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    Replacing Broken Vaio Z11 SSD?

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony' started by SurferJon, Nov 23, 2011.

  1. SurferJon

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    Hey guys, so right now I have a Sony Vaio Z11 with a 192GB SSD. When I boot up the laptop, it tells me the first SSD has failed; it seems that over time weird things start happening in Windows, so I assume the SSD is actually corrupt even though everything functions normally. However, when I reinstall Windows, things will be fine for a while and then settings will start to mess up and eventually Windows won't even load my user account. A system restore usually fixes this, but the problem always comes back. I'm using the laptop now after a fresh install a few days ago (plus all my programs and stuff installed), and Firefox has already crashed and the fonts look weird - I think it might have something to do with the SSD.

    Anyways, I was wondering how one goes about replacing a SSD in the 192GB configuration. I believe it's a 128GB SSD and a 64GB SSD right now. How do I know which one is actually corrupt? And if it's the 128 GB SSD, do I simply pop it out and replace it with another one? I've already made a backup image of my system, so all I would have to do is throw that image back on the C drive, right? Also, if I wanted to upgrade my space, could I get rid of both SSDs and replace them with 2x128 SSDs? (Assuming the 128 one is the one broken.) 192 has never seemed to be enough for me, but 256 seems just about the right amount of space (if there's a way to get an even larger capacity SSD for cheap, let me know too!).

    Also, is this what I would buy if I have to go for the 128GB SSD?: 1-857-579-11 New Sony Vaio VPC-Z1 128GB Slim LIF SSD | eBay

    Thank you!
     
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    I think that eBay link should be a 1x128GB drive.

    Does your current thing have 2x64GB + 1x64GB SSD boards?

    What does the BIOS RAID screen look like and what are the model numbers for your current SSDs?
     
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    I'm not totally sure, but I believe so - every time I see the SSDs listed on this laptop, it's always 3x 64GBs, and I think there are two SSD "chips" inside from when I've opened it. I don't quite understand the configurations. Is that eBay one not compatible?
     
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    I'm not sure. I think the eBay one is 1x128GB. That is fine, but if that is true you would only be able to raid 2x64GB or 3x64GB of it - assuming you are still going to be using one of your old 64GB SSD boards. Otherwise, if you already have Samsung SSDs, I think it would be completely fine if you did either 1x128GB or 2x128GB.

    My Z1 has got a single board that is 2x64GB.
    My SSDs are both shown as MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB.
    eBay model is MMDPE28GDDXP-MVB.

    Could you check yours?

    I reckon the eBay one is 1x128GB due to the screenshot here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/623933-help-advice-z1-storage-setup.html

    One more thing: How long have you had your VPCZ1? I'm just curious as I'm getting a bit worried about my SSDs. One of them has 3 bad blocks according to S.M.A.R.T., but nothing noticeable in general use yet.
     
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    You can read a bit of this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/623933-help-advice-z1-storage-setup.html

    Basically it seems that if you RAID0 disks you will only get the amount that is a multiple of the smallest drive times the number of drives. Unfortunately, not completely confirmed.


    Based on your screenshot, it seems you have two SSD boards. One that is 1x64GB and another that is 2x64GB. It seems that the board that is 1x64GB is the one that has the error - not sure if the same drive was the one causing you problems in the past.

    If you replaced that 1x64GB drive with the eBay one which is 1x128GB and RAIDed it, you would end up with 2x64GB and 1x128GB, but would only be able to use 2x64GB + 1x64GB because you are limited by the size of smaller drives.

     
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    Oh, so that's some good news then, I guess - the cheaper SSD is the one that failed, not the 128 GB one! Thanks for pointing that out.

    So with what your saying, the current configuration I have is the maximum configuration I can have? I can't go beyond 192 GBs? Do I have to buy something extra to do that - like some sort of cable?
     
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    That's what I think, assuming it was the same drive that previously failed.

    You could go for 256GB, but the way I see it, it would seem that you would have to purchase two of those 1x128GB boards off eBay to do that.
     
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    So those would work with my current cables and everything? Two 1x128GB SSDs = 256 GBs of useable space if I took out both of my current SSDs? And if I just replaced the broken 64 GB with the 128 GB, I would have 192 still, right? Is there no way to make use of the other 64 GBs though, like as another drive I can throw movies on to or whatever?

