was unable to start because composition was disabled by a running application

    The Desktop Window Manager did not start because an analysis of the hardware and configuration indicated that it would perform poorly
    Fault bucket 1311284406, type 1
    Event Name: APPCRASH
    Cab Id: 0
    Problem signature:
    P1: Explorer.EXE
    P2: 6.0.6002.18005


    I must say, I have never seen Windows having another program rejecting it because is a bad file or w/e, usually is the other round lol

    ps: I didnt send those log back to windows to find a solution for me, I felt it was reported wrongly as an error instead :p
     
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    It was the first thread I stop and read and like alot rather bitter why Asia isn't included :p I have plans to write an email to Sony Singapore which if not mistaken runs Sony Asia to query why isn't Asia included like the rest of the world, before I bring up my case. I rather save my time explaning to them what problems if they have "already" set thier foot down not to follow Sony US /Europe /Japan. Which comes back to a disturbing question "why", which I will make pretend the word "why" never exsist :p

    But something has caught my attention mins ago and I must go customise my new Z! I saw at the UK site! boooyah! Thou wasn't too long ago I was in UK for business and lesisure, but I do miss the donuts at harod's which I have pay thru my credit card O.O
     
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    PS: The "chip" you refer to is the "CPU" = "Central Processing Unit" - the "piece that does all the maths using 1 (on) and 0 (off)"
     
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    Is funny I can't seem to find my product being launch in 2007, when I mean product is not the product line of SZ but my specific model :p

    They list all the other other SZ and some has fishy archiving in the press room section like this one http://www.sony.com.my/pressrelease/asset/239378/section/productpressreleases

    If you notice the date of the article press realse is 07 July 2007 but scroll down to the 2nd last paragraph which will tell you something isn't right there

    The new VAIO SZ Series will be available from June 2007 at the suggested retail prices of RM5, 988.00, RM6, 988.00 and RM7, 988.00 respectively.

    All models SZ4 models is annouce but not SZ5, well I guess it could be a typo in the "press realease article". Good news to people having FZ in my country thou as I found thier product press realease in thier archive which tele's with the thread regarding sony comes clean on nvidia

    http://www.sony.com.my/pressrelease/asset/239381/section/productpressreleases

    Affected mobile models:
    GeForce 8400M G (released May, 2007)
    GeForce 8400M GS (released May, 2007)
    GeForce 8400M GT (released May, 2007)
    GeForce 8600M GS (released May, 2007)
    GeForce 8600M GT (released May, 2007)
    GeForce 8700M GT (released June, 2007)

    GeForce 8400M GS (SZ series)
    GeForce 8400M GT (FZ series)
    GeForce 8600M GT (AR series)
     
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    If someone else would have sed that, I would have gotten it the first time

    But when I read you posted it.. somehow binary registed into my head then I had to rethink is 1 0 not 101010XXXX :p

    Thanks thou :)
     
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    Okie, now this just boils me so bad now. Those desktop are equip with the Geforce 9 Series chip. What should I do? I barely know anyone who would spend so much on a laptop like me and I know alot of VAIO TT users only. UGH one man army equip with faulty SZ declares war >.< ETA 1sec


    http://www.sony.com.my/support/announcement/362183

    Notice for Owners of Sony VAIO JS4 Series All-in-one Desktop Personal Computers 26-11-2009

    Sony recently identified a minor quality issue involving a small percentage of the VAIO JS4 Series all-in-one desktop Personal Computer sold since October 22, 2009. When powering on or resuming from hibernation in a low temperature environment, the Personal Computer may not start properly.

    Models affected:
    VGC-JS45GF/P, VGC-JS45GF/Q, VGC-JS45GF/S, VGC-JS45LF/Q, VGC-JS43LF/P, VGC-JS45TF/P, VGC-JS45TF/Q, VGC-JS45SF/S, VGC-JS45SF/P

    Sony will be providing free repair for customers of the affected models if such models exhibit the above-mentioned symptoms.
     
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    Its a chip yes, but its a "GPU" a "graphics processing unit" - same as the CPU, but this does graphics only - and its better at handling graphics.
     
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    Yeah, I just when thru some articles regarding Integrated and GPU :)

    So now I'm wondering the faulty Nvidia is the GPU unit or Integrated?
     
