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    Sony VGN-TZ198N/RC -- hands on

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony' started by brucewilsonpa, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. brucewilsonpa

    brucewilsonpa Notebook Consultant

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    Well, it finally arrived! Since there are a number of us on this forum who have been anxiously awaiting some hands on info on this model, here goes:

    First -- a delightful surprise -- like some others I wasn't keen on the Bordeaux red, preferring the black of my TZ190N, but to my pleasant surprise the Bordeaux red is actually quite attractive! It's very dark, almost black, with a red iridescence -- cool!

    Second -- opposite reaction -- while I prefer the SSD + HDD over having a DVD burner built-in I know there are others who want the DVD instead. The i.Link connected (IEEE1394) external DVD burner is attractive and (haven't used it yet although I've connected it) probably will do the job OK (it's about 6" square by 3/4 inch thick) IMHO Sony blew it with using this approach -- their 4-wire i.Link has no power so to use this DVD burner you have to connect its power adapter which is only slightly smaller than that for the TZ198 and no carrying case or other means for hauling it -- not a good approach -- I will put it back in its box and use my USB external DVD burner that can do most of its work powered through USB port.

    Third -- for those who went the Japan model route this is not a surprise -- with the HDD instead of DVD the TZ198 also has a third USB port on the right side. I notice also that there's a cover over where the DVD drawer would normally be -- perhaps the TZ198 can be converted to replace the HDD with a DVD(?)

    Fourth -- having said that, though, I have to acknowledge I'm glad I went for the SSD+HDD -- as it arrived, my 64G SSD has ~33G available space!! I know I will be able to delete a lot of bloatware and other junk I don't want but had I relied on having the SSD only I'd still be hard-pressed to install my typical package of software and docs w/o running into headroom problems like I had on my TZ190 (which is why I sold it and awaited this model). I haven't been able to do enough yet to see how effective the SSD is as "cache" for the HDD -- this is how Sony describes the combination and as we can all see in the computer media, there is definitely a move towards "large" (16G) SSD in combination with HDD where the SSD has the OS and speeds up things.

    Am I glad I went this route? Well, I've really questioned my wisdom in opting for paying Sony's outrateous price, plus the sales tax -- came close to cancelling more than once -- but I'd given up on Chris Coalpit (colpic) only because I couldn't rely on postal delivery and, as many have commented (it sure matched my experience) he cannot provide much in the way of committed ship dates or any kind of tracking, so ordering from him may keep the price down but it's a long, somewhat uncertain wait before it arrives.

    To answer the question, though, I will say that as soon as I lifted it out of its box and recalled the small form factor and light weight, I began to get that warm feeling. But when its fantastic colors appeared on the screen I knew I'd made the right decision. I have my SZ670 next to it and, even though I think the SZ6 led-lit screen is excellent, there is just no comparison in the richness of color saturation and sharpness of detail that the TZ offers.

    Sorry for the long-winded first message. I'll add more insight as I use it. And other TZ198 users are welcome to contribute their experience.
     
  2. psun786

    psun786 Notebook Evangelist

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    congratz~ I really liked the TZ198 concept and would love to get it if its not 4K :D

    yah, 4 pin firewire doesn't transmit power. the extra 2 pins in 6 pin IEEE 1934 does that. I don't know why they don't designed CD/DVD USB 2.0 a interface since 5 watt should be enough to power CD/DVD ROM. however, firewire does have better sustain transfer rate when compare to USB.

    um.. do you know the Sony style site says TZ198 only come with two USB ports instead of three? so I originally thought they didn't install the 2nd USD module. but good to know they did.

    Can you post some pictures???? I want to see the Bordeaux red :D :D

    BTW, you can get the VAIO leather case VGP-CKTZ2/B $149 for only $54 at Clearance club. Although it say reconditioned but I can't tell its not brand new (just received mine today).
     
  3. monakh

    monakh Votum Separatum

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    Congrats, Bruce!

    Yep, would love some pics of the new B. R.
     
  4. Rahul

    Rahul Notebook Prophet

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    Bruce......................I hate you. You rich person you. Well, its not like too many college students can afford a $4000 laptop. ;)

    I am quite surprised the 2.5" HDD option made it out of Japan and that the highest end model is not premium carbon as most of Sony's models have been. But I'm sure they'll make a TZ199N/XC very soon.
     
  5. exetlaios

    exetlaios Notebook Evangelist

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    Enjoy it Bruce!

    Please to report the relation of the 64 GB SSD with the 32 GB SSD of the previous model. Is it faster or you don't even notice it?
     
  6. nonamelol

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    yo bruce, BIG CONGRATS.
    4k laptop, man thats high end performance and quality. PLZ post up pictures.

    and can i ask about your tz190. when u got it, how much space was free straight out of the box? and after a clean install, how much space did u gain from removing the bloatware?

    thanks
     
  7. brucewilsonpa

    brucewilsonpa Notebook Consultant

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    Yes -- that's why I was pleasantly surprised -- 3 USB ports afterall.

    The TZ198N/RC comes with that case.

    I'll post a photo but I had a difficult time with the lighting so I'm not sure this really shows the color -- it is rather subtle -- you can see the red in the black here.
     

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    I did not realize the TZ198 had an extra USB port. Interesting. Congrats and I third the request for photos!

