Vaio Flip: the Yoga hinge comes to Sony

Thank you. I thought as much. I noticed some light bleeding from the bottom of the screen in a couple of video reviews as well. I guess there's no reason to expect otherwise until they start putting OLED screens in laptops. Which is high time I suppose.

 

i dont want oled screens since the colors won't be the same after a few years

 

How often do you calibrate your display devices?

Also , there is still research going into OLED screens to make them suffer less and less from the problems that they have now.

 

This may have sense for a PC monitor or a TV set. But for a laptop a few years is its lifetime.

 

I did some testing and noticed extreme gpu frequency drops. According to gpu-z the gpu frequency drops from 1000 to 150 mHz for a millesecond or something while playing games or 4k videos.
Can anyone else confirm this ?

 

I used my flip 13 for 3 days now, and its pretty nice. anyone knows a good program to track the battery usage? at the moment the discharge rate is 7-9mW and i want to know what is causing this. (installed 8.1)
anyone got better discharge rates?

 

Try to disable live tiles, not nessecary processes.
Open cmd (admin) and type: powercfg /energy

 

Okay Clerish, going by your original request here.

- Start from 100%, and use it as you normally would (but please no heavy usage)
- After three hours, take note of the % left
- Shut it down and plug it
- After 1h 10m, turn it on and take note of the % of battery.
- That's it. Post the two percentages.

and going by the setting you also specified here, I started the test at 3:00 PM EST

Did the following throughout the 3 hours.
A: some note taking,
B: checking mail (using Chrome),
C: searches and forum reading (additional Chrome tabs)
D: Don't have CodeBlocks for coding, so I substituted VBA in Excel on a large macro spreadsheet.
E: Open Bluestacks and left Falcon Pro twitter app running.

At 6:00 PM EST, checked the percentage and it states: 1 hour 59 minutes (34%) remaining
At 6:01 PM EST, turned off device and plugged in the charger.

At 7:10 PM EST, turned on device and the percentage shows: 93% remaining

TS out

 

So after owning the 13A for a week I really wish I could say I'm totally happy with it but I'm not. I used it on a flight from Baltimore to Vegas (a little over 5hours) to watch a movie. I had it at 100% before I boarded the plane. I was watched 2 movies and the battery was down to less then 10%. To me that isn't great battery life for a Haswell. Also the fan still bugs me. It can get quite loud when watching a movie. Those are probably my only 2 things from making me love this device. Form factor is great. I switched it to presentation mode on the plane and made watching a movie better then in laptop mode.

 

Wow. First sony says the latest date they sent is the shipping date. A day later I get a mail with my first shipping date (11-16 November).
Now I get a mail saying 16-21 November. That's lame.
The Yoga Pro 2 is finally available in Germany (1300€ / 1600€ but with the screen issue I won't get it.

 

I am having the same issue. The touch screen just cuts out and the only way to get it to come back on is to go into the device manager and disable/enable. The display model at bestbuy did the same thing while i was messing around with it. I just chalked it up to being a display model. They have a serious problem they need to address.

The fan noise is not that bad to be honest. I don't notice it, but then again I haven't really put the cpu to work. Its a really nice form factor but i think this thing is going back to the store if we can't resolve the touch screen problem.

 

Thank you once again for your help.

It seems that the Flip manages to recharge its battery quite fast, and I guess ~93% should be enough for 4:30 hours of light use, maybe lowering the brightness a bit more.

I can't take the Flip 13 out of the list yet then, so to decide I'll have to see its price when it comes to brick and mortar stores (since in the Sony store in Italy it costs more than what I can find the Duo 13 for).

 

I've had the muti flip 13A i5 8GB 256GB version since Sunday. Difficult to make my mind up on it at the present. Form factor is truly brilliant, considering I do lots of short flights will be very useful in these scenarios. Have upgraded to 8.1 and just sorting out the drivers at present.

Main complaint is the fan. Loudness doesn't quite cover it. I am not massively sensitive to noise but it really is ridiculous. For those who want to use it in class, IMO there is no way you wont disturb a 5 meter radius around you. Even with the laptop idling, the fan is on and is LOUD. Also noticed an occasional popping sound when using the left hand side when clicking the trackpad, but the click is still registered and may just it be loosening up so to speak. Have the 4 year free warranty so not so concerned at present.