    Also, do you think this is the cheapest option? For that eBay SSD, it's $93 with shipping, so $186 for two of them. Are there better options out there? Do I even have to go with these Samsung ones (I know of the option where you can replace your optical drive, but I use it all the time.)

    BTW you've been very helpful. :)
     
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    You currently have Samsung drives and the one on eBay is also Samsung so it would work with your current cables. If you only purchase a single 1x128GB SSD off ebay and you keep it half out of RAID 0, you should be able to have two (or three) drives adding up to 256GB total.

    Some combinations with 1x128GB and 2x64GB:
    Single 192GB drive: 3x64GB (64GB lost)
    Two 128GB drives: [1x128][2x64GB]
    No drives in RAID 0: Two 64GB drives and a 128GB drive.

    There was another Sony thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/511578-how-replace-ssd-vaio-vpcz11-vpcz12-non-sony-ssd.html
    In that case, you would have to purchase a different cable for the SSDs.. Theres a few more SSD models that you can use, but I'm supposing it would also cost you more in the end.

    The cheapest option would probably be just purchasing a single 1x128GB board and ending up with 3x64GB again or 1x128GB and 2x64GB in separate drives.

    Hopefully accurate as well. :eek:
     
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    So with the second option there, I would put Windows and all my programs on to the 1x128, right? And then the 2x64GB would be for file storage, like the My Videos and My Music folders? And the latter would appear in My Computer as external hard drives like when you plug a USB drive in?
     
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    Generally people say that RAID 0 is less reliable (it's designed for speed, not reliability unlike normal RAID modes which are designed for reliability), so I would put the documents on the 128GB drive and install Windows and programs on the 2x64GB drive.

    Yeah, it would just appear as another drive in My Computer.
     
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    Would this change the speed at all?
     
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    Oh, what about this? On the Vaio Z repair sheet, this is all the SSD options it lists:

    1-857-576-11 $ SSD (MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB) [128GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 128GBx2
    1-857-576-11 $ SSD (MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB) [128GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 128GBx1
    1-857-577-11 $ SSD (MMDPE56GQDXP-MVB) [256GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 256GBx2
    1-857-577-11 $ SSD (MMDPE56GQDXP-MVB) [256GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 256GBx1
    1-857-577-11 $ SSD (MMDPE56GQDXP-MVB) [256GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 256GBx1+128GBx1
    1-857-579-11 $ SSD (MMDPE28GDDXP-MVB) [128GB MLC/FLASH/SATA] 256GBx1+128GBx1
    1-857-576-11 $ SSD (MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB) [128GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 128GBx1+64GBx1
    1-857-578-11 $ SSD (MMCRE64GDDXP-MVB) [64GB MLC/FLASH/SATA] 128GBx1+64GBx1

    I think the data at the end of each row is what configuration you would use that specific SSD in. I have bolded the ones I have right now.

    If I'm replacing the 64 one, that means I have only my 128 one now. The 128 one seems to work in the "256GBx1+128GBx1" configuration, which is 384 GBs. So, does that mean I would purchase the fifth one on the list (1-857-577-11) to switch out with my 64 GB one, thus giving me 384 GBs of space?

    And I think this is the one:

    Samsung 1.8" 128GB Thin SSD uSATA Micro Solid State Disk Drive MMCQE28GTMUP | eBay

    Which is only $140!
     
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    2x64GB is supposed to be faster than 1x64GB. To be honest, I'm not sure if 2x64GB would definitely be faster than 1x128GB.


    If you purchased the MMDPE56GQDXP-MVB, I believe you would end up with 2x64GB(that you currently have) and 2x128GB SSDs.


