Recently bought Vaio T13.
I generally like this laptop but not the fan noise.
Fans are rotating so fast. I mean, I cannot use this at the library.
Everyone was looking at my laptop when it starts to blow hard.
Funny thing is, it's not hot. it's blowing cool air.
Can anyone help me to control fan speed?
I tried SpeedFan (downloaded from interenet) but no go.
I also checked bios features, no go.
Looks like sony blocked all the ways?
If I cannot control the fan noise, I should return all these.
I bought it from sony stores, what was their return policy? do they charge me for the restocking fees?
So much disappointed........ wouldn't try sony anymore.
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Try VAIO Control Center -> Power Management -> Power Options -> Silent Mode.
Or maybe you have a faulty unit? -
I don't think it's faulty after running the following experiments.
(1) zero load test: it is really quiet when I do nothing
(2) full load test: when running 3D games, fan is at 100%, and noise is like a jet engine (but still blowing cool air.. what the?)
(3) library load test (web surfing, editing text files, etc): noise level is somewhere in-between (1) and (2), which means, the fan is operating at the speed it is designed to. And I'm now saying that the noise level in *this* stage is way too loud. -
Try to compare with another T13, if you can. Perhaps you got a defective fan - I once had a laptop with a fan with a chipped blade - jet engine sounds about right.
Can you check the CPU temperatures with a utility? Perhaps the paste between the heatsink and CPU is no good. -
Readings are from SpeedFan. How does it sound like? -
Does the store have a demo/display unit that you can compare with? Check the other local showrooms too.
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Have you tried:
Vaio control centre -> special buttons-> (then choose "Thermal Control Setting" under "Current Settings")-> press OK then use "VAIO" shortcut key to adjust fan settings. -
I measured noise level of my T13 by using "Decibel Ultral" iphone app (used iphone 4 and ios 5.1)
from about one inch away, it reads 65 db in average and 73db in peak.
So I visited sony store and test T13 with light load (surfing web with ie) the noise level of T13 @ showroom was around 70db in average and 78db in peak.
Considering the background noise, I guess these two have pretty much the same noise level. Thanks for the comment but I think I have to return this after using a few more days :-(
I guess it's because T13 has no knobs for "stamina" versus "performance"?
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Look at the machine and where it sits in Sony's range, IGNORING the marketing hype from Intel around their "ultrabook" moniker, and the notable lack of heavy advertising from Sony. As I said in the ultrabook thread here a while ago, most companies are launching these new, expensive systems as flagship ranges, with pricing to match, in the four figure range (at least in the UK), but Vaios have long existed within or exceeding that spec, such as the Z and S. The Z is stupidly expensive, stupidly luxurious and an incredible machine, with an incredible price tag as well. The more mainstream S model would be considered very close to Intel's specs, but they would possibly be too thick, and include optical drives as well as discrete GPUs. The new T comes in under their price, and is lower spec'd than the S, and isn't being pushed heavily by Sony - why would they want to cannibalize their own market in the Z and S models? People would look at competitor ultrabooks, and then look at the S and see that for the same price they could so much more, BUT as a company they cannot ignore Intel's newly created market so they need to offer something in this space, leading to the mediocre T which they seemed to have created to satisfy an inter-corporation whim, whilst still keeping their flagship Z and S: the T is a middle of the road machine!
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First of all, I just wrote what I felt was my best post ever, but Firefox spontaneously shut down and killed this text box before I got to submit or save it!
So, attempt #2 will be briefer, I hope.
You can probably get a 100% refund, no restocking fee, if you bought the computer less than 30 days ago. That is the policy with online orders from Sony; hopefully it is the same at the stores. If you can get a 100% refund, I suggest you do that, first, get your money back in your bank account, then evaluate your options.
If you are past 30 days, or the store has a different refund policy, I would suggest you ask for a full refund anyway. You probably will be refused. If you are refused, I would ask for a new machine. You may well be refused that too. Sony is legendary for one of two reasons for refusing in-warranty service or replacement: 1) the computer is performing as it was designed; 2) we have determined that the problem was caused by user misuse, not covered under warranty. I would expect that you will get the first of these two responses. They may even go so far as to say things like:
1) The reason your T is running so cool is that the fan is so effective
2) The fan in the T is a new, improved one. The fan in the SA13 of 2011 was much louder (!)