    Benjamin
     
  9. psun786

    psun786 Notebook Evangelist

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    um... its hard to tell the color under tungsten lamp... :)
     
  10. Rahul

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    Its on any TZ that has the 2.5" HDD in place of the DVD drive, the USB port is on the right hand side where the drive is.
     
  11. brucewilsonpa

    brucewilsonpa Notebook Consultant

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    Actually it's under compact florescent lighting (I don't have many incadescent lamps anymore) I'll try later under brighter florescent lighting.
     
  12. v12spd

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    This is the same color if I'm correct.
     

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  13. ubercool

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    I was just going to say the same thing! :D

    Too bad I'm not home, otherwise I would have mine too! I'm sure it's sitting at FedEx right now. :rolleyes:
     
  14. brucewilsonpa

    brucewilsonpa Notebook Consultant

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    No -- the TZ198N/RC is a solid deep red across the entire lid. Here's a couple more taken under brighter florescent lighting. The first shows the hue a little better -- on the second you can contrast the black battery with the red lid (but it looks brown here). Oh well -- I find the color attractive and I'm pleased it's not like the red case choice for the M1330.
     

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  15. nonamelol

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    Jealous!!!!
     
  16. desertmike

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    The red carbon fiber is VERY HOT. You have one beautiful machine...Congratulations!


    -Mike
     
  17. psun786

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    thx for the picture~ I love the color, it gives the laptop a royal tone~ its classy :D
     
  18. v12spd

    v12spd Notebook Consultant

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    Not to threadjack, but what color is the one I found then?

    P.S. I see the difference and it is a very nice color.
     
  19. Ken Wind

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    It's probably the premium carbon fiber, which is denoted by a XC on the end of the model number.

    B - Black
    N - Champagne
    BC - ???
    RC - Bordeaux Red
    XC - Premium Carbon
    WC - White
     
  20. Rahul

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    BC is Black with a carrying case, if it ends in C, it comes with a carrying case.
     
  21. Rahul

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    Thats Premium Carbon, its from a review of a TZ90NS I found on Google, I wondered why in some pics, it looked red when I heard it actually looks blue. :confused:

    http://www.game-over.com/reviews.php?page=features&id=580
     
  22. nonamelol

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    how in the hell did he get a tz90 for 1800 usd? im assuming that version has a SSD correct?
     
  23. Kuat

    Kuat Notebook Guru

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    One thing that stops me from ordering it is the externsal DVD drive.

    WTF? Thats dumb.


    I'm eyeing the XPS 1330 right now.
    It's twice the performance for half the price.
     
  24. amerks

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    what brand and type hd drive does the TZ198N/RC have?
     
  25. nonamelol

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    the xps is terrirble build quality so i heard. the sz is on bar with the xps and way better build quality.
     
  26. brucewilsonpa

    brucewilsonpa Notebook Consultant

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    Don't know the brand but it's a 200G 5400 2.5 inch HDD.
     
  27. brucewilsonpa

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    I thought that as well. But I just realized, my SZ670NC did not come with any case, so now I'm curious what "C" really means????
     
  28. esskay

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    Were you aware that there are other configurations of the TZ which have an on-board DVD instead of the second HD?

    Also, whatever one's opinion of the XPS 1330 it is a different class of machine than the TZ and like comparing apples & oranges with the TZ. As someone else posted, you should compare the Sony SZ model against the XPS 1330.
     
  29. nixon

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    The C stands for "Carbon" in the case of the SZ670.

    Sony's lettering scheme for their colors/casing types is a pain to try and keep track of. At least for the operating system it's pretty easy:

    P - XP Pro
    N - Vista Business
    E - Vista Home Premium
    U - Vista Ultimate

    For casing color types
    B - Black
    C - Black Carbon (only in the case of the SZ series)
    N - Champage Gold
    R - Red
    W - White
    L - Indigo Blue
    P - Pink
    S - Silver
    T - Wenge Brown
    XC - Premium Carbon Fiber
    WC - White Carbon Fiber
    RC - Red Carbon Fiber

    And I'm probably missing another one or two
     
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    Bruce, do give us some benchies or at least your own take on the 32GB vs. 64GB SSD speeds. Thanks.
     
  31. ubercool

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    Look at my answer in the other thread, you get what you paid for. And the performance boost is 10% at best. The DVD is external because you get 264GB of storage, unheard of a in sub-notebook. The Dell is positively obese, but I'm sure you won't mind lugging it around, since you "saved" so much money! :rolleyes:
     
  32. voipben

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    Never thought of "regular" laptops as "obese" until I got a TZ...
     
  33. ubercool

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    LOL! It's something that we all go through. It also makes buying any future laptops over 12 inches in screen size difficult to do. :D
     
  34. zkaudio

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    I would love to have a tz, but can't deal w/ a ulv 1.2 ghz proc... ;(
     
  35. nonamelol

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    a 2gig stick of Ram and an expensive SSD will cover for the 1.2ghz performance
     
  36. zkaudio

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    not when I have 4 gigs of ram and a 7k200 in my sz at 2.4 ghz...
     
  37. nonamelol

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    if ur into the level of performance of a desktop in a laptop, than ur sz is perfect. the tz is not a desktop level so why would u even consider to compare the two? they at opposite end of the spectrum.
     
  38. psun786

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    very true... TZ is mean to be a low performance ultra portable laptop. not even close to desktop replacement.