    1-857-576-11 $ SSD (MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB) [128GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 128GBx2 2x64GB
    1-857-576-11 $ SSD (MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB) [128GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 128GBx1 2x64GB
    1-857-577-11 $ SSD (MMDPE56GQDXP-MVB) [256GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 256GBx2 2x128
    1-857-577-11 $ SSD (MMDPE56GQDXP-MVB) [256GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 256GBx1 2x128
    1-857-577-11 $ SSD (MMDPE56GQDXP-MVB) [256GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 256GBx1+128GBx1 2x128
    1-857-579-11 $ SSD (MMDPE28GDDXP-MVB) [128GB MLC/FLASH/SATA] 256GBx1+128GBx1 1x128GB (the eBay one)
    1-857-576-11 $ SSD (MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB) [128GB MLC/2con/FLASH/SATA] 128GBx1+64GBx1 2x64GB
    1-857-578-11 $ SSD (MMCRE64GDDXP-MVB) [64GB MLC/FLASH/SATA] 128GBx1+64GBx1 1x64GB

    In bold I've added what SSD drives the laptop will actually see. The laptop can hold up to four SSD drives on two of the above SSD boards.



    Samsung 1.8" 128GB Thin SSD uSATA Micro Solid State Disk Drive MMCQE28GTMUP | eBay
    ^
    I think that one uses a different kind of connector than the SSDs the Z11 has.
     
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    Oh wait, I think I picked the wrong one from that list. Now I'm confused. XD My 128GB SSD is 64x2. Now out of that list, which configuration can that SSD fit into? I would get the other SSD to replace my current 64GB one.

    EDIT: No, I did pick the right one. The eBay auction, however, was wrong.
     
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    Assuming that the 1x64GB board is the one that is failing and that your 2x64GB board is still fine, if you want to have all space in one RAID 0 drive without any space wastage, you could do a replacement 1x64GB (MMCRE64GDDXP-MVB), or purchase a 2x64GB (MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB) board instead - in which case you would end up with 4x64GB SSDs.
     
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    So the one I want - 256GB (for the 256GBx1+128GBx1 configuration) - is this one:
    Brand New Samsung 1.8" - 2.5" 256GB SSD uSATA Drive 256 GB | eBay
     
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    LOL, thank you for bearing with me.

    Okay, so basically, it seems like every other option is too expensive. I should just replace the 64GB (assuming it's the one broken) with another 64GB, right? And if I want more space, I can go with a 128GB one (64GBx2), but only one of the 64's can be RAIDed and the other 64 would be file space, right? ("or purchase a 2x64GB (MMCRE28GQDXP-MVB) board instead - in which case you would end up with 4x64GB SSDs")
     
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    Yup, that would definitely work as it would just be replacing exactly what you already have.

    If you purchased the 2x64GB board, it matches with your current 2x64GB board and you can have 4x64GB-> 256GB. Otherwise, you can purchase the 1x128GB drive off eBay to replace your 1x64GB drive and you can have...
    ...basically 2x64GB and 1x128GB shown to Windows as two single 128GB drives.
     
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    This is where I'm confused. So right now I have 2x64GB (128 GB). If I buy the exact same one to replace my broken 64GB, it will all be RAIDed together perfectly and total to one C: drive that is 256 GB, right?
     
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    Two boards that are 2x64GB each will RAID 0 perfectly into 4x64GB-> a single 256GB drive. If you can find a place to buy the part.
    Another thread suggests here: https://www.servicesplus.sel.sony.com/sony-parts.aspx
     
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    Well that's cool - now I have an excuse to slightly upgrade the HDD size. 256 GB > 192 GB. :p

    I think I found some on eBay but it's hard to tell if they're the 128x1 or 64x2 models, especially since it seems the same SSD was released under different laptop companies with slightly different model numbers. What do you think of these auctions?

    Samsung MMCRE28G8MXP-0VBH1 Solid State Drive SSD 128GB 1.8" SATA SSD T400s | eBay
    Samsung MMCRE28G8MXP-0VBH1 128GB 1.8" SATA Solid State Drive SSD T400s T510 | eBay
    Samsung 128gb 1.8" 2.5" SSD Solid State Drive Laptop and Mac Book Pro T410s X301 | eBay

    Otherwise it's on Sony Parts for $197.60.
     
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    hi, i just bought the ebay ssd in the first post the other day and i can confirm that it is a 1x128gb which is prolly not the OP would like to replace because of namaiki mentioned about the raid setup

    but i also think that the OP should double check if his SSD is connected via ZIF or m-sata before doing anything; buying the m-sata ssds from those 3 auctions when you only have a ZIF cable will be a waste of your money
     
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    How do I know which cable I have? I've opened up my laptop before and the SSD cable is goldish/orange and wraps around them.
     
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    your photo is taking too long to load for me, can you just type out the model numbers for us instead?
     
