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    Never again sony

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony' started by panty, Oct 26, 2008.

  1. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    I buyed an sony vaio fz38m and that was the badest buy i ever have done. The monitor is crap and yet sony say they dont see any problems with it. Even my brothers laptop that is 1 of the first laptops released is alot better then this sony ****. I find it very strange that laptops are unable to create good monitors when tv can be good on flatscreens. Anyhow my vaio is slow and sounds far to much and real crappy keys. The battery is total worthless. I payed alot of money on a worthless laptop :mad: The weirdest thing is i never learn the fact sony are crap on everything. I have started to save money to a real laptop so i can throw this **** in trashcan och drive over it with my car.
     
  2. Savior

    Savior Notebook Consultant

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    You'll find that other brands are much worse than Sony.
     
  3. Sponsi

    Sponsi Badibade

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    Well, I've owned a Sony SZ320 and currently own a SZ650 and I really have have no complaints. I must admit though my SZ650 had the famous "green/yellowish horizontal bar" on white backgrounds but my screen was replaced under warranty.

    What exactly are the issues you're having with your FZ? You mentioned a crappy battery and screen, however provide some details.
     
  4. never2fast

    never2fast Notebook Geek

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    to be honest your remarks sounds like someone who have been using a vaio Z then moved to a acer ee pc (no offence to the eee pc :p), the FZ series shouldn't be so bad though, whats your spec?
     
  5. Andy

    Andy Notebook Prophet

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    Whats the warranty for ? There must be a replacement/return policy from the place you bought....
     
  6. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    Well maybe that is true but it is scary to realise my lcd monitor be beated by real old laptops monitors. To see a movie is impossible and i always have big problems to find an angle where the colours are ok on it. Sony have looked on it and they say the monitor is normal. I have letted 4 other companyes looked on it and also they say it is normal. I dont accept that because i have as i see on it right to expect a good monitor for the amount of money the laptop cost. I have looked on other sony models aswell and have realised that sony cant do good monitors. As i said my brother have 1 of the first laptops on market and it beat every sony vaio i have seen sofar and that is scary.
     
  7. Goren

    Goren Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    I owned the FZ290 (actually two of them) for a while, both with the Hi-Color screen, and I thought it was one of the best screens I've seen on a 15.4" notebook.
    However, keep in mind that yeah, they've made progress on flat screen LCD monitors and TV, but in general laptop screens are still not as good as their external counterparts (less colors, worse response rates, worse viewing angles, etc).

    however.. I do agree, the FZ's keyboard sucks. (but the SZ sucks even more)
     
  8. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    I tryed but the companye i buyed it from says it is no problem with it and if they send it in and sony dont find any issue as they havent so do i get it back anyway. moment22 for me.

    my spec on the lap is

    intel core2
    t8100 processor 2,1ghz cpu
    4gb/ram
    200gb hd but whole 26gb is gone in nomansland
    gforce 8400m gt
     
  9. Lattice

    Lattice Notebook Evangelist

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    Are you possibly comparing matte screens (older laptop) to glossy screens (your FZ)? How is your lighting condition? I've compared my Sony Vaio SR with my Toshiba Satellite A135 in the same room with bright sunlight streaming through the window. My satellite screen become practically a mirror while my SR screen was still perfectly visible (though with some reflection since it is still a glossy screen). I think if you are perhaps used to matte screens, then glossy might seem like a step back to you, especially in brighter lighting conditions.
     
  10. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    hmm interesting.let me take an example i was at my brother summerhouse he have a real old ibm laptop pentium 1 or something like that. we was outside the house and it was a sunny day. i couldent see my screen at all but i saw his screen. that was what maded me so very disapointment.
     
  11. jet757f

    jet757f Notebook Evangelist

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    Actually some of the older notebook computers do have better displays.
    IBM and Fujitsu used to make displays with IPS and PVA/MVA type displays which had excellent picture quality. Now the notebook manufacturers are not using these screens because of the cost. They are using the less expensive TN type panels which also dont have the picture quality that the IPS/MVA/PVA type panels did.