While I agree with much of what Irishsumo writes, I do not think that the pressure on Sony to produce a "compliant" Ultrabook gives them an excuse to produce a substandard laptop for $800. Most of the first and second generation Ultrabooks are thinner than the T and, particularly the new Ivy Bridge models, run very cool and only need their fans to run when you put a heavy load on the system. Of course, most laptop brands, in the main, have quieter fans than Sony's - at least through the 2011 models. If Sony can't make a high quality Ultrabook for $800 it should continue to sit out the segment or, frankly, make it better and charge more. I don't think either strategy is a winning one, but putting substandard laptops on the market for $800 (the beginning of "high end" in today's market) with your brand in big letters is worse yet.
Good luck. If you can get a refund I would grab it now, then research the issue by checking out store demos and reading reviews and forum posts. Frankly, I would not buy a Sony Ultrabook if I were you; as Irishsumo points out, Sony has focused on making competitive "ultraportables" like the S series, and early word on the new SVS13 are encouraging. The T is their first Ultrabook and, while it appears to be a fairly good effort, especially for the price, Sony is just not the brand to bank on when they first enter new territory. (Actually, I find it's a good policy to avoid any first-ever product from a company, from computers to cars.) Even the new SVS13 is a risk, as is nearly any Sony laptop, though at least there is more reward if your unit is a good sample. At best, the T is a low end performer with a low end screen, though it does appear to be well built, solid and attractive. I won't go into my Sony riff here (check any random NBR Sony Forum thread on quality or customer service and I probably have posted a rant, though I have the same love/hate response to the brand and my Z13, despite it's low rent plastic palm rests, remains my main portable and has, truly, been problem free)... anyway, if you want an Ultrabook or a very high probability of receiving a unit that will be perfect out of the box, Sony Vaio may not be your best choice of a brand, however tempting their products are.
If you want the thinness and lighter weight of an Ultrabook I would suggest you add around $200 to your budget if you can, and/or wait for a sale on some of the better ones: Asus UX31A, Dell XPS 13. You might also check the prices on refurbished 2011 MacBook Air 13s, either on Apple's web site or a large reseller's. This is one of the very rare times I would recommend an Apple product, and I'm choking on my words, but after dealing with the likes of Sony I tend to be pushed to the extreme of seeking a product I pretty much know will work as advertised, and that is an Apple strong suit. But if $800 is your limit, I would suggest you look at Sandy Bridge Ultrabook closeouts, including the HP Folio 13, which often sells for $799 with coupons. It's one of the more solid offerings from the first gen, well built, very long battery life (7-9 hrs, in real life), good backlit keyboard and excellent sound. Weak areas are the screen (which is just ok, not bad, probably equivalent to the T though possibly a bit less bright) and it's known to have a trackpad that requires a bit more force to register clicks on than some people consider ideal. Other than that, the Folio 13 has been the safe choice at the low end of the market.
Well, I guess this post is as long as the original. Hope it helps.
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Good points and advice from LoveLaptops. One thing about Vaios is that the old advice was to try to get a CTO model as they were made in Japan and were of a higher quality, but I think these days only Z models are made there and everything else is outsourced to China or Korea. Personally, the T reminds me of the netbook wars of 3/4 years ago: Vaio had dominated the small notebook market but with hugely expensive models that were normally found in boardrooms are status symbols. When the flood of small and cheap netbook clones came out, Sony didn't respond for a long time, then came out with the expensive P and X models and then a couple of clones for the general market, but didn't push them significantly despite the analysts thinking that netbooks were going to kill the notebook market. This just feels the same, with Sony late to the market and in a lacklustre fashion...
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At this point the noise would be a secondary problem after seeing the screen, which has pretty horrible viewing angles.
edit, the trackpad was also a bit too small for me. I don't have big hands or fingers and the trackpad on my FW is tiny, but somehow the T's trackpad felt smaller and less responsive than the one on the FW. I did try to see if the fan was loud, being in the store it would not be easy but putting me ear to the vent I heard almost nothing. I'll say this though the screen flex is not that bad and it felt much more solid than the older S series models plus the hinge felt solid. -
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In the olden days (picture me sagely stroking my wisdom beard!), the higher end models were made in Japan, and the more mid range elsewhere. Usually this meant the small, full featured machines of the Tx series - the 10.6 inch TR and original T, the 11.6 TX, TZ and TT, which were the flagship, £1500 machines. I think towards the end of this time they might've started making the bog standard preconfigured versions of the TZ and TT elsewhere, but if you configured your own they would make it in Japan and the quality was usually assured on it.
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I am planning to visit Bestbuy to check out other ultrabooks. I will measure the noise level by using the same iphone app. I will report the results here anytime soon.
