Z3 "coming soon" says sony rep??

Sure? As far as i know the HD 7670 is much better than the current one..

But i´ll have to check this now.

 

Going by notebookcheck.net, there isn't much of a difference

That is not even, of course, taking into account any possible limitations that it may have in the Z2 set up

 

I think you are confused. I was talking about higher thermal bin meaning higher thermal envelop and higher clock, not the bin you probably meant to say. 3610QM is technically a 3612QM but with higher TDP and cannot run below 35W at 2.1GHz. The Sager NP6110 reviewer also mentioned this. Even at 1.9GHz, the 3610QM cannot run reasonably cool enough. The 3612QM is merely the 3610QM that has been cherry picked to have good TDP but the problem is still there. It will run very close to 35W most of the time, meaning that the laptop will get very hot and the fan will be loud.
Even rated at the same TDP, the core i7 counterpart is always hotter than core i5. TDP is the theoretical thermal output. The CPU should never exceed this thermal output during operation. Otherwise, they will be pushed to higher thermal bin.

 

Sadly no, I just checked this morning and sorely disappointed. Sony could have put something better than that in the PMD and make the Z3 a revolutionary laptop. I guess they are just lazy and wait till Apple whip their with thunderbolt eGPU.

 

QFT!

People often confuse this. Although two CPUs might have the same TDP on paper this does not mean they get both as hot. Thus they do not consume the same amount of energy and do not pump out the same amount of heat.

The SB i5 and i7 both had a TDP of 35W, still the lower end i5 versions get noticably less warm.

 

I think Apple has always pushed the 'everything in one' theme.

They are trying to get rid of the CD playing and move everything onto Cloud so I doubt they would go for any eGPU option because it would just look too clunky.

They want everything to be in the one computer (E.g. iMac and even the original 'Apple computer' was touted to be the first 'all in one')

However, Apple's lost can be Sony's gain and if they had decided to have a more powerful eGPU option they could grab some of Apple's sales.

 

Do you think Sony will go for a better processor like i73720qm soon? 2.1 ghz clockspeed is underwhelming.

 

Considering the size of the Z, I doubt it.

 

Doesn't ivy bridge have a model comparable to i7-2640m (2.8 ghz / 3.50 with tb), which was the sb present in z2?

 

I've managed to reach the Sony Vaio Z Ivy Bridge configuration page on Sony UK shop. It starts at a relatively low ~1100 GBP (including VAT), but upgrading SSD from 128GB to 256GB is a whopping 410 GBP! Another 330 GBP for 512GB. I am a bit worried about the heat and battery life with i7-3612QM, though I don't mind the extra cores.

(I found the configurable model on https://shop.sony.co.uk/shop/VAIO-Laptop-PCs/Z-Series-13-1?CSRT=4757017209291891388)

 

Isn't that Z13 - old model?

 

It's SVZ13, not VPCZ13.

 

I wonder if this new Z can do 16GB; I really like the premium black (there's no silver edge)

 

Its 2.1GHz, 3.1GHz tb, but not bad with all cores running as well (if this is correct):
3100 MHz (1 core)
3000 MHz (2 cores)
2800 MHz (3 or 4 cores)

Source:
Intel Core i7-3612QM Mobile processor (AW8063801130504)

 

One thing to notice: no "ultrabook" manuf (which we KNOW will have Ivy Bridge dual cores) has announced exactly *what* chip is going into their upcomming ultrabooks. I'd guess the dual cores (none of which have been announced, nor launched, yet) are still a ways out, and under NDA.

 

The CPU should be able to handle up to 32GB, according to Intel: Intel® Core? i7-3612QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.10 GHz) rPGA

If we go by the logic of previous CPUs Sony installed (eg. i7 2640M) which supported up to 16GB and Sony offered up to 8GB, we can hope Sony will go for half what CPU can handle this time around as well, which would mean 16GB

I can guess it's going to be a pretty expensive upgrade, though (2 chips of 8GB each).

 

All dual cores and late June availability.

 

beaups, any word on >8GB RAM in this model?

 

Z Serie : VAIO & weitere Computerprodukte : Sony

sony de start selling it now

3612QM
8gb
same battery life
same PMD

 

Inside layout design should be quite the same than the Z2 ?
Does it mean that a Z2 bottom plate would fit on a SVZ13 ?

PS : what does SVZ mean ? Super Vaio Z ?

 

could old z2 owners just upgrade to the new pmd? would it work this way?

 

as it's the Same PMD this should work. But why would you wanna do that?

 

i meant the one with the new gpu

 

@beaups,

Any hints if we're going to see faster CPUs or, at least, 16 GB soon?

This time I am going to wait couple of weeks - because last two times (VPC-Z2 and VPC-Z11) I pre-ordered new Z just to see Sony launching an improved model couple of weeks after launch.

Another question is if the old dock will work with the new Ivy Bridge Z?

 

Have you ever wondered what do VGN and VPC mean? Very Generic Name, perhaps?

 

It has been said that the "new" GPU is the very same GPU, but "rebadged" (usually involves getting stickers saying "AA++" off and replacing them with "AAA++ PRO" stickers).

 

Those prefixes don't matter. I assume VPC meant vaio personal computer and SV means Sony Vaio. At any rate the new model is Z13 - Z is platform moniker and 13 is the screen size.

 

I have not seen any configs >8GB, but could be CTO option. Dunno. Keep in mind these are custom modules, so Sony would need to have these larger and more expensive modules built just for this platform.

