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    Z13 replacement =)

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony' started by Supermiguel, Jun 3, 2013.

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    uhh.... thanks for the FYI? Well, here's your new forum since you seem lost :p
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    lol :p 10char
     
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    any words on a new sony z?
     
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    There's a 41 page thread right below this one....
     
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    Now we just need Sony to come up with a nicer design with the exact same specs and call it the Vaio Z4. You reading this, Sony?
     
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    Only fault I found was that it has a cheap TN panel.
     
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    Exactly.

    A true Z3 successor would be equipped with a i7-4702HQ just like the Razer Blade, not a ULV as is in the Vaio Pro 13. I can't believe sites like Engadget seriously consider the Vaio Pro 13 a replacement.
     
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    The Pro 13 looks more like a T series replacement. Honestly speaking, the S13A with 256GB is much better than both the Duo 13 and Pro with the exception of the screen of course. Discreet graphics any day.
     
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    yeah, a few things separates the Z from the Pro 13. First the Z has got a full voltage M processor, the Pro uses the i7 U. The Z also has important business related ports, such as VGA & Ethernet, the Pro does not. Finally the Z has both Memory Stick & SD Card slots, allowing you to bump up your memory quite a bit (the quick removal is great for files that should not be seen in the file system, in thumbnail view...lets say in a presentation).

    it would be great to see a Vaio Z3 with a 4950HQ, VGA, Ethernet in a <1kg form factor...cmon sony! I think that the fact that Pro looks just like a updated Z and its made from Carbon Fibre, that it is infact the new Z :(
     
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    I don't see the need for VGA port myself. You can get a USB to VGA adapter if you need to use older equipment. A big drawback on the Z3 is the lack of a displayport. Only HDMI available. I don't know if Sony will be producing a Z replacement anytime soon though. I believe they need a good, solid team of lawyers and major litigation efforts to be able to break the ban on the Z. I belive the Z was taken out of production due to concerns over its advanced security features. (TPM module that was uncrackable with the 'Sony Fast Boot' option enabled. Corrected with later BIOS-updates, but still part of stock. The non-bootable BIOS (also fast boot enabled) for external drives/disks. And a non-Sony issue with the LTE modem that enabled skilled hackers to crack the modem interface (MS Windows, not Sony related. Sierra Wireless and not Sony related) to enable the install of NDIS-filters for encryption and firewall interface with the LTE as well as MAC address changing). These security concerns prompted US authorities to basically ban the sales of new Vaio SVZ1311s, botth in the US as well as in Europe, prompting Sony to end the production of the model all-together.

    These concerns however are pretty much all Microsoft and/or Sierra Wireless' "fault", and in no wise the "blame" of Sony. which is why Sony needs a good team of solid and skillful lawyers if they want to reconnect with the security and performance conscious business-segment for laptop-awesomeness.
     
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    In most countries, an uncrackable TPM module would be considered a good thing, and the other issues also have a 1984 stance.

    What? Are you really claiming the NSA killed the Z? Sounds a bit too out there if u ask me. Also, isn't plenty of other devices in danger as well? I mean, Microsoft and Sierra Wireless doesn't sound like a very rare combination.
     
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    Not at all a very rare combination, however the dudes over at the NSA have failed to reproduce the effects, both on a Sony Vaio Z3 as well as on other hardware (w/ Microsoft and Sierra Wireless) What separates Sony Vaio Z3 from the rest though is that it has been verifiable done on a Z3 and they just pushed "the blame" on Sony.
    A crackable TPM module is very much a good thing if you ask me, however the NSA demands access. For the consumer it is not supposed to break, for the NSA on the other hand, everything is supposed to be Sesame! Sesame! Open up!

    Also, the Vaio Z3 uses a prorietary ssd-raid setup, that isn't pin-compatible with the sata standard, and the raid setup is bios-locked and the raid-information is stored on ssd-rom instead of bios-rom, making the whole dual ssd-setup also a quagmire for the NSA...

    And to top it off :) the system-bios password of the vaio z3 isn't crackable...

    The only reason the Sony Vaio Z3 passed the standards test was that it came pre-installed with a trojan software (no, not the standard Windows 7 in question here... though that too has numerous NSA backdoors...) called what was it... some 'games suite'...ahh.. Wild Tangent games... A piece of useless junk that works as a 'secure access point' for police and law-enforcement agencies...
     
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