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1) at different load
2) after using for a while
In fact, Any reasonable new laptop won't make audible sound at lowest load. How do you plan to test either of these at a bestbuy? -
To do this, I run internet explorer and then go to msn.com to click and open a few tabs, read them, close them and open a few tabs again. Repeating this iteration once or twice a minute. That's how I use my laptop. (sony T13 makes too much fan noise @ this workload)
During the experiment, I put my iphone 1 inch away from the fan and run Decibel Ultra app. That one shows average and peak noise levels in dbA. I know it is very hard to isolate background noise but still, that will let me compare the fan noise of laptops side by side. -
I respect your desire for a quiet machine, and I'm impressed at the lengths you are going to in order to get one, but it might be worth doing some more research online. Different machines respond according to load - my Alienware is silent normally, as in the fan doesn't spin, because it has decent cooling for a laptop, being designed for gaming. However, once the discrete GPU kicks in and CPU loads up with gaming logic, then it sounds like a jet engine as it attempts to keep temps under control under under extreme strain. However, I have also seen an HP with a fan that would start when barely warm, as the hardware was programmed to not let the internal temperature rise much, something that was eventually fixed in a BIOS update to let the internal temperature rise a bit more before the noise started.
Go identify some machines you would like and have a dig around in reviews which usually mention fan noise and heat, and user forums, where there will be some folk busy overclocking, some folk busy changing HDDs and RAM and pondering CPU upgrades, and always some folk tinkering with fans and settings to make it quieter. You'll be able to get a feel for what machines are generally quiet, which ones are hot, etc. and how the companies support with firmware updates to fix this. I'll tell you now that Sony are poor in this regard - my old SZ is only quiet now because I've changed the fan to a different model, bumped the RAM to give processing more overhead capacity, repasted with Arctic Silver and installed an SSD to remove spinning metal heat! However, my other Vaio's, an old TR and newish YA make little or no noise even when running an Oracle database locally.
However, I would say light surfing on the T13 with a few tabs making the fan kick in doesn't sound right. What else was running? Sony is bad for bloatware, so would there have been resource stealing processes such as Vaio Care, Vaio Gate and other useless rubbish in the background? What AV/Firewall was there? Some are legendary for sucking CPU and RAM (Norton!) and others for being barely noticeable (Eset), though from your earlier mention of Speedfan I'm guessing you know most of this! -
https://forum.sel.sony.com/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=14336
But if they're slow in dealing with such updates, I should return this as soon as possible.
In terms of other background processes, I boot the machine in a safe mode to uninstall most of the bloatware except vaio care and vaio control center. I use microsoft security essenetials as the only AV. I know it's protection is somewhat minimal, but I like it because this do not occupy much of my computing capacity. Whenever I have to execute an executable from unknown sources, I upload it to virustotal to see what other AVs say. In all, I am 100% sure vaio ultrabook T13 makes a loud noise even when it is lightly loaded.
Now I find many other user reviews talking about fan noise including
Amazon.com: DR in Arizona "azmogul"'s review of Sony VAIO T Series SVT13118FXS 13.3-Inch U...
I guess I'm not the only one who is suffering from the noisy fan. So much disappointed. -
It was one of laptops that are on my shortlist. But reading these posts are making me more cautious abt another vaio. I already have a Vaio since 3 yrs and it has been poor laptop with heat and poor battery. Now I was finally changing to new one and have some laptops I like and t13 was one of them.
I think I will remove it from my list. I made a thread in which laptop to buy but no one bothered to respond to it even though I made a good post -
chromer21 and xp0z3d... this is why I never, ever buy the first model of any machine... best let someone else troubleshoot for you! I notice that quite a few reviews mention the noise but you probably didn't have the luxury of waiting for many user reviews to come out when you bought it...
xp0z3d - sorry, I usually ignore that forum as at the end of the day, buying a machine is a very personal thing and one man's goose is another man's gander and it is not up to me to pick a machine for you without knowing what you want to do with it. Re your point about SSDs, of the machines you list, the Macbook Pro and Envy can have their drives replaced with hybrids (Seagate Momentus XT). These are not as good as the Vaio T as I think it has the SSD on the mobo and the HDD as an HDD, rather than as part of the drive itself. The Air has a custom SSD but I think it is expandable if you want to expend a little effort, and I think several of the Ultrabooks are like that too. You'll find that many manufacturers are jumping on the Apple idea of making their Ultrabooks appliances rather than personal computers, so nothing can be upgraded easily. It fits the idea of huge outlay followed by replacing the entire thing two years later for repeated huge outlay, all hidden behind this huge marketing drive around this pointless little name "Ultrabook" to drive users to waste stupid money. -
lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!