Sony really need to put out a fan profile update or they will put alot of folk of what is otherwise a great laptop IMO.

 

Hi guys,

I decided to return the 13 inches 128 GB version to get the 256GB version, so I tried to reset it to factory default setting which is window 8 ( right now it is window 8.1) However, it keeps saying missing file and I can't move forward. Any idea how to do this?

Many thanks!

 

I've had exactly the same happen, it's taken so long now that I need to change the delivery address but the number in the email, 0845 6000124 doesn't work. Does anybody know another UK number I could use?

 

Guess I'm lucky as I have the same one I got from BB and it is fine for me, have not heard anybody around me complained about the noise. I usually leave it in standard mode, only changed to silence when in class.

 

Wow. I'm waiting for my 14A for exactly 5 weeks now (ordered at 8th), and will have to wait for at least another one. If it really finally ships with that big of a problem I'm going to be reeeaaally pissed!
Did anyone try a 14A where this problem didn't occure?
Is this hardware or software related?

 

020 7365 2413
That's the number I've been using. The Sony support email is on the account log in page, below the boxes, the number should be there too. It's a London number, not a premium one handily.
I was on the phone to them at lunch time today, if I don't hear any good news on shipping then I'm probably going to cancel on Friday because the delays are now ridiculous after promising that there wouldn't be any more. Handily it's part of our rights as consumers to be able to cancel the order up to 7 days after receiving the order, if it's not been received within 30 days or the agreed time scale after ordering.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

 

Thank you, I've sent them an email for now, hopefully there won't be any issues in changing it, I probably would have cancelled my order already, but there just aren't any alternatives that fit what I want. I've noticed now also that the green text saying production has started has disappeared, I'm a little worried that my half built laptop is sat gathering dust.

Edit: I'm probably being delusional but looking back in this thread suggests that when the green text disappears the laptop is about to be dispatched, so my email could possibly cause some confusion.

 

No problem. I unfortunately put the wrong mobile number in my angry email, so they rang my home phone whilst I was still at work and my mum answered but they didn't leave any message. If they left a voicemail I don't know, all I know is that it was an international number. I just hope they reply back via email now. I still have the green text.
If I have to end up cancelling, it looks like my cousin in the Philippines won't be receiving a laptop this christmas after all.

 

Guys I wanted an information..since this is gonna be my first big order, in terms of money, I wanted to know how the "send back the machine" works, I mean the only thing that concerns me is the fan noise, but I read really different opinions on this so I think I'll give the flip a try. If my machine will be unbearably loud I just have to pack it in the original box and contact Sony using the internet or the phone and just wait for them to get my machine? I will have a full refound? This thing works always? Do I have to know something? Thank you very much and sorry for my ignorance

 

Did anyone do a teardown of the 15a to see if the RAM is upgradeable or not?

 

Hi pclover,

If I recall correctly, with the laptop off -- push the Sony Assist button. That will bring up Sony's own proprietary recovery process as they don't follow Windows standard methods.

 

Hi,
here a comparison by Lisa Gade between Sony Vaio Flip 13 and Sony Vaio Duo 13
Sony Vaio Flip 13 vs Sony Vaio Duo 13 Comparison Smackdown by MobileTechReview



cons of flip: fan noise and battery

What do you say about it?

 

The written companion article is here, for those who are old fashioned like me and enjoy reading

Sony Vaio Flip 13 vs Sony Vaio Duo 13 Comparison Smackdown by MobileTechReview

 

The Duo is not for me, I have no real touchpad and only one display angle

 

Yeah, I tried but it failed, talked with 2 Sony tech support and one guy told me to ship the machine to them for repair and the reason is due to software conflict. Doesn't make any sense to me :-(

 

whoa wait a minute, at time index 9:36 you say that "Sony does sell a third party solution pen clip to hold the pen to the Flip". Where?

 

guys there is a place to comment on the vaio flips issues (ahem, fan noise!!) here The Sony Vaio Flip and its noisy fan - Sony's Community Site on sonys site

if enough of us post maybe they will listen and consider a fix

 

Did anybody tried to hack the BIOS to enter advanced settings ? I know its possible on some Vaio... Might be worse looking into that....