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    After reading this whole thread two things stand out:

    1. Namaiki, you are the most helpful, patient person on NBR! You take people's problems as if they were your responsibility to solve - as you have on several occasions for me - and I know it is not your responsibility as Mod to do this. But you are the only Mod who does. ;)

    2) Seems like the cheapest way to get a 128GB SSD for any computer - not just to replace and rebuild the RAID0 array in a Z - is to by these 1.8" "bare" drives and put them in a 2.5" casing! I mean, those eBay listings, some with casings included, were about $0.75/GB for new drives. Is there a catch?

    Surfer, I wish you luck. I have gotten that drive error twice in six months and it self-repaired in RST, but I assume we can all have it go the way of yours, based on time and luck (or lack of!)
     
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    I can't say I'm too sure about these but those are probably all just 1x128GB. I couldn't imagine any other company but Sony putting more than one SSD on a standard single SSD board.

    @SurferJon If you're planning on opening your Z11, it would be worth it to make sure but based on what I have read it's probably ZIF on the Samsung SSDs in the Z11.

    Some pictures for reference for the connector - zif vs msata:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/att...-drive-problem-figured-out-maybe-100_6563.jpg <- zif is the top one, probably msata on the bottom
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/att...-drive-problem-figured-out-maybe-100_6564.jpg <- zif on bottom this time

    ZIF is a flat cable that connects on top - as far as I know its used in the Samsung drives of the Z11:
    http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4522/t2don0xltxxxxxxxxx75309.jpg
    http://i40.tinypic.com/a9paiv.jpg

    msata has a huge connector on the side of the drive like on the eBay drives - as far as I know used in the Toshiba drives in the Z12:
    http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9610/pic2y.jpg
    http://kunkoku.com/new/bimages2/tt205.jpg
    (I don't this picture is of the same cable, but similar)

    If you open it up, it would be very good for you to try read up on how to release a ZIF(zero-insertion-force) connector so that you don't damage it. Here's a start. Here's a video, but note that the connector could open on either side, where the cable comes through or like in the video at the tip of the cable. I wouldn't use a screwdriver to open the connector as quickly as the guy did in the video unless you're 100% sure which way it opens. There's one connector on the motherboard and then another on each SSD board.

    Assuming that it would otherwise work, you would need the mSATA/uSATA cable linked here for the Z11.

    It's a bit tempting for the numbers, but seems it would cost about $300-400 for a 2x128GB setup plus Sony msata cable and about $700 for a 2x256GB setup plus cable.



    Sources:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/471811-definitive-vaio-z11-series-ssd-drive-configurations.html
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/473923-vpcz11-custom-ssd-drive-problem-figured-out-maybe.html
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/473923-vpcz11-custom-ssd-drive-problem-figured-out-maybe-5.html
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/511578-how-replace-ssd-vaio-vpcz11-vpcz12-non-sony-ssd.html
     
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    Guess I'll have to ask the people selling them.

    It's definitely ZIF. I've already taken apart everything inside before, so I know how to disconnect them. :)
     
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    Hey guys, someone PM'd me offering their 128GB (64x2) SSD for $120 (without shipping); it's obviously used. The Sony Store has the SSD for $197 with shipping. Do you think it's worth going for the cheaper, used one? I'm not sure how SSDs work in terms of life, how often they've been used and reliability, etc.
     
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    I suppose it's not bad at all if it's in good condition...


    Maybe you can get them to run Hard Disk Sentinel and check the drives S.M.A.R.T. statistics for how many bad blocks if any are present? Also, that way you can confirm that the drive is 2x64GB if necessary.
     
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    bah i feel like im under public scrutiny right now thanks to namaiki and surferjon but nevertheless, my triple raid test with a fresh system restore and latest RST installed:

    rst.jpg

    ssd1.jpg

    ssd2.jpg
     
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    By the way, with the triple RAID, the extra space on the 128GB drive disappears/is unusable? (just making sure :p)
     
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    yes more or less i cannot make use of it, i will update my other thread soon with a crystaldiskmark result
     
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    Awesome. Would be nice to see a dual vs triple if you have results from before.
     
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    So how does his 128GB (64x2) look? That's what I may be buying! Can someone breakdown those results into layman's terms? :p