Just a passing observation: from what I've read, the Quality of the T is it's chassis, keyboard deck and keyboard. Sounds like it's built, ur, er, I dont believe I'm saying this but: like a Mac!
I don't find the Z1 or Z2 to be durably built. They scratch and even dent when you look at them funny. I've had decent fall survival rates but that's mostly due to their light weights rather than strong chassis. Thus from what I'm hearing, the T turns out to be more solidly built, but some corners had to be cut.
It does seem that they may have cheaped out with the components inside, including fan. If the BIOS becomes hackable, there may be a way to get it to stay off most of the time, since you reported very low temps while the loud fan was on high? (BTW, when you did your sound test on your T, did it vary or was it either on/or off?)
But yes, return that and get your money back and keep shopping. There's going to be many new ultrabooks each month for the rest of the summer. -
I tryed two T13 yesterday. One was very silent and the other was blowing cold air out like a jet
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lovelaptops - hang your head in shame!! But truthfully, Macs are well built, up to the standard of the Thinkpads of yore. I have a problem with the company, the software and walled garden, and the price, but the hardware is quality.
As you say, to get the "Ultrabook" down to the price they did, they would have had to cheap out bits, and Sony have always had problems with fans - the SZ series had to wait till the SZ6 to get a silent fan design, though the whole heat management system of the machine wasn't very good. I remember when they announced the T13 thinking about why I'd get it over the S, and not coming up with any good reasons for it then wondering how they got the price down so much and deciding to stay away from it. -
I've been testing the Vaio T for 2 weeks in order to write our full written review on MobileTechReview, and yes this is an oddly loud Ultrabook (I even noted that in our video review when I had only a few days to test it). I've been running thermal monitoring software and the CPU temps are indeed very cool (20s-30s C) but the integrated GPU seems to run considerably warmer (mid-40s with light work). Whenever the integrated GPU goes much past 42C the fan kicks in audibly. Now, that's probably overkill since 45F isn't terribly hot and I'm guessing Sony *might* scale back the aggressive fan behavior. But that's just a guess.
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They should sell them in India - it is 44 deg C here (in the shade). What with the ceiling fans and the airconditioners, the ambient noise level is such that the noise of the fan would not be noticeable.
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Hello Cromer,
I am consider various options to buy a sony s or E series.
Hows the Performance of T series? I see it has got a loud fan. Is this laptop back lit keyboard? How is the clickpad? I see that sony hase moved to remove the left and right buttons? Hows the clickpad? do u experience faulty movements in mouse pointer ? how comfortable is it to click the scroll bar and hold left button and move the document page
Has any one got any idea about the new E series with ivy bridge processors? How good are they ? the new S series ( SVSXXXX model ) has got the old 1333mhz ram. but the new E series have been upgrade to the 16000mhz ram. sad -
lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!
But I have a question: everyone speaks of the T being so low priced. I'm too lazy apparently to check it out on the Sony site, but I thought the cheap version has an IB Core i3 ULV and a small SSD cache and std HDD. That's the machine I thought was to sell for $799. Even at $699 I can't see how it would be a bargain. You can either buy 1st gen. ultrabooks or something like the HP Folio 13 and get so much more machine for the money - and I hear the fan noise is quite acceptable.
I'm surprised the gpu even gets into the 40s, given that the cpu is ULV and the HD 4000 is known to be very low temp even with standard voltage cpus - or am I thinking of nVidia Keplers??
On a separate but related note: you remain the only person - professional reviewer or lowly NBR consumer who has seen and weighed-in on the super-duper-premium display in the new SVS13 model. I think it was on an NBR forum - can't find anything on your web site - that you mentioned the color saturation was pretty good on the new S. That sent off a flurry of questions and speculations: is it a new screen or just the crappy no-contrast 900p of last year's s? Is it the 900p from the Z, now that it only comes in FHD? Will my stock portfolio go up enough in the next 3 months so I can buy EVERY new device coming on the market???? (Here's a deal: I'll go halves on buying them if you'll review them and then either buy my half out if you want it or let me buy your half out.I imagine you're so big league now you get your review units on loan, gratis. Just having fun.
Oh, but the questions about the new S: is it a different screen than last year's? What caliber is it? Also, speaking of fans, is it the same horrible screaming whining fan of the 2011 S or has that been improved - maybe to the one used in the T, lol. From the sound of it (no pun!), the T's fan would be an improvement.