Same answer as above re:RAM, and fastest CPU I'm seeing is the 3612QM here. As for dock, not certain, but looks to be the same dock.

 

Translation: SVZ13 = VPC-Z2 + Quad Core IB/4000HD and NOTHING additional? No assurance of >8GB, no better dGPU, no nuthin but a 25% more cpu performance, 40% better IGP performance, doubtfully any improved battery life, same prices, little ado about nuthin.

Say it ain't so, Beaups.

 

All the more reason for them to do it. There's no competition and people who buy Zs and really want 16GB are going to be willing to pay a significant premium. So much of the notebook market today is a commodity market with ever-narrowing profit margins, Sony may well as take every chance they get to go for something high margin even though volume will be tiny.

 

Theoretically, that number is probably much higher.

i7 2620 @ 2.7GHz x 2 cores gives 5.4 G cycles/s
i7 3612 @ 2.1GHz x 4 cores gives 8.4 G cycles/s = 56% gain

Turbo:
i7 2620 @ 3.2GHz x 2 cores gives 6.4 G cycles/s
i7 3612 @ 2.8GHz x 4 cores gives 11.2 G cycles/s = 75% gain

These numbers should be valid for CPU intensive tasks, but if memory or other slower subsystems become bottlenecks, the gain will of course be lower. Not sure where you found that 25% but I guess it's some average from a bunch of benchmarks?

Personally, I hope compiling will gain quite a bit more than 25%. Also, running my CPU-intensive and multi-threaded system will probably gain even more.

 

You forgot Amdhal's law ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl's_law ) and that many tasks aren't parallelized even close to optimal.
On the other hand those figures doesn't account for the IPC increase in Ivy Bridge.

[My current have a dual-core Sandy Bridge as that gives the most performance/power for the tasks _I_ do. YMMV]

 

Nope, didn't forget. I know that the tasks I mentioned are very well parallelized, and that the current bottleneck is the CPU.

Mr MM here claimed IB used the exact same architecture as SB so there shouldn't be much of a difference. But I see there are some improvements there too, ~5%. Thanks for the heads up.

 

I hate the idea of PMD! Just want something like Z13 series! (All-in-one solution with optical drive and discrete GPU!) Any suggestions? I don't care if it is not Vaio!

 

I think the sony SA series or mac book pro are most "like" the Z13.

 

Meh who needs an optical drive anymore. That's one thing from the Z13 that I don't miss.

 

Actually, the new Z's IGP will be about the equal of the d-GPU in the Z13. Shame to have to shell out for the [mandatory in US] PMD, or this would be a $1,700 powerhouse super-light notebook with still best in class screen - though not for much longer - and the fastest SSDs in any production laptop. For us DVD users (glad to hear there is at least one other!), say goodbye to that option on more and more thin/light notebooks and Ultrabooks.

Count on Sony to keep the mediocre screen in the SA to differentiate from the Z. Kinda scary to think of the new MBP coming out in June: probably will have "Retina" screen and lose several lbs with more MB Air-like dimensions. It will still be an Apple product, though .

You and 105% of all people who post on this thread, even though at least 33% in surveys say they still use/want one.

 

You know, I can't get the idea of PMD while Sony could easily produce a layer dock, and leave OD & GPU inside it (even an extra battery!)! It would have looked better and was actually portable! (how can I put a laptop on may lap when it has a PMD sized like an external HDD connected to it?)

It seems new VAIO S13A series will have VAIO Display Premium like Z series but only in 900p! I totally love it if it's true!

 

Is the Z on the sony.co.uk website the new one?

Also, anyone got any info on the difference between premium black and premium carbon colour options?

Is it possible to order 2 PMDs? One for work, one for home. I couldn't figure out how to add a second one to the cart.

Thanks

 

Yes, its the new one.


Re: PMD

VGPPRZ20C (VGPPRZ20C, VGPPRZ20C/B.CEK) : VAIO & computing : Sony


This is the non-blu ray one (though I'm sure you could find it on there somewhere) and secondly, this seems to be the one that came with the original VPC-Z2 (i.e. not the new IvyBridge release), so you might want to ask Sony if this is the same PMD that comes with the new release (maybe different GPU, etc)

Better off calling them tomorrow for clarification, etc.

 

What are the suppose specs for this laptop?

 

I know the processor is a i7-3612QM 2.1 GHz-3.1GHz Quadcore. I'm not sure about the graphics card in the PMD. Is that the same?

 

Here is the svz13 in glossy premium black

 

^
Thanks for the pics!
Wow....the glossy premium carbon looks awesome...brings back memories of my VPCZ138GG...

 

Oooh, i want it.

 

Is it still a fingerprint magnet?

 

^
Most probably...but looks awesome when clean

 

Wow, I wonder what they are gonna charge for that. Clearly looks limited print. I dont think we're gonna see a lid choice for it This is not the premium black is it? I still wonder what premium black is.

 

There are more photos here:

The ultimate temptation to the Sony VAIO Z13 re-challenge peak - Notebook

My wishlist:

1) Sell a 512GB SSD custom version, Collector's Edition, if necessary
2) Sell it in Singapore
3) Preferably cost as much as the customised version's USA prices

When do these go on sale? I've been holding off buying the new Z to replace my Z115GG only since last March for Ivy Bridge! Arrghghhghghh hurry up Sony! The Singaporean distributors are hopeless!

 

So i think this new PMD should also work with the european z21 series from 2011? Maybe the better gpu is worth a try