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    Is on the GPU, mine is a GPU unit

    So i made calls today to my local Sony. They do not acknowledge or honor the claims made by other Sony around the wrold. They claims they do not carry faulty products like the rest and to top it off, they had me on hold and I think she panic on forgot to press "hold" button, over heard her asking her collegues to check out Sony gobal for such annoucement.

    So Im stuck now as they didn't even bother to ask me send it in for a check.
     
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    It took Sony ages to acknowledge the GPU flaw in the FZ and other models.

    If you could prove they sold damaged products you could try threatening to talk to a lawyer, TV etc. the thing is... it might not work...
     
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    You wrote before that you found an error connected to WOW. Obivously, you got nowhere with that.

    moofoo, like i mentioned before you should try with retail discs and report back if things are still the same.

    Also, what was like your usage like, how often did you use the dedicated card?
    Did you get any other signs before this just stopped working.
     
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    Is kind of hard in my situation. My local Sony here is partly own by few locals and they are my friend's parents >.< Bugging them about this when they don't even handle the operations is kind of rude plus they are share holders only. I have ask my coperate lawyer but I tend to agree that my model wasn't "hot cake" and was discontinue here. For them to practise "a recall" isn't what we would say "cost effective" for a handfull of customers. Any model which cost more then ~USD 2.5k not including all the stupid taxes my goverment has for import stuff (ie cars are roughtly has 300% tax) you can count with your fingers. Im still asking around who has one, and most of them I know who would can spend has the TT. Mine cost USD 3.5k (convertsation rate @ 3.5), and the SZ58GN without the /c was about USD 2.9k. The CR model was a hot cake product for them. Too bad for me, the buying power in my local market isn't all that great when the pirated market with "A class" status product is all over the place, barely anyone bothers with orginal products. We don't even have a Sony VAIO club here unlike other countries I have seen who has a Sony VAIO club website with a huge base of users and even better some has a Sony VAIO SZ club base! If I started one, would you be kind enough to hang out with me? Keep in mind, it would be just us looking at each other and err maybe rachel can come join us too? :p Isn't the first time this has happen to me, I barely get support from LG themself with my LG Prada phone which is why I switch to iPhone. I would rant alot at home and my gf would have her ears set to hear one side and goes out the other and Im already looking at few models I intend to buy, which I got a good feeling 2yrs down the road or maybe sooner I will ranting about poor support again. My life cycle isn't doing to well >.<

    When i bought it, first 3 months was superb. Then came the fan problems which they replace under warranty but I had to pay for labour (lame). I got BSOD as frequent as my gf's monthly. Black screen, Im still getting them now too, especially when Im trying to install the graphic drivers even for the intell drivers. I understand that the screen will shut down couple of times when installing the drivers for the monitor to adjust or something, but mine is total shut off since I did left it there for a day and the screen didn't turn back on but the computer is still on with my music player running just to tell me if it shut down.

    The damage fan which unfortunately I threw it away, had some black/grey coating on it, which I think is the thermal paste which clough the fan till the bearings gave way cause there is werid "burn" markings on the bronze part of my laptop which I suspect is the thremal paste or something must have been badly fry and smear all over. Im not sure what is it call but if not mistaken it transfer heat away. Is quite easy to see it, as you open the back piece and is the bronze shinny looking thing which looks like is connected from the graphics fan all the way to the centre which Im not sure what is underneath there. Markings are still very visible.

    My usage is pretty simple, hence I got two notebooks. One for daily usage for work and one which Im using now to browse info to fix my geforce. I only have it on dedicated when it was working during the first 3 months and only because I use it to play my game only, not sure how usage would kill it since it is also a GPU unit and not intergrated. After they fix the fan, the problem didn't go away and a BSOD kill it, wasn't able to get back on SPEED mode and have been using stamina mode. Currently is on 24/7 regardless Im using it or not and current uptime now is almost 20hrs since I do restart it once a day.

    Retail disc as in buying a new OS and installing? They do not supply or sell even the recovery disc. I have always wonder how people got them till I saw in thier post they bought them from the Sony Centre which is why I never dare to clean wipe my hard disk as that is the only copy of recovery I have besides the CDs I made. Anyhow, I have been looking at Win7 and might try but juggling around the taught of buying a new notebook to play my games. The Z model's look really nice but not that much of an upgrade with my spec besides Geforce being the 9000 series which also carry the "faulty" syndrom.

    I don't mine doing another fresh install and following down all the steps needed. Recomend me an OS maybe? lol :) With all that said, Im pretty much stuck having to suck up with my notebook problems but to Rachel and DetlevCM, I don't know how to extend my gratitude towards you both for all the help and support you have gave but with a simple ThankYou :notworthy: .

    I have attach a print screen with task manager, realtempGT, GPU-Z and DPC latency, after running WoW till it crash :eek:

    Cheers ^^

    ps. Didn't say I will quit yet but with Sony here being unsupportive things just got rougher. Plan to look for South East Asia representative for Geforce and see where I can go from there :)
     

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    I am just wondering if they failed to replace the thermal paste...

    On the Intel card (use Sony's drivers) it shouldn't crash...

    And Vista once set up should run well.
     
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    This is a direct copy paste from Event View Manager, and to as why it "can" crash *shrugs*

    A request to disable the Desktop Window Manager was made by process (World of Warcraft Retail)

    The Desktop Window Manager was unable to start because composition was disabled by a running application

    The Desktop Window Manager did not start because an analysis of the hardware and configuration indicated that it would perform poorly
    Fault bucket 1311284406, type 1
    Event Name: APPCRASH
    Cab Id: 0
    Problem signature:
    P1: Explorer.EXE
    P2: 6.0.6002.18005
     
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    I have always wonder. How does one see the sensor screen in GPU-Z, mine is always blank. Do I have to install a sensor or something?
     
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    Strange... very strange indeed.... what happens if you reinstal the OS in Stamina and forget about Speed mode? I fear that's gone.

    Either via the recovery discs or a clean install - this should not crash, if it were to continue to crash - I believe that is what you experienced - then something else is wrong at the hardware level.

    The most obvious problem could be missing thermal paste as you said your fan was replaced - its worrying in a way - the SZ shouldn't "wear out" this easily.
     
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    This only exists for the NVidia GPU - the Intel cards don't have them as far as I am aware.
     
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    I am only able to use Stamina mode. I haven't been able to use Speed mode for a year. Ever since the fan got replace and follow by a BSOD, Speed mode has just been a black screen when I try to turn it on without even passing the logo screen to get into BIOS :(

    But in Stamina mode, my device manage detects both display adapter
     
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    That puts a new twist on it...

    I wonder if the repair guy disconnected something without reconnecting or changed something when replacing the fan.

    I assumed (Stamina) Edit: Speed worked and stopped working... if it stopped during the fan swap then it was possibly caused by that...
     
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    Hrm...

    Is it possible for a noobie like me to open up and check if is connected?
     
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    If you have no experience I wouldn't recommend it.

    The other thing is, I'm not sure what to look for as I haven't opened my SZ that much...

    I swapped out the HDD.... that's it... and removed the flaps for dust removal...

    I don't think there are any cables - but maybe I'm wrong...

    If it were the heatsink it should at least show for a few seconds before it overheats and shuts down...
     
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    Thanks for the info but I doubt is disconnected, cause when pushing the switch from Stamina to Speed the

    1. Speed Mode window pops and says it is activated and click restart now
    2. The LED light switches
    3. Even when it doesn't boot up but with every sign of it going to boot, I left it running in with the bSOD (small b for Black screen of death lol) till it started to beep and I place my hand where the GPU is and almost had my fingers "well done", and I prefer medium rare tbh
     
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    I been wondering, how do I find out what motherboard do I have lol, is it intell base?

    Intel® Mobile Entertainment On-the-go Low Voltage PC for 2007
    Code Name: Napa Refresh

    Processors

    Processors formerly Merom

    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor L7200 (4M Cache, 1.33 GHz, 667 MHz FSB)
    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor L7300 (4M Cache, 1.40 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor L7400 (4M Cache, 1.50 GHz, 667 MHz FSB)
    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor L7500 (4M Cache, 1.60 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor L7700 (4M Cache, 1.80 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)

    Chipsets (For processor compatibility click on the chipset links below)

    Chipsets formerly Calistoga

    Mobile Intel® 945GMS Express Chipset with 82801GBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7M)
    Mobile Intel® 945GM Express Chipset with 82801GBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7M)

    Platform Technologies
    Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology
    Execute Disable Bit
    Intel® 64 Architecture
    Intel® Virtualization Technology (Intel® VT)
     
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