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lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!
EDIT: On second thought....
FS: One NBR Account. Over 2,300 posts, 15 reps (should've been more, but people just don't understand the virtues of 10,000 word posts discussing the relative merits of the Z1 vs. Z2. Only been censured 3 times, never banned (well, was banned once, but it was rescinded in 24 hours.) If you take on this account, you will find about 5% of people will respect you highly for your high degree of knowledge and willingness to spend hours explaining how to get a computer out of its original packing, etc. The other 95%, not so much.
Best offer. Will trade for Anandtech account with similar credentials.
Offer null and void if I buy the Sony SVZ, which is looking more and more likely. I don't care if "the other" gives more value for the money. I can't do it, I just can't do it!!! I repent! -
And don't forget the Vaio S, lovelaptops. To answer your question: I've eyeballed the last gen 900p and new S 13" 900p display side by side and the new model is better. Matte display, better blacks. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's as good the Z2 display but it's certainly a marked improvement over the last gen 13.3" Vaio S.
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lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!
Thanks Lisa. I have to say, once you've had a Z as your daily driver, it's hard to work on a lesser screen. I actually prefer the 900p screen that is no longer offered on the Z. It had nearly as good color coverage (like 65% Adobe, over 100% sRGB) and was a good bit brighter (280 nit vs. 230) and had much deeper blacks, for a 1000+ contrast ratio. Regardless of which Z screen you used, that S would have to be more than a little better than it's older brother's to make the switch attractive. That said, thanks so much for clarifying that; you won't believe how many Sony fans will be, well, thinking twice about the S vs. Z conundrum.
Thanks too for that wonderful Sony Z vs. Apple Retina "Smackdown." You made the decision so much easier for me (I don't game or model) and saved me the shame, the shame, of knowing that someone approaching me would first see that obnoxious glowing apple! -
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I'm sure we'll review the new Vaio S (likely 13"), but I'm not sure when. Right now products are coming out 5 at a time and we have a lot to cover! The tech industry forgot about pacing in 2012 and was asleep until June it seems
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Appreciate if some one could tell me
1. Is the fan kicking a lot of times ? (compared to vpcsa / sb)
2. IS the laptop hot/warm/lukewarm near the right hand side ( where HDD is )?
3. Howz the new clickpad? I am seeing that they have removed the left and right buttons and integrated them into one single large clickpad.
4. How easy is it to press and hold on the scroll bar and move on the clickpad to scroll through the documents/webpages?
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After re-reading this thread, it appears that Sony have got the temp/fan speed profile wrong. Should get fixed in the next BIOS upgrade, unless the guys here beat them to it with a hacked BIOS.
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Does anyone know if the new Sony Vaio S Premium 13 has an IPS display or is TN?
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I have to say, Sony is getting more clever about marketing. Making it hard to decide which Sony but hard not to give serious consideration to the S13, S15 or Z. -
Regarding the screen chat, I still find little that beats the old XBRITE 10.6" 1280x768 panel on the old TR... the only one comparable I have is on a proper Asus gaming laptop! -
(2) It has no back lit keyboard.
(3) for the keyboard and trackpad, at the first time I had really hard time to get used to them. however, as I keep using it, I find that keyboard was actually very good. but the trackpad is just below average. one thing I hate from the tarckpad is, it is very hard to "drag" by tapping twice. It just don't work. so I'm using buttons whenever I drag & drop. In all, keyboard is fine but the track pad is somewhat bothering.
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Hi!
I had the same problem exactly. I bought it from the store and when I returned it they did not accept the problem and charged me 110$.
So I am really really dissapointed as a SONY customer for a long time.
I think shopping from Amazon or Bestbuy is a better choice for this kind of problems.
Selen
Hi!
I had the same problem exactly. I bought it from the store and when I returned it they did not accept the problem and charged me 110$.
So I am really really dissapointed as a SONY customer for a long time.
I think shopping from Amazon or Bestbuy is a better choice for this kind of problems.
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Same problem.
The fan is too loud even just browsing the internet! -
What do temperatures on coretemp say, don't use speedfan it doesn't work very well especially on my gigabyte motherboard.
If it reports cool temperature I guess Sony is too aggressive on cooling in this case, maybe a bios update may come out soon. -
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If your T has it, then go to Vaio Control center, and power settings -> fan control and set Priority to silent.
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Stay away from new T13 ultrabooks if you don't like loud laptops
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