The Official Haswell/Z Speculation Thread

maybe somebody want to sell vpcz2 or svz? it's so hard to find anything even used

thanks !

 

LX3 would be your thing - except no touchscreen, and the screen is only 1600x900. It's meant for business use really.

14.1" that is just slightly bigger dimension wise than the Vaio Pro
Win 7 or Win 8
i7-4600U
mSATA SSD (figured this out from a review - mapped back to a Toshiba mSATA)
Blu-ray OR DVD
up to 16GB of RAM
up to 20h of battery life with the large capacity battery
WiMAX
802.11ac
VGA
HDMI
gigabit ethernet
2 x USB 3.0
1 x USB 2.0
USB charging
SD
Max weight: 1.445kg (with optical drive and large battery), minimum weight 1.255 kg (small battery, no ODD)

 

Absolutely and completely false. Take a look at these links to see the Z2 and Z3 (same display) color and compare to your link above Review Sony Vaio VPC-Z23N9E/B Subnotebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews Review Sony Vaio SV-Z1311Z9EX Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

Zenbook vs sRGB, Zenbook vs aRGB


Vaio Z vs sRGB, Vaio Z vs aRGB


As you can see (it is especially evident if you open up one of each and flip back and forth a few times) it is indeed substantially different. By my very rough estimation I'd almost be willing to say the color space shown by the Z is close to twice as big as that of the Infinity. So, while I appreciate the high contrast it's hard to be excited about such a drastic step back in color reproduction.

For accuracy's sake, it looks like the Infinity's contrast ratio is about three times as high as the Z, rather than the two times that you stated. But even so...

 

My statement did not concern the direct comparison of two palettes for two machines or counitng in tems of a smaller or bigger one. I pointed at the visibly little difference in coverage of the ideal sRGB pattern. In my view, there is only the fact that Z's pattern is wider (about 20%) than sRGb palette and that Zen's one is lesser by 10-15%. Both are not ideal, and +\- 15-20% is not a substantial difference on both sides. So please be accurate in interpreting someone's opinion as "false".

About the accuracy of contrast measurements: I read much more reviews written in 2011-2012. As I remember, notebookjournal.de, for instance, measured it as 1:900 or so for Z21. One more review site claimed it is closer to 1:1000. Sorry, I have neither proof links right now and nor a habit to html-tag each of my statements.

 

If you read the statement I quoted, you included Adobe in the "not that different" category, so yes, you are false ("SVZ is by no means substantially better in terms sRGB/Adobe").

If you think there is a "visibly little difference in coverage of the ideal sRGB pattern" you must not be looking at the same images I am. Actually, being wider is much, much better even than fitting perfectly, as it is extremely simple to calibrate it to only fill the space. Yes, if you weren't going to calibrate it and wanted to look directly at the entire range, they both miss the mark with respect to sRGB (although in this case the Z would actually be very close to Adobe instead). However, if you weren't planning to calibrate you also probably don't care about color, so the point is moot. Thus, wider is always better as it can just be adjusted narrower. If you are narrower no amount of calibration can bring out the colors that it cannot physically produce. Not everyone needs extremely good color accuracy on their laptop (and, truthfully, I don't need it, but I'll miss it). In fact, most people don't need this which is why most manufacturers don't bother (as they figure no one will notice). Most laptops with good screens (i.e. comparable to the Z) are 15 and 17 inch workstation-class devices which weigh 6-10 pounds; this is why the Z screen was so incredible on an ultraportable.

Anyways, it's impossible to get such great (96%) coverage of Adobe without being significantly wider than sRGB... this is where calibration comes in so handy, depending on your application and which space you are targeting you can do either. The Zenbook looks like it maybe covers 50% of Adobe, so that's pretty much useless if you need that (and, again, most do not, especially on their laptop). I'm not trying to get in an argument here, but it is clear that, objectively, the Zenbook display is simply capable of a much narrower range of colors than the Z is, as it covers significantly less of both the sRGB and Adobe RGB color spaces. Again, if you want to talk about strictly matching it, okay, the Z doesn't strictly match sRGB, but being bigger is easily calibrated away while there is no fix for being narrower, as the Zenbook is.

I wasn't trying to say you were wrong about contrast, but since the 1:2000 number for the Zenbook came from NotebookCheck, I thought we should compare that to NotebookCheck numbers for the Z (check the links in my previous post, they have it around 1:650). I'm sure not every site has identical methodologies so comparing between sites could potentially introduce errors. It was more for anyone else reading who was interested in the comparison than trying to start yet another argument.

 

^ Yeah, methodologies are different. That's why I quoted 1:1000 (notebookjournal says it is 863, 3dnews.ru says it is 450, hi-tech.mail.ru claims it is 920, anandtech quotes as 850) as a highest possible rank. Unfortunately, we have only one review on Zen Infinity right now, I have to rely only on it. So there is no direct reference to notebookcheck in the comparison I draw. Morover, I guees 1:2000 measuremet is a bit tricky. Hope to see more reviews coming soon.

As a customer, I did not care about the advantages of "being wider" in very specifical matters, just like in discussing philosophical issues of advantages of the state of "over-supply of something" vs. "insufficiency of something". This very advantage you described might be indeed better for technicians who therefore had to apply less effotrs on calibrating something. It is probably great for photo professionals to have an emulation of Adobe RGB palette (indeed, the amazing one) on their LCD panel. For me, more crucial is that the black color is black and the white is white, that there is enough lux/nit for doing some work outdoors. Zen's specs are overwhelming for me, given the magic "IPS" word (that means I would not have that crazy colour inversion after changing the angle of viewing I saw each time on Z21). About more specific things: both cases (Z and Zen) will require proper calibrating wish I were a bit more advanced customer.

The world of integral equations and the world of approximations in customer's mind did not contradict each other. They coexist. Being cautious when saying that something is false or true in public space is sine qua non. As it depends "for whom is".

 

almost, just minus the gpu, resolution and touchscreen

edit:
well I am not a graphic designer or what,

I am just a programmer, but I can't left that option out. XD

 

IMO GPU is not necessary. I don't play games and it doesn't matter to me. I've never needed more than the Intel stuff even when I had a VGN-Z. I am fine with 1600x900 as well. The only thing I may miss is a bit of touchscreen, but I ran Win 8 for about 18 months without it. I can again.

 

Anybody know the release time frame of Tap 21?

 

Win 8.1 comes out on the 18th, so like everything else around that time or after.

 

I still have hope they'll come out with something
1. As light and as thin as the pro
2. A real RJ45 - perhaps something like this - Pop-Out RJ45 Santa Electronics INC. - YouTube
3. Maybe a 14" screen
4. A better flip screen mechanism than the flip - more like the yoga.
5. Support for two active video outs even if it is 2 hdmi.
6. At least 2 USB 3.0 ports
7. Stop wasting space with that Sony memory stick port.

 

Any news regarding a Z successor? Perhaps at CES 2014?
Beaups?

 

I highly doubt it!

 

I've been configuring my Panasonic CF-LX3 from Japan and outside of a few little things which may bother some, it's much better than the Vaio Pro 13 in many ways. That is subjective of course, but the fact I now have a near silent machine that can have 16GB of memory in an ever so slightly bigger form factor yet close in weight is amazing. I plan on writing something up when I've had more usage under my belt.

 

Fujitsu Lifebook U904/S904 is what you are looking for...