    This is also true for your home computer monitors. You will find that the IPS type panels have the best picture quality but also are more expensive and harder to find.
     
  12. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    when im sitting in a dark room i have big problems to get a clear picture. it be darker or lighter depending on what angle i have my monitor in. It is extremlly hard to get a good balance with a clear picture and that annoing me so much.
     
  13. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    Oh man that explains alot
     
  14. SPEEDwithJJ

    SPEEDwithJJ NBR Super Idiot

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    I totally agree. I've personally been through such an experience where my Dell 700m's AUO 12.1" screen was just way better than the Dell XPS 1210's AUO 12.1" screen. Notice that they were both 12.1" screens made by the exact same manufacturer?

    My example:
    http://www.notebookforums.com/thread165750.html
     
  15. SonyVaioAW

    SonyVaioAW Notebook Consultant

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    The fact that you bought the laptop with this "defective" screen would suggest you had already seen the screen. Unless you bought it online.
    Research these things man.
     
  16. Savior

    Savior Notebook Consultant

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    All consumer laptops comes with glossy displays these days. Look at the new macbook and macbook pro. The colors are much worse than your sony.
     
  17. DetlevCM

    DetlevCM Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Speaking of keys...
    I love my SZ's keyboard!!!

    Keyboard are a matter of preference - so some people will love it, some will hate it, this doesn't automatically make it bad.
     
  18. jet757f

    jet757f Notebook Evangelist

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    Not necessarily. He probably didnt even see the problem until he started comparing it with his friends notebook computer.

    The point is all notebook computers these days are using TN panels which dont have very good viewing angles. The trick is to find one that looks halfway decent looking straight on. Im sure if you look around you will find some that look worse than yours and then you will be happy :D

    Or your other option is to buy an older notebook 15" notebook computer such as IBM T43p or T60P which have IPS type screens or Fujitsu N3010 which has MVA type screen. You will get excellent PQ and viewing angles with these computers. There are many on Ebay right now.
     
  19. onizuka

    onizuka Notebook Geek

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    I agree, I think it just a different opinion about "glossy" screen VAIO used todays. But, tell me, how many times do you use your laptop with looking at screen in different angle rather than just in front of it? I think everyone use their laptop with screen right in front of them, so not a big deal.
     
  20. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    I did a ride today to several stores and i actually realised 99.999999% of the laptops have glossy screens. So it is something i have to learn to live with i guess how annoying it even is for me. But i had a talk with a seller in a compstore about this and he also hate theese glossy lcd screens. But he told that is what the most people want and he cant understand it. well i dont understand that eigher. When got an angle in a way it is kinda enjoyible so have i to sit still if i move 20mm so is it a mess again. I looked on an mac and i have to say mac seems to be lightyears better theese days. so i might concider to buy an mac :)
     
  21. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    I also have got a phonenumber to a company that have somekind of plast that you put on the screen that put off the glossy thing and make the screen better. I gonna try that next weekend :) everything is worth a try.
     
  22. jet757f

    jet757f Notebook Evangelist

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    The glossy screen has nothing to do with viewing angles. I had a MacBook Pro 17" with the Matte screen but it was still a TN panel with bad viewing angles and marginal PQ. Personally I think the glossy screen has a better looking picture but may be a problem in daylight with reflections.
    Whether it is glossy or matte type screen it is what it is and that is a TN type panel which doesnt have the best PQ or viewing angles.
     
  23. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    So in other words the companyes who create laptops create **** with purpose and we people are foolish who buy it. lool what a suprise.
     
  24. jet757f

    jet757f Notebook Evangelist

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    The notebook manufacturers have figured out that most consumers arent that concerned with PQ or viewing angles on laptops and are more price driven. So now notebook computers cost less money but have less quality parts including display panels.
     
  25. panty

    panty Notebook Enthusiast

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    well you have a point there. But yet it should be some option example a model with good screen in focus for us who find that importent.