 

I you are someone who has bought a Flip and is experiencing / experienced the loud fan issue - or you are someone who has preordered or is interested in the Flip, but worried about the fan noise, please post on Sony's official forum on one or both of the links provided below. Hopefully, one of the techs / moderators will soon acknowledge the problem. Thanks.

The Sony Vaio Flip and its noisy fan - Page 2 - Sony's Community Site

Sony Vaio Flip 13A Fan Problems - Sony's Community Site

 

I also wrote a direct Email to Sony and a guy from the Sony Vaio departement answered and said that he will forward the mail to the right departement. Lets all do this, at some point they will have to do something

 

I just did the same. I would really like to purchase this device again if there is a fix. Although, if battery life is better on the 14(which some have reported), I may go for that one instead of the 13. It's larger than I want, but it's also $300 cheaper.

 

Just got my 13A silver version, and my first impression of the overall design and feel is WOOOOW. It really looks high end, really nice, and its much thinner than i thought it would be. Looks as thin as Zeenbook. Cant wait to test it out!

 

congrats, pics pics pics

I really wanted the Silver one.

TS

 

I would not be too optimistic about Sony to resolve this fan issue. If the problem could be corrected only with the software update, I am sure they would have done that already. I mean, there would be simple and quick solution.
But I reckon the problem is in hardware/design solutions.
Possible causes:
The design of the processor/motherboard/external "fuselage" flaws in the heat generation and especially in the heat dissipation so the aggressive cooling is necessary to avoid damage of other components or extensive localized temperature of the actual laptop;
Flaw/inappropriate in/out temperature sensors;
Cheap fan control boards with lack of the resistors for finer dosage of fan's rpm;
Design of the fan which generates too much/bad quality noise;
Design of the vents on "the fuselage" what can also contribute to the noise.

In either way, I'm sure they will not recall devices to change the part with the issue.

 

Has anybody tried to disassembly the sony vaio flip 13? Is there a way to change the hard drive?
Thank you!!!!!!!!

 

I received my Vaio Flip 13 today and have posted some (quite lengthy) impressions in the owner's lounge thread here. Hope it will be useful to some.

 

Would love to but i have just flashed some random ROM on my Samsung Galaxy S4 and now the camera wont work, and im far to busy with Flip to care about the phone camera

 

check out my sig it has the link to the tear down and to answer your question, yes it looks easy to replace. Only problem is that that type of drive is expensive.
Also on Sonys website there is a video showing the teardown.

TS

 

Also another way to give sony some motivation to fix the fan problem....

VAIO Fit 13A | Flip PC - VAIO Flip 13 Sony Store - Sony US

Still no review but I'm guessing a few 3 or 2 star reviews will quicken the response in finding a fix.

 

I would say only leave a review if you really own the device and if you think the fan issue really deserves a low score. We're not barbarians.

 

I did some benchmarking and noticed some bizarre results.
With Vaio Settings set to "Performance" and full speed in the energy options i started furmark with gpu-z and hwinfo64 to monitor the results.
After running for some minutes the gpu clock was fluctuating at a enormous rate, meanining that the fps were dropping every few seconds and so on. I added the screenshot here.
Can anyone else confirm this:

 

So the laptop not only has fan noise issues but it also seems to have cooling issues. See this review:

I was really looking forward to this laptop,..

 

As mentioned in the other thread, I don't really hold this review in high regard. They assume the CPU temp is high without measuring it. Lisa from Mobiletechreview did, with surprisingly low temperatures as a result.

 

The fan noise problem has bugged Sony's products for years. Even such expensive as their famous Z-series laptops. So that is not news to them.
What I really cannot understand is why with such beautiful designs of their products they can't just buy those darn fans from the Apple contractors.

 

I've read this before! (GPU speed dropping for a brief moment)
could be in this thread

 

I am so sick of this device, the fan is driving me crazy while in the office and those gpu speed dropps ...
I request a send-back and will hand it in this afternoon.
Looks like Sony didnt learn of their previous issues This makes me so sad, because it would be the perfect device otherwise...

 

How upgradable is the 15A model?
Can both the RAM and SSD be replaced at all?

 

man i was really really thinking about getting the laptop (15") it had everything perfect....
but now.. noisy fan, gpu is ... what gives man
i guess its the xps 15 haswell for me now...
sorry sony... u just